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  • @lillymunster the question is what motives have some emerging countries. i suspect that the capability of weapons is a bigger tentation than the not-so-cheap-as-claimed nuke power. the construction of a nuke plant is a high hurdle, a task for generations and a money grave, as we can see in brazil. all the efforts just for power generation ?
    by Edano 9/6/2011 4:15:02 PM

  • @Edano I think there is a status factor also. The impression that having a nuclear power plant ranks you up there with other developed countries. The resource poor countries seem more pressured to do so as an answer to development
    by lillymunster 9/6/2011 4:21:14 PM

  • just imagine a war in one of the nuke countries. madness.
    by Edano 9/6/2011 4:24:39 PM

  • @ Hi all . Here Kan speaks out about his thoughts and fears after Fukushima.
    "I thought nuclear plants were safe as they were supported by Japan's technology. But I changed my mind after the experience of the March 11 disaster," Kan said.
    Wonder why they didn’t exceed the evacuationzone to 80km like US and others would? Answer is here:
    "Japan wouldn't stand as a country if the uninhabitable zone (around the crippled Fukushima plant) had to spread out to 100 or 200 kilometres.
    Kan, the best thing you can do now, is to continue to speak out about this – to the people, to the politicians and to the world.
    www.theaustralian.com.au
    by Mona 9/6/2011 4:46:59 PM

  • @Mona I remember someone saying that Fukushima City is rather large and they didn't want to evacuate it due to size.
    by lillymunster 9/6/2011 4:48:14 PM

  • @edano, @lilly, I am on the road, taking a break, and somehow cannot log in my usual way. I saw Kan's interview you posted earlier. Interestingly, according to the NHK documentary, tepco denies that they ever harbored plans to abandon the plants completely. According to them, the superintendent suggested to all subcontractors and non-essentials to go home, after it became obvious that the operators were not in control of events and might be unable to prevent further explosions. Tepco claims that there was no question that the control room crew (the famous fifty) would leave as well. Tepco stated that the government misinterpreted this development.
    by Peter 9/6/2011 4:53:54 PM

  • @Peter interesting. I wonder if the accident review expert would uncover some of that, what really happened?
    by lillymunster 9/6/2011 4:55:10 PM

  • @Peter i remember pretty well that they abandoned the control rooms.
    by Edano 9/6/2011 4:55:44 PM

  • Why Did Control Rods Drop? – Mysteries increase at North Anna Dominion: North Anna Reactors Won't Restart Until Safety Assured , Dominion Virginia Power said Friday it won't restart the two nuclear reactors at its North Anna Power Station rattled by the Aug. 23 earthquake until the company is convinced it is safe.
    The plant about 11 miles from the central Virginia epicenter of the 5.8-magnitude quake was shut down within seconds of the tremor that shook tens of millions along the East Coast. Officials at the Richmond-based company said the damage was only cosmetic and the plant is safe. Damage ranged from small buckles and cracks in tile floors in one of its technical buildings, to bolts of large metal parts that transfer power from transformers to the electrical grid and into homes. www.whsv.com
    by Majj 9/6/2011 4:56:24 PM

  • Kenzaburo Oe, Nobel Winner Urges Japan To Abandon Nuclear Power Nobel laureate Kenzaburo Oe urged Japan's new prime minister on Tuesday to halt plans to restart nuclear power plants and instead abandon nuclear energy. www.huffingtonpost.com
    by Majj 9/6/2011 5:01:59 PM

  • @Edano , I shall watch the documentary again. Also, there is a distinction between control rooms (every unit has got one of those) and the command and control center in the earthquake-proof building. My understanding is that you can read reactor parameters and control the reactors from this center and the crew withdrew to this location.
    by Peter 9/6/2011 5:02:55 PM

  • @Mona , even in the U.S. the 50-mile radius does not immediately designate an evacuation zone. Read this: "(2) Generally, the plume exposure pathway EPZ for nuclear power plants shall consist of an area about 10 miles (16 km) in radius and the ingestion pathway EPZ shall consist of an area about 50 miles (80 km) in radius. The exact size and configuration of the EPZs surrounding a particular nuclear power reactor shall be determined in relation to local emergency response needs and capabilities as they are affected by such conditions as demography, topography, land characteristics, access routes, and jurisdictional boundaries. The size of the EPZs also may be determined on a case-by-case basis for gas-cooled nuclear reactors and for reactors with an authorized power level less than 250 MW thermal. The plans for the ingestion pathway shall focus on such actions as are appropriate to protect the food ingestion pathway." from here www.nrc.gov .
    by Peter 9/6/2011 5:03:02 PM

  • Hosono promotes radiation reducing technology

    Japan's nuclear crisis minister says the government may develop technology to cut radiation and the volume of waste from the Fukushima nuclear accident.

