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@NHK Listener There's different links on that page. Exactly where should I be looking?
by Pedro Jesus 4/9/2011 2:34:10 AM

@Scilla Yeah into the area between 3 and 4.. Moved by a bulldozer(tank)... i140.photobucket.com
by NHK Listener via I140.photobucket 4/9/2011 2:34:12 AM

@Scilla There have been reports outside the NYT of them bulldozing over rods in the dirt by #4 and today #2. So unsure where the info is coming from, assumed they were official reports. Should be posts from about 6 hours ago about it.
by Nancy 4/9/2011 2:34:23 AM

@NHK Listener "... the operator of the Fukushima Daiichi plant, says that while the pools remain exposed at the most-damaged reactors, the fuel remains safely inside." Clearly their idea of safely differs from my idea of safely.
by pj 4/9/2011 2:34:25 AM

@Pedro Jesus rst assessment
by NHK Listener 4/9/2011 2:34:36 AM

@leth check markfm.dynalias.org
by Markfm 4/9/2011 2:39:17 AM

@pj It will be more than 10 years before it will be safe. I wonder when the media will lose all interest and then just a monthly blurb will start happening.
by NHK Listener 4/9/2011 2:39:19 AM

@Nancy. Yes, I read about the rods. This situation is unbelievable. I really have fears - so many places that could spin Out of control.
by Scilla 4/9/2011 2:39:49 AM

@NHK Listener - What about the SFP rods are they safe and cozy too?. Thats the deception. Lie without really fibbing.
by Lethbridgean 4/9/2011 2:40:46 AM

www.microsimtech.com interesting date here..
by dean 4/9/2011 2:42:47 AM

@NHK Listener When through the pdf you referred to. Possible spent fuel rods scattered are speculative based on radiation emissions. None have been found/seen outside the SFP yet.
by Pedro Jesus 4/9/2011 2:43:00 AM

@NHK Listener START to lose interest? You can barely find a thing on CNN, and our local news doesn't so much as mention the situation. If it weren't for the internet, you wouldn't know anything was amiss. FWIW, the EPA web site is showing interesting numbers for some things in the US lately: www.epa.gov
by pj 4/9/2011 2:43:05 AM

put a /fukushima.html after that
by dean 4/9/2011 2:43:25 AM

by wtm 4/9/2011 2:43:38 AM

Power companies in Japan pressured to update back up plans www3.nhk.or.jp
by Nancy 4/9/2011 2:44:11 AM

The debris is headed here. 500 miles of it. It is so sad. abcnews.go.com
by Scilla 4/9/2011 2:44:31 AM

@pj, what specifically did you see on the EPA data? air, water etc? any region specifically?
by Nancy 4/9/2011 2:45:15 AM

@Pedro Jesus Yeah no absolute confirmed reports from tepco about spent fuel found outside sfp.. So it is Speculative/ Assumptive
by NHK Listener 4/9/2011 2:46:01 AM

@Pedro Jesus The report I printed out says on the top "Official Use Only", So I'd guess it's an official report from the Reactor Safety Team. And it's an assessment by those who are tasked with that. Unless you put your hands into the 'wounds' of the reactor, nothing can be verified. Can't just stand around 'til that happens! :=)
by marie rich 4/9/2011 2:47:45 AM

@Nancy Well, the milk numbers from a couple days ago (western US) were interesting, given that the I-131 levels in milk exceed the allowable levels in drinking water, never mind the Cd-. I'm not sure that's good. Also, I-131 and Cs-137 in one sample (wonder if it might be a typo). www.nuc.berkeley.edu also lists milk samples - note that those are in bequerel per liter instead of pCi/l. Makes the Berkeley data all that much more horrifying, IMO.
by pj 4/9/2011 2:51:16 AM

@marie rich OK, but they say there's SF particulates scattered around? What are they talking about? Pieces of spent fuel rods or radioactive dust scattered after the explosions? There's a huge difference between having chunks of spent fuel rods lying around or dust particulates that have been spread via the explosions in the SFP, that tore down the three buildings, and have been deposited in the debris around the plant. We already know from TEPCO that there is radioactive debris inside the plant but we haven't seen any chunks of spent fuel rods outside the buildings. Scientific reports should be a little more, well, scientific than that. And mind they are using the conditional from the first line to the last on those reports...
by Pedro Jesus 4/9/2011 2:55:30 AM

@wtm Yes, it takes time to open because it's long. I spent sometime reading it but I only came down to page 41.
by Pedro Jesus 4/9/2011 2:56:34 AM

@Nancy , on
by Peter Melzer 4/9/2011 2:56:36 AM

@Pedro Jesus - How about fuel pellets, would that be better than dust or whole rods?
by Lethbridgean 4/9/2011 2:57:17 AM

