Japan Earthquake

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If we could all stay on the subject it would be helpful (and make things much easier to find!
by hudebnik 3/26/2011 7:00:45 PM

news.nationalgeographic.com "Researchers around the world continue to pursue the idea, however. In September 2003 a medical doctor in Japan made headlines with a study that indicated erratic behavior in dogs, such as excessive barking or biting, could be used to forecast quakes. "
by Jojo 3/26/2011 7:01:16 PM

Moving this material is near impossible without affecting the route you take, until the fuel is cooled (years)
by Patrick Kelley 3/26/2011 7:01:19 PM

@George Gibb true. Not intended as a knock against the moderation, just a general statement. @Meretisa no problem! I just don't want this to turn in to the other sites I've seen that are almost totally consumed with that stuff.
by jay77 3/26/2011 7:01:51 PM

Collective relocation of Fukushima residents NHK www3.nhk.or.jp
by Sinthia Domina 3/26/2011 7:01:57 PM

@George Gibb I agree on that too !!! I believe in internet self-control (netiquette) but for All : please, stay in subject : I can't talk to you from my gran mother who have seen a big flash in the sky, this will not help (and she never seen that, lol)
by Future Isnow 3/26/2011 7:02:18 PM

Max@thanks for your report - grim reading, every morning i wake and expect that something really major has happened overnight, fingers crossed not tonight
by fiona 3/26/2011 7:03:22 PM

@Patrick Kelley But haven't the areas already been massively irradiated?
by Jojo 3/26/2011 7:03:29 PM

Or take the nuke material on a cable attached to a helicopter, it would presumably get to the intact nuke plant to the south in minutes. Sorry if this seems ridiculous, I really don't know the masses or feasibility. Just throwing it out there.
by Jojo 3/26/2011 7:04:40 PM

thanks for everything today - i am away out for the first time in 2 years. catch up with all tomorrow.
by fiona 3/26/2011 7:05:46 PM

@Jojo, I don't know where the article is, but the closest facility to decontaminate the water is very far away, the infrastructure is near completely destroyed (roads, bridges, etc) and at the moment better to have all the radiation in one spot rather then possibly irradiating other areas.
by Patrick Kelley 3/26/2011 7:05:48 PM

@jojo Presumably the nearby Daini plant is similarly irradiated by now.
by es 3/26/2011 7:05:48 PM

@Olivier Is there a way to translate the leMonde into English?
by marie rich 3/26/2011 7:06:26 PM

120 Watchers - for those who asked earlier
by George Gibb 3/26/2011 7:06:36 PM

@es It's irradiated but the containment units are intact. They have working cooling pumps and all the reactors are offline. Can't they just add the Dai-ichi nuclear material down to Daini for the time being?
by Jojo 3/26/2011 7:07:11 PM

@Patrick Kelley I'm thinking the best and cheapest material would be ground native rock with a nice cap of bentonite clay. Then you could build Japanese Garden on top. It would be pretty except for those unsightly vent stacks coming out of the ground.
by Jim Carver 3/26/2011 7:07:20 PM

@JoJo we are talking about over 1700 tons of fuel. A helicopter may take maybe 10tons at a time (I think less) and we would have to build something to hold the fuel for the heli's to haul it.
by Patrick Kelley 3/26/2011 7:07:34 PM

For anyone wanting to watch the financial demise of TEPCO, here are the links to the stock charts for you to bookmark. finance.yahoo.com finance.yahoo.com And, on the Japan exchange: www.bloomberg.com
by Karen Warren 3/26/2011 7:07:46 PM

@Patrick Kelley I'm sure there must be military (US and or Japan) helicopters that have the equipment to handle heavy loads like that.
by Jojo 3/26/2011 7:08:17 PM

@ Marie Rich If you use Firefox...which I recommend, you right click on the page, go to page info, then select translate into English.
by Sinthia Domina 3/26/2011 7:08:59 PM

@Karen Warren Ah, but they're too big to fail...LOL
by marie rich 3/26/2011 7:09:12 PM

Just read a Japanese MP openly quote a resident calling the government heartless "kokoro ga nai" over the plight of the fukushima residents it has effectively abandoned. It's really quite unusual for a member of the Diet to be so forthright. blog.mawatari.info
by andyjsha 3/26/2011 7:09:21 PM

for japan nuclear waste disposal, look her: en.wikipedia.org then here en.wikipedia.org it would show you what is possible. Rokkasho is in the north east, so it mean to goes through the desolated tsunami zone
by Future Isnow 3/26/2011 7:09:25 PM

