Japan Earthquake

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angela merkel is the biggest lie canchelor in world. she is pro atom
by hans 3/26/2011 8:47:03 PM

@Jojo Maybe less. The fleet is aging and they were built in the "we can do anything" era.
by Jim Carver 3/26/2011 8:47:07 PM

@Janis If you look at Chenobyl, may be as me you will discover how beautiful where the sulptures for windows on ordinary farms.
It was the same in Japan
We have to remember that Fukushima is nothing, really (it could be a n°8 disaster, right) but for now, ,it is nothing, when we look at all who have escaped. Our concerns here, because a few participants really live in japan, are about our security mainly. But we all also have a soul. So we must'nt forgive what the lucky ones, who have escaped, are living now. Fukushima is a real WORLD concern, but 300 000 persons have lost all. and, the worse, about 10 000 persons are in a 30 kms zone, where no one want to enter, and these 10 000 persons don't seem to have a way to get out of that zone.

Places, in the 30 kms, have not been touched by radiation . others have been hurted, and since 10 days now, officials rapports, external reports have localised that zone. Why is it not evacuated ? I don't know. But one day, as in Chernobyl, citizen of japan , and of the world will ask why . I hope it.... Final comment for today, I'm too sad and angry, this will be no more informative or productive. best wishes for Japan's people, we will nevet let you down!...
by Future Isnow 3/26/2011 8:47:08 PM

@Jojo, angry customers in dark homes, rioting due to blackouts...
by WolfDK 3/26/2011 8:47:14 PM

@Jojo I do not believe Nuclear Energy is safe and I don't believe I said that. I do believe that each individual has a responsibility to act on ones beliefs so I'm just asking what are you, what are we willing to do and where are we willing to compromise because compromise is essential when more than one element is involved.
by Tenzing 3/26/2011 8:48:40 PM

@WolfDK So then we'll just keep these dangerous power plants open and hope for the best? See, that's not really a solution. We can't turn the power off now, but we need to look at these nuclear power plants for what they are: clearly unsafe. We need to build alternative sources of power, even coal/natural gas, and turn off nuke plants. Just not ready for prime time.
by Jojo 3/26/2011 8:48:47 PM

@WolfDK That's irony for ya.
by Jim Carver 3/26/2011 8:49:03 PM

@Jim Carver Unfortunately many people lose the corrollary that just because you can doesn't mean you should.
by radioguy 3/26/2011 8:49:23 PM

@Jim Carver Yes. Kind of get the same results either way with nuclear.
by Jojo 3/26/2011 8:49:35 PM

Irony was for Jojo
by Jim Carver 3/26/2011 8:50:54 PM

@Tenzing. Yes nuclear energy is unsafe like others but the differnces is that nuclear energy needs totalitarism control of population (no escape for the 20-30 radius what do you think about it?) and information; Fukoshima vs Chernobyl? Think about Chernobyl without totalistarism control of population and 500,000 liquidators.
by Olivier 3/26/2011 8:51:53 PM

Clearly we can't fully control nuclear power. It's not "Soviet" designs like Chernobyl, Fukushima is a GE-designed plant that are used all over the world. It's clear that accidents happen, they always do. And you always have accidents that are never accounted for, that's just the limitation of how we think. It's also a limitation of design: you never think of all the ways it can fail because if you thought of it you would DESIGN AGAINST IT. Nuclear power is just not ready, perhaps some day.
by Jojo 3/26/2011 8:52:02 PM

@Tenzing : but you all do know that the constellations have shifted over the centuries ??? aries is not aries anymore.
by Matsuoko 3/26/2011 8:52:33 PM

atomkraft will never be good energay
by hans 3/26/2011 8:52:46 PM

@Oliver that is a very interesting point and something I'm going to ponder. I hadn
by Tenzing 3/26/2011 8:53:44 PM

@Matsuoko And the Universe is expanding.
by Jim Carver 3/26/2011 8:53:45 PM

Sorry if this was posted : Researcher warned 2 yrs ago of massive tsunami striking nuke plant english.kyodonews.jp
by Cath 3/26/2011 8:53:51 PM

@Oliver I hadn't thought of that before.
by Tenzing 3/26/2011 8:54:08 PM

Clearly worrying about a nuclear accident in a Western country is no longer in the realm of the "paranoid", it's very very real. I would shut down all nuclear reactors because it's not 100% safe. Even if it's 1 in 10,000,000 chance of catastrophic failure, think of how many nuclear plants * the number of days and you'll see it's just a matter of time before the next Fukushima.
by Jojo 3/26/2011 8:54:43 PM

OK guys, is there any new news since the last few hours? I haven't seen anything new. Is that because it's night in Japan and updates usually come during Japan's daylight hours?
by Sky 3/26/2011 8:55:21 PM

@Jojo, i believe that safe reactors can be made, there are new technologies and fuel types available. Main problems with Fukushima are: placement, reactor age, old tech, single point of failure (diesel fuel tanks), fuel type (MOX, Uranium), maintenance.
by WolfDK 3/26/2011 8:55:38 PM

