Japan Earthquake | Page 2231

  • at least here,,,
    by dean 8/24/2011 10:49:11 PM

  • @elainekirk ::HEADDESK:: Let me know if there is a news link for that, will add it to tomorrow's update.
    by lillymunster 8/24/2011 10:50:17 PM

  • North Anna and Surry, Power Stations - License Renewal Application

    Renewed License Issued 03/20/2003.... so WHY DID NRC renew the liscense of a plant over a fault line...
    by dean 8/24/2011 10:50:51 PM

  • @dean wow. Epic failure.
    by lillymunster 8/24/2011 10:52:23 PM

  • dangggggggggggggggggg
    by dean 8/24/2011 10:53:11 PM

  • they showed what a failure would look like in the simulator
    by dean 8/24/2011 10:53:28 PM

  • lights out
    by dean 8/24/2011 10:53:31 PM

  • @lillymunster

    TEPCO predicted 10m tsunami before disaster

    Japan's nuclear regulator says the operator of the Fukushima Daiichi nuclear plant predicted an over 10-meter-high tsunami in 2008, but failed to report its prediction to the government until just before the March 11th disaster.

    A spokesperson for the government's Nuclear and Industrial Safety Agency told reporters on Wednesday that the Tokyo Electric Power Company, or TEPCO, reported the prediction to the agency on March 7th.

    TEPCO says it made the estimation in 2008 when calculating the maximum tsunami height in the event of a very powerful earthquake near the plant.

    The maximum possible wave height originally assumed by TEPCO when it designed the plant was 5.7 meters.

    The agency says it ordered the company to submit a detailed report as quickly as it could and suggested the need to reform the facilities when the company provided the prediction.

    The agency's official in charge of nuclear disasters, Yoshinori Moriyama, says it takes seriously its failure to fully predict the possibility of a major tsunami before the disaster.

    TEPCO says it didn't mean to disclose the assessment since it was a tentative calculation for research purposes based on a simulation.

    Wednesday, August 24, 2011 20:07 +0900 (JST)
    www3.nhk.or.jp


    TEPCO reported possibility of huge tsunami to gov't before March 11

    TOKYO, Aug. 24, Kyodo

    Tokyo Electric Power Co. calculated in 2008 that a tsunami higher than 10 meters could hit its Fukushima Daiichi nuclear power plant but has since taken no countermeasures, officials at the Nuclear Industrial Safety Agency said Wednesday.

    A manager at the utility, known as TEPCO, reported the calculation to the agency verbally on March 7 this year before the magnitude-9.0 earthquake and ensuing tsunami hit the plant on March 11, the officials said.

    The agency instructed TEPCO to adopt countermeasures.
    english.kyodonews.jp
    by Edano 8/24/2011 10:54:28 PM

  • @ lilly.. please try to get that report and if we could only show it on here that would really be nice
    by dean 8/24/2011 10:54:58 PM

  • Dean you must be getting a different broadcast of CBS
    by lillymunster 8/24/2011 10:56:13 PM

  • it's cnn
    by dean 8/24/2011 10:56:36 PM

  • @Cryptococcus I agree with you. The Chinese say "If you diet have all the Colors you are eating well". More colorful ( Variate ) you eat the better. I think is just a opportunist article but as you say, make no damage, and call attention for the Nuclear problem.
    by Majj 8/24/2011 10:57:16 PM

  • www.nrc.gov this is the nureg document for safety evaluation report when anna was given a license renewal.... now.. let me see what it says for seismic word search
    by dean 8/24/2011 10:57:34 PM

  • gah, read it wrong! I will see if they put that on the website later or replay it
    by lillymunster 8/24/2011 10:57:37 PM

  • Seismic II/I considerations..... these are the seismic levels for considerations at anna
    by dean 8/24/2011 10:58:58 PM

  • @lillymunster edano has given some English links I have Japanese mainichi.jp and t.co the difference between English and Japanese is the communications Japanese reports say nisa's response to the info was to say virtually 'hide it'
    by elainekirk 8/24/2011 11:00:22 PM