Thanks, Sin
by marie rich 3/26/2011 7:09:35 PM

Marie: The market trades in the future... I'm just sayin'
by Karen Warren 3/26/2011 7:09:52 PM

@All i'm going to go read some more about Scribble and see if I can implement the turn off comments option.. bbl
by George Gibb 3/26/2011 7:10:02 PM

@JoJo somewhat, but they would have to be sealed against radiation and we are talking about probably 200trips.... one mistake and this disater gets so, so much worse. The other problem is the fuel is inaccessible without opening the containment and letting the radiation seep out.
by Patrick Kelley 3/26/2011 7:10:09 PM

people, better forget about moving the fuel. it is simply impossible.
by Matsuoko 3/26/2011 7:10:21 PM

@Marie No it is google...
by Olivier 3/26/2011 7:11:04 PM

@peter melzer: I had the same idea immediately after the problems rose: Why not fly some remote controlled toy-helicopters over the plant.

They cost nearly nothing. If they fail due to radiation: nearly no damage. They can carry cameras and parhaps at least some sensors and are remotely controllable from at least some relatively safe distance from the radiation.

No real need for a US global hawk as we heard days ago. Also only once with no real public results.

Sometimes low tech can also help - if taken into consideration or at least be tested!
by Max 3/26/2011 7:11:06 PM

@Patrick Kelley OK, thanks. I didn't know what the feasibility and quantities were, but thought it might fly given that the containment units /pumps/coolingpools, etc. just a few miles to the south at the other nuclear plant are completely fine.
by Jojo 3/26/2011 7:11:18 PM

@Matsuoko I agree on that, it like moving the highly radioactiv water from the underground to a safe place. And that is Tepco main concern for now, because everything in their plans is stopped for now, because of that water
by Future Isnow 3/26/2011 7:11:51 PM

@Matsuoko I agree from the start, there's too much. It has to stay there.
by Jim Carver 3/26/2011 7:12:08 PM

Look at chenobyl, the core is still sitting right where they left it, and they estimate it will be there for thousands of years. If you come even close to it, you will be dead in seconds
by Patrick Kelley 3/26/2011 7:12:09 PM

@Max : i bet they have done that already. but they will never hand out the data.
by Matsuoko 3/26/2011 7:12:19 PM

@Future Isnow Can they put their tanker in specially designed (lead-lined) tanker trucks? They must have most roads open by now because I see them making road measurements of radioactivity.
by Jojo 3/26/2011 7:12:56 PM

@Jojo, re earthquake alerts by animal behavior: The evidence is purely anecdotal to date. I thought about this, when Haiti was struck last year. Would not it be great, if there was a way to be alerted of an impending quake by a cheap method like a pet in the household? A few seconds may save many lives. I can only imagine for this to work with animals that are more sensitive to the slight vibrations of p-waves, the first ones to arrive, than we are. Read more here: brainmindinst.blogspot.com/2010/01/neuroanatomy-of-earthquake.html
by Peter Melzer 3/26/2011 7:14:18 PM

Chernobyl leaking Fire (neutron beam) was over in 20 days.. (then they spent almost a year to build the sarcophagus)
by Future Isnow 3/26/2011 7:14:22 PM

@JoJo Add to the problem, the weight of the cable you'd need to hang it far below so the radiation doesn't take out pilots or controls.
by radioguy 3/26/2011 7:14:46 PM

And what about the MOX that is supposed to be "too hot to handle". If terrorist can't do it? Sorry
by Jim Carver 3/26/2011 7:14:53 PM

@radioguy True. But I have seen military helicopters carry multiple ton items, you could use x number of cables with 10 helicopters to move everything down south. Maybe just the spent fuel rods??
by Jojo 3/26/2011 7:16:11 PM

in chernobyl they also buit a concrete base by digging holes in the ground.
by Matsuoko 3/26/2011 7:16:24 PM

I'm actually quite surprised we've heard nothing about the GlobalHawk since that first mention. You'd think they'd at least put out some cover chatter to make it seem like they're not hiding it.
by radioguy 3/26/2011 7:16:34 PM