@Nancy I see best-by dates through 4/16. The data isn't real new...
by pj 4/9/2011 2:57:28 AM

@wtm But there are some inconsistencies in that document so don't take everything for granted. There's some mistakes in there.
by Pedro Jesus 4/9/2011 2:58:11 AM

@pj I-131 has a half-life of 8 days. If the source is emitting it at a constant rate, the amount of I-131 in the air will reach equilibrium. If it is increasing, that means the emissions from the source is increasing. Also note cesium-137 is starting to be mentioned, which has a much longer half-life, and accumulates and bioaccumulates.
by Bobby1 4/9/2011 2:58:22 AM

@pj they do show a consistently increasing amount. Will be interesting to see if it goes down to match supposed lowering radioactive releases.
by Nancy 4/9/2011 2:58:24 AM

@Peter Melzer on?
by Nancy 4/9/2011 2:58:54 AM

Some new photos from METI www.meti.go.jp
by gabe 4/9/2011 2:59:31 AM

@Lethbridgean They use the word particulates... no pellets, no rods, nothing that can actually be seen or proven. I don't regard speculative documents as very reliable.
by Pedro Jesus 4/9/2011 2:59:31 AM

@Bobby1 Cesium is the one I have been watching EPA readings about. Those become a long term problem. We started work on some data collection of radiation readings.
by Nancy 4/9/2011 3:00:01 AM

@Nancy , once upon the time a commercial grade thorium reactor was working in Germany. Here is the link: de.wikipedia.org . The text is German. Translation is available.
by Peter Melzer 4/9/2011 3:00:44 AM

@Pedro Jesus - I don't regard the official information as very reliable. Never have.
by Lethbridgean 4/9/2011 3:01:25 AM

METI reactor data as of 4/9 0600 www.meti.go.jp
by gabe 4/9/2011 3:01:37 AM

@Pedro Jesus That is what the NYtimes is quoting as fact though.. sad
by NHK Listener 4/9/2011 3:01:57 AM

@Nancy It won't take long for Cs-137 to become a major issue. In spite of the silence of the media.
by Bobby1 4/9/2011 3:02:27 AM

TEPCO begins building steel wall, fence to prevent sea contamination The operator of a crippled Fukushima nuclear power station started Saturday to install a steel wall and fence to prevent more water containing radioactive substances from seeping into the Pacific Ocean.

Tokyo Electric Power Co. plans to plug a seawater intake connected to the No. 2 reactor of the Fukushima Daiichi complex with seven steel sheets and a 120-meter-wide curtain-like fence near the intake and two other locations nearby. english.kyodonews.jp
by NHK Listener 4/9/2011 3:03:44 AM

More reactor data in the format we are all used to in the translations: www.meti.go.jp
by gabe 4/9/2011 3:04:00 AM

"Fuel particulaes may have been ejected from the pool (based on information of neutron emitters found up to 1 mile from the units, and ver high dose rate material that had to be bulldozed over between Units 3 and 4. It is also possible the material could have come from unit 3)." NRC Report, Official Use Only, Fukushima Assessment, March 26th, 2011
last paragraph page 13
by Cat 4/9/2011 3:14:20 AM

Tepco boss going back to work www.dawn.com
by Nancy 4/9/2011 3:14:25 AM

@Pedro Jesus We're basically dealing with the old acronym "GIGO"...Garbage In, Garbage Out. The media is getting garbage from TEPCO, and that's creating the speculative nature of what they're reporting. The GIGO model can be applied to any story at any time where the facts are either scarce or being concealed.
by James Ward 4/9/2011 3:16:31 AM

4 more concrete pumps
(62 m, 70m)
underway April 4 by
Antonov airlift
From Germany and USA
#
The concrete pump has a maximum
capacity of 120 t/h, is equipped with
an arm of 58 m maximum length and
operated by 12 persons (remotely). That would mean there are 4 new pump trucks on the ground there now.. and would explain the crane looking arm in the tepco cam shots around reactor 3
by NHK Listener 4/9/2011 3:20:59 AM

@James Ward That is not entirely true. The media gets scientific data. The quality of the translation of the scientific lingo to currently understandable language varies but the garbage information originates from wrong analysis and dubious interpretation of raw data. You're blaming the wrong guys.
by Pedro Jesus 4/9/2011 3:24:48 AM

Tepco report; www.tepco.co.jp Small, but consistent rise of Rda @plant complex. Second chart actually targets the west gate (?), and has a tiny, but 1st time I've seen recorded, nuetron count. It's always been shown as ND before
by marie rich 4/9/2011 3:24:53 AM