  • dinner time
    by dean 8/24/2011 11:03:21 PM

  • by Majj 8/24/2011 11:07:30 PM

  • @Majj I wonder if that is why the crane has been there the past few days
    by elainekirk 8/24/2011 11:20:20 PM

  • @elainekirk @Majj One article says the "more efficient cooling system" will allow them to generate less radioactive water. But the paragraph below says they will be using both systems. Maybe using both will allow them to use less water, but I am skeptical. Plus, we used to hear just how much water was used every day, and where they were putting it. Now we just hear vague numbers, with partial information. I remember before that they were generating more than they could decontaminate, and generating more than they had room for. I wonder where the unstorable water is going now? Into the ocean?
    by ariadne 8/24/2011 11:47:33 PM

  • @ariadne There were further details about the new CS Line for Unit 3 in a document TEPCO released yesterday, including a graph on page 4 showing how the water flow levels would initially increase and would then level out: www.tepco.co.jp
    by es 8/24/2011 11:52:46 PM

  • @es Thanks es, do you have any info on the amount of water and where they are putting it?
    by ariadne 8/24/2011 11:54:34 PM

  • @ lilly.. I don't see where they even mention anything about a plant being on or near a fault line for the safety evaluation report for reliscensing... all they say is that what needs to be built to seismic I or II requirements is done to meet the INTENT of the requirement
    by dean 8/24/2011 11:58:21 PM

  • @ariadne I find it incomprehensible they are saying the new method will be more effective, we are 5 months doen the line and all it says to me is that they waited , using an inefficient cooling system, so the only conclusion is that they expected it to start cooling and it didnt and it has now melted and being mox the melt hasnt slowed and is no longer accessible so they are going to try using the original core sprayers in the hope the water will follow the path of the fuel and control the melt but thats just me as a non techi
    by elainekirk 8/24/2011 11:59:26 PM

  • @dean Wow. The NRC has some explaining to do.
    by lillymunster 8/25/2011 12:00:38 AM

  • Do you have a link for what your looking at?
    by lillymunster 8/25/2011 12:00:48 AM

  • @dean they won't have expected this to come out at this time and by this means - there needs to be a lot of publicity giving people enough information to base questions on we cant let them bury this
    by elainekirk 8/25/2011 12:01:28 AM

  • www.nrc.gov this is the nureg document for safety evaluation report when anna was given a license renewal.... now.. let me see what it says for seismic word
    search
    by dean 8/25/2011 12:04:01 AM

  • @dean do you know the nureg number?
    by lillymunster 8/25/2011 12:06:16 AM

  • @elainekirk Oh I have a plan <evil grin> :-)
    by lillymunster 8/25/2011 12:06:48 AM

  • @Panserbjorne9 Sorry I logged out. My recommendation for supplements that protect from radiation is to find a well-trained Doctor of Oriental Medicine or Licensed Acupuncturist. The reason is that every person is unique and that way you get person attention to your specific conditions. I also recommend teas or Traditional Chinese pills because they are inexpensive and have 2,000 years behind them. These remedies would strengthen the immune system, not necessarily be radioprotective. Might be the same thing though. Find good clinician in your state/region. Ask around. Good luck.
    by Cryptococcus 8/25/2011 12:07:44 AM

  • @lillymunster sounds intriguing :)
    by elainekirk 8/25/2011 12:07:46 AM

  • @ariadne Sorry, I haven't seen any readings lately though I've noted they have been making broad efforts to reduce the amount they waste flooding around the cores, including with their latest CS line attempt. I agree everything must be even fuller with waste water than it was a few weeks ago, or it's magically disappearing into the ocean and the atmosphere :(
    And more rain is due :(
    by es 8/25/2011 12:08:10 AM

  • www.nrc.gov @ lilly this is the nureg document
    by dean 8/25/2011 12:11:54 AM