    Goshi Hosono told reporters on Tuesday that reducing the volume of nuclear waste will be very important in the decontamination process.
    He said there will be no progress in that process unless irradiated soil can be temporarily stored in the contaminated area.
    He said it is not fair to nearby residents to leave such waste for long periods, so a storage facility will have to be created in Fukushima prefecture for the mid-term. www3.nhk.or.jp
    by Majj 9/6/2011 5:03:46 PM

  • @all Day got busy :-( Take Care!
    by smoss 9/6/2011 5:10:15 PM

  • @smoss glad you stopped by. :-)
    by lillymunster 9/6/2011 5:24:59 PM

  • Ft. Calhoun NPP downgraded again. www.omaha.com
    by lillymunster 9/6/2011 5:29:32 PM

  • @Majj , thanks for the North Anna news. We live less than 40 miles from the site and appreciate any info. As more reports come in, though, the story becomes more confusing. I thought loss of off-site power initiated a reactor scram. Also, what happened to the crack in the containment? No mention of that.
    by Peter 9/6/2011 5:31:14 PM

  • @Peter I will keep my eyes on it and bring here any thing I find ;-)
    by Majj 9/6/2011 6:21:51 PM

  • Anyone seen this: youtu.be Conclusion

    The multimodal empirical evidence reviewed above demonstrates that (a) plumes of steam, (b) thermal hotspots, (c) explosive forces and (d) a steam-like mushroom cloud all correspond with vectors whose origins converge around the lid of a large container of boiling water known as the containment vessel. Additionally, instrumental measurements show that pressure within the containment vessel dropped suddenly with the explosion (consistent with an explosion from the containment) and that the day before the explosion, water levels failed to rise in the reactor for a long time despite in-flowing water (consistent with water flowing out of the reactor and pooling in the containment vessel). Finally, given the presence of fire in two of the explosive plumes (Figures 4 and 6), the explosion in the containment probably initiated secondary explosions of hydrogen gas accumulated in both containment-vessel space and the upper-deck space above the containment vessel. iangoddard.com
    by Tenzing 9/6/2011 6:30:49 PM

  • Fukushima Recovery Workers Probably Safe, Scientist Explains www.marketwatch.com
    by Panserbjorne9 9/6/2011 6:51:17 PM

  • 60% Of Tohoku Food Firms Feeling Impact Of Nuclear Disaster: Poll e.nikkei.com
    by Panserbjorne9 9/6/2011 6:51:48 PM

  • www.jma.go.jp

    it was a M 5.2 seismic intensity 2 at the plants www.jma.go.jp

    by Edano via Jma.go.jp 9/6/2011 7:00:10 PM

  • @Edano Did you catch that from the quake notifiers or did something happen?
    by lillymunster 9/6/2011 8:08:01 PM

  • by Cryptococcus 9/6/2011 8:08:44 PM

  • www.yomiuri.co.jp
    Kan: Nuclear crisis 'man-made' / Ex-PM says poor flow of info hindered N-plant accident response
    by lillymunster 9/6/2011 8:11:47 PM

  • From the Yomiuri article "Kan said there also were problems with the flow of information from the plant's operator, Tokyo Electric Power Co.

    The former prime minister said he ended up calling Masao Yoshida, the head of the plant, in a bid to gauge what was actually happening."

    Also this one, not a control room. I think this was the civil command center. Kan revealed that the off-site emergency response center near the plant, though supposed to serve as a front-line command center in the event of a crisis, was vacated soon after the accident.
    by lillymunster 9/6/2011 8:13:06 PM

  • @lillymunster no, nothing happened.
    by Edano 9/6/2011 8:15:59 PM

  • @lillymunster i have quite a good memory and i remember that this center was completely toast after the tsunami. no telefon, no power, no light. nothing. they had to search for maps and checklists among the wet papers.
    by Edano 9/6/2011 8:22:25 PM

  • @Edano IIRC that center was also full of radiation and it didn't have HEPA filters or another way to filter air inside.
    by lillymunster 9/6/2011 8:29:20 PM

  • I found I needed a refresher to remember the fog of crisis, and I remembered the gakuranman.com blog. Unarchived (that is, it starts from the bottom), it's a real-time chronicled blog with time-stamps from within Japan. Photos, links, Japanese documents... great resource then, maybe even a better resource now.
    by RadioGuy 9/6/2011 8:31:55 PM