@Sky it's close to dawn if not dawn now
by Tenzing 3/26/2011 8:56:05 PM

BTW USA has the most nuclear power plants at 104. France has 58 and Japan has 54. www.euronuclear.org
by Jojo 3/26/2011 8:56:26 PM

To me it looks like a news blackout and that would explain reuters pulling the plug.
by elainekirk 3/26/2011 8:56:30 PM

@WolfDK good point.
by Tenzing 3/26/2011 8:56:39 PM

@WolfDK The problem is that at this point nothing can convince me that they are safe. You can show me the plans that they are safe, but I won't believe you. Not that I think you're a liar :), just that I don't think it's possible to think of every contingency.
by Jojo 3/26/2011 8:57:17 PM

Dawn over Fukushima Another day of uncertainty. www.tepco.co.jp
by marie rich 3/26/2011 8:57:18 PM

short info. tschernobyl was online till 2001, i wonder if fukushima will ever go online in the near future.
by hans 3/26/2011 8:57:31 PM

@wolfDK and if there is a solar flare that knocks out the earth's electrical grid? everything still ok?
by Patrick Kelley 3/26/2011 8:57:36 PM

I am not pro nor con nuclear power, but we have to be realistic here, solar power, windmills, geothermal, water power and other CO neutral power sources just wont cut it - yet
by WolfDK 3/26/2011 8:58:49 PM

I personally think that the wheels of progress are flat and we're on the verge of a global economic meltdown where the few people that realize what is actually going on and have prepared for it will survive. The survivors after this period will realize the past mistakes and finally be able to rectify them.
by George Gibb 3/26/2011 8:58:55 PM

@Patrick Kelley Or an EMP attack? Or terrorist attack?
by Jojo 3/26/2011 8:59:08 PM

@George Gibb I hope you are right- about being able to rectify them
by Meretisa 3/26/2011 8:59:24 PM

@Jojo France: 85% of electricity from nuclear, France is 550 000 km2. Nogent-sur-Seine plan reactor is 94 km from Notre-Dame. The most density of nuclear reactor is in France not in the US.
by Olivier 3/26/2011 8:59:35 PM

Wouldn't take much to send us back to the 18th century. Trouble is people have forgotten how to live that way.
by Jim Carver 3/26/2011 8:59:37 PM

@Jojo. Yes and no. Some I have seen have good security. The one in Monticello has chain link fence with a few concrete dividers set in open driveways. No cameras, no security out and about. Someone could make a run for it and make it pretty far onto the complex. They do however have a large space of land around the plant. What has always worried me is the fact the plant is on the head of the Mississippi river. Any major water radiation would float downriver through the center of a bunch of major cities. It is identical to Fukushima design.
by Nancy 3/26/2011 8:59:48 PM

If there's an electromagnetic pulse of that magnitude from the sun or nuke bombs exploding in air- nothing, but nothing will be ok. Airplanes will fall out of the sky, cars built with electronic ugnition won't start, no cells, and worst- no computers.
by marie rich 3/26/2011 8:59:50 PM

@Jim Carver you hit the nail on the head
by George Gibb 3/26/2011 9:00:05 PM

@WolfDK I actually was pro-nuclear before this disaster. I agree that renewables are not ready either, which means coal/natural gas/fossil fuels until we can improve renewables.
by Jojo 3/26/2011 9:00:11 PM

This from Kyodo: A researcher said Saturday he had warned two years ago about the possible risk of a massive tsunami hitting a nuclear power plant in Japan, but Tokyo Electric Power Co., the operator of the Fukushima Daiichi nuclear plant crippled by the March 11 earthquake and ensuing tsunami, had brushed off the warning...

Okamura had warned in 2009 of massive tsunami based on his study since around 2004 of the traces of a major tsunami believed to have swept away about a thousand people in the year 869 after a magnitude 8.3 quake off northeastern Japan.
by radioguy 3/26/2011 9:00:45 PM

@Jim Carver That's exactly what I think too
by Janis 3/26/2011 9:00:46 PM

I think we have no right to use nuclear power until we figure out how to do something a little more energy conscious then boiling water. Seriously, we waste so much energy to run a steam engine.... That right there explains how low tech we really are.
by Patrick Kelley 3/26/2011 9:00:50 PM

@ Jim, not all of us! :-)
Some of us still use some or know pre-industrial technology.
by Nancy 3/26/2011 9:01:03 PM

Anyone else's computers adn phones being "slow" lately?? Do you think they are trying to shut down the nuclear stuff and shift to other stuff in preparation of telling us full story of Japan??
by Meretisa 3/26/2011 9:01:14 PM

@Patrick Kelley, Yes natural water circulation trough the core (no power required), much less residual heat in fuel elements (thorium fuel), the addition of a core catcher
by WolfDK 3/26/2011 9:01:17 PM