  • Thanks Dean!
    by lillymunster 8/25/2011 12:12:31 AM

  • @lillymunster @ariadne Here is where the water is going :-(((( .....Biological samples taken from waters in the Western Pacific region east of Fukushima, Japan show excessive radiation levels, said a statement from China's State Oceanic Administration on Wednesday. According to the statement, the levels of strontium-90, a radioactive isotope of strontium, found in squids are 29 times higher than the average background level of samples taken from China's coastal waters..... english.cri.cn
    by Majj 8/25/2011 12:16:24 AM

  • lilly.. so word search for SEISMIC.. and then INTENT... the nuclear field adopted that word... it doesn't meet the requirement but meets the intent of the requirement
    by dean 8/25/2011 12:16:54 AM

  • @elainekirk @ariadne And because Chinese research boats can not go near Japan waters. We have to assume that this radioactive contamination is well offshore.... "Western Pacific region east of Fukushima" is very "VAGUE".......
    by Majj 8/25/2011 12:19:27 AM

  • The top 10
    Here are the 10 nuclear power sites with the highest risk of an earthquake causing core damage, showing their NRC risk estimates based on 2008 and 1989 geological data.
    1. Indian Point 3, Buchanan, N.Y.: 1 in 10,000 chance each year. Old estimate: 1 in 17,241. Increase in risk: 72 percent.
    2. Pilgrim 1, Plymouth, Mass.: 1 in 14,493. Old estimate: 1 in 125,000. Increase in risk: 763 percent.
    3. Limerick 1 and 2, Limerick, Pa.: 1 in 18,868. Old estimate: 1 in 45,455. Increase in risk: 141 percent.
    4. Sequoyah 1 and 2, Soddy-Daisy, Tenn.: 1 in 19,608. Old estimate: 1 in 102,041. Increase in risk: 420 percent.
    5. Beaver Valley 1, Shippingport, Pa.: 1 in 20,833. Old estimate: 1 in 76,923. Increase in risk: 269 percent.
    6. Saint Lucie 1 and 2, Jensen Beach, Fla.: 1 in 21,739. Old estimate: N/A.
    7. North Anna 1 and 2, Louisa, Va.: 1 in 22,727. Old estimate: 1 in 31,250. Increase in risk: 38 percent.

    8. Oconee 1, 2 and 3, Seneca, S.C.: 1 in 23,256. Old estimate: 1 in 100,000. Increase in risk: 330 percent.
    9. Diablo Canyon 1 and 2, Avila Beach, Calif.: 1 in 23,810. Old estimate: N/A.
    10. Three Mile Island, Middletown, Pa.: 1 in 25,000. Old estimate: 1 in 45,455. Increase in risk: 82 percent. www.msnbc.msn.com
    It also list all the other reactors by risk
    by elainekirk 8/25/2011 12:19:56 AM

  • be back.. I need to pack for travel in the morning
    by dean 8/25/2011 12:21:03 AM

  • Given how the NRC makes explicit 'chances' estimates like 1 in 22,727 chance / yr (for Anna), I'd love to see the chance that the Anna unit with only one backup generator yesterday would meltdown. There's no way it was still 1:22,727. It might have dropped as low as 1:200 or lower. Risk isn't static!
    by Ian 8/25/2011 12:28:42 AM

  • @Majj More on that story - Radioactive Strontium in Firefly Squid Off Fukushima Coast, Says China: ex-skf.blogspot.com
    "On August 15, China's State Oceanic Administration announced that the evidence their survey ship had collected off the coast of Fukushima indicated a much wider contamination of the Pacific Ocean than the Japanese government had admitted so far. If the firefly squid was caught in this survey, they are talking about the Pacific Ocean 800 kilometers east of the Fukushima coast."
    by es 8/25/2011 12:29:36 AM

  • @es I saw tepco have been given a new area to test but still near the plant is anyone testing the water further out, I find it frightening that nobody is qualifying tepcos readings they do all the evac zone too
    by elainekirk 8/25/2011 12:32:10 AM

  • @elainekirk But they're the experts now :(
    by es 8/25/2011 12:33:54 AM

  • Scroll down to see the best model I've seen of the atmospheric dispersion of radionuclides from the Fukushima-Daichii nuclear power plant : cerea.enpc.fr
    by Ian 8/25/2011 12:38:01 AM

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