  • @RadioGuy Ack, how do you read the time stamps?
    by lillymunster 9/6/2011 8:43:08 PM

  • @lillymunster Time is just the 13.48 (for example before the article) and you just have to find where the date starts. It covers the time-frame from March 11 to March 18.
    by RadioGuy 9/6/2011 8:52:11 PM

  • He started blogging with the quake, before the tsunami or Daiichi, so it's a really interesting time capsule of shifting priorities as well as the Japan impact.
    by RadioGuy 9/6/2011 8:53:31 PM

  • (before the post) that is...
    by RadioGuy 9/6/2011 8:54:01 PM

  • He's in Japan, so times JST
    by RadioGuy 9/6/2011 8:54:21 PM

  • I had forgotten what a bang-up job he did. I grabbed the complete pages so only the links go dead if it ever gets taken down.
    by RadioGuy 9/6/2011 9:21:49 PM

  • @RadioGuy added to our library of documents and made a post so this doesn't get lost.
    by lillymunster 9/6/2011 9:26:00 PM

  • @Peter: "Fischer, Schily: Mein 11. September"
    part1 www.youtube.com
    part2 www.youtube.com
    part3 www.youtube.com
    by Edano 9/6/2011 10:15:09 PM

  • Excellent idea! Food coops in Japan are sourcing and testing food themselves. This seems to be the case with smaller coops that are more member focused. ex-skf.blogspot.com
    by lillymunster 9/6/2011 10:16:51 PM

  • High dioxin levels found in disaster-zone rivers

    Levels of dioxin exceeding the safety standards have been found in rivers and groundwater in 3 Japanese prefectures hit by the March 11th disaster.

    The Environment Ministry says it does not think the discovery poses any immediate risk to human health, but it will continue to monitor the toxic chemical.

    The ministry checked the sea, rivers and groundwater for dioxins between May and July at 320 locations in 5 prefectures affected by the disaster. The ministry feared that harmful substances may have leaked from factories damaged by the earthquake and tsunami.

    It found dioxins exceeding the safety standards at 6 locations in rivers in Miyagi, Fukushima and Ibaraki prefectures and in groundwater in Fukushima.

    The high dioxin levels could be harmful if the contaminated water is ingested over a long period of time.

    All measurements at sea locations cleared the safety standards.

    Wednesday, September 07, 2011 05:01 +0900 (JST)
    www3.nhk.or.jp
    by Edano 9/6/2011 10:31:54 PM

  • i can't hear the phrase anymore.
    by Edano 9/6/2011 10:32:58 PM

  • sounds like asterix: we fear nothing but the heaven falling down.
    by Edano 9/6/2011 10:34:57 PM

  • Land to be cleared of radiation for planting rice

    Japan's Agriculture, Forestry and Fisheries Ministry is working towards reducing radiation levels in rice fields near the damaged Fukushima Daiichi nuclear plant.

    The goal is to meet government standards. Experiments have been ongoing since May.

    One method has been to scrape off the contaminated topsoil from dry paddies. Another involves removing the soil after its been stirred in water-filled paddies. Both methods have substantially reduced radiation levels.

    Radioactive cesium per kilogram of soil was reduced from more than 10,000 becquerels down to 2,000 becquerels. These figures fall within the government's guideline of under 5,000 becquerels for rice planting.

    The ministry will use these methods in selected fields in the prefecture. It will request special funds from an extra budget planned for the current fiscal year.

    Wednesday, September 07, 2011 05:01 +0900 (JST)
    www3.nhk.or.jp
    by Edano 9/6/2011 10:36:20 PM

  • @Edano As the people sicken and die over time, which poison will be blamed- dioxin, or radionuclides? Oh, wait a minute- it would be STRESS :=0
    by M.I.A. 9/6/2011 10:37:13 PM

  • @all Stepped in to slightly amend a comment that I made earlier in the day. On offset, my comment appeared to condemn "Big Industry" and their role in nuclear power. Driving home this afternoon, I caught a bit on NPR that put things into perspective and did a better job vocalizing my position than even I could. After Nuclear Mishap, Japan Debates Energy Future
    by Frank Langfitt

    "Japan's powerful nuclear energy industry is betting that the public will forget, and that fear will give way to economic realism." www.npr.org So, this begs the question....how to overcome the economic realism of the situation?
    by smoss 9/6/2011 11:39:46 PM

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