Japan Earthquake

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Reactor 3 on left, reactor 4 on right static.tijd.be . It is possible to see something in the rubble of 3 that is steaming.
by Treiagonaut 3/27/2011 4:44:13 PM

@Janis Moulton lol no, thanks KT39!! (i still had it copied to clipboard)
by Dennis Tucker Jr 3/27/2011 4:44:19 PM

and KT39!
by Janis Moulton 3/27/2011 4:45:01 PM

At the moment, I cannot log on to the EPA's Central Data Exchange website to download U.S. radiation monitoring data. epa.gov Nor do the EPA's public webpages display properly. The HTML is OK, but the image files that should display graphs are not being built by the server and do not render. www.epa.gov I don't necessarily attribute this to any conspiracy or cover-up, but I did want to retrieve that data and study it for myself, and this is the first time I haven't been able to.
by Sky 3/27/2011 4:46:59 PM

Without being able to see the top of #3 (it's either covered or it's gone) it is way too hard to try and speculate how/what is damaged or still intact. The JAIF reports point towards all 3 loaded reactors having nothing to contain pressure with so who really knows but TEPCO at this point.
by Dennis Tucker Jr 3/27/2011 4:47:57 PM

@Treiagonaut, looks like the drywell head in the middle around 1 cm from the left edge of the image..
by WolfDK 3/27/2011 4:48:01 PM

@All - Just in case anyone wants the link to the interview with the contractor that was inside #3 during the quake. www2.canada.com
by Stormy 3/27/2011 4:49:44 PM

@Sky is this similar to what your looking for? www.epa.gov
by Tenzing 3/27/2011 4:49:49 PM

hello all; any updates?
by stef 3/27/2011 4:50:05 PM

Thanks for the EPA link Sky. When clicking ANY monitoring station to get the actual numbers, the result is "To-date, levels recorded at this monitor have been thousands of times below any conservative level of concern." Now doesn't that make you feel better?
by Jojo 3/27/2011 4:50:23 PM

The EPA has a daily summary here www.epcoca.gov . That has a lot more detail: The levels detected are far below levels of concern. The levels detected are far below levels of concern. The levels detected are far below levels of concern. The levels detected are far below levels of concern.
by Jojo edited by George Gibb 3/27/2011 4:50:59 PM

@stef couple stories to read in the pinned section
by George Gibb 3/27/2011 4:51:08 PM

I can't find anything about the report by NHK of 2.9 Billion becquerels per cubic centimeter in the reactor water. I never did know exactly what "water" they were referring. Was that also retracted IDK. I think I'm going to save to my hard drive anything that might be "hot",(no pun implied). This came off an NHK video that was translated, so little tough, but I think the translation was ok because she first said million and then corrected herself to Billion and repeated Billion. Pretty worrisome anyway, they are clowns or crooks, can't tell. Either way, amounts to the same I guess. The one thing they didn't retract was the 1Sv/hr reading (1000mSv/hr)(1000000uSv/hr), for the reactor water and why are they mixing units? Are they trying to make it confusing? I know this stuff and I have to think about it a little. u=mu
by Jim Carver 3/27/2011 4:51:15 PM

"To-date, levels recorded at this monitor have been thousands of times below any conservative level of concern." Isn't that the same answer the Japanese have been saying for EVERYONE?
by Jojo 3/27/2011 4:51:39 PM

before looking at new video, suggest going to www.youtube.com the size of this explosion was immense.... welcome feed back from any experts out there... look at the size of plume (with energy hieght) in relation to the building vs the cooling/exhaust towers (assume thats what they are) to the height of the plume... then pay attention to the size and continuing breakup of the peices falling back down... any one out there with some estimates with the power/energy involved?? most piping systems are not engineered to what looks like a powerful explosion... the top of building looks to be designed to explode vs retain the pressure.... but this explosion was much different that the first.. it seemed to explode outward on #1 not upward.... does not appear othere than containment vessel... much survived... debrie falling backward to ground seems to be more than just roof... to get a good laymans look at the reactor and containment vessel go to (lost address) will post in a few minites.. gives pictures of brownsferry under construction and also a summary to the current events.. again anyone out there that can put "explosion energy and damage" in some context
by fitter 3/27/2011 4:52:51 PM

@Jojo As if we should be trusting a conservative's "level of concern"! Thanks, I'll pass. Real data, please!! [@ the EPA]
by Dennis Tucker Jr 3/27/2011 4:53:58 PM

@Sky You don't find it odd that you can't log in now, AND that no data is available? The site is very fast, it's not like they are getting bombarded with thousands of hits a minute. They are purposely not showing the details. Even in press reports, they don't give any detail. They have been ordered not to, probably from the White House.
by Jojo 3/27/2011 4:55:03 PM

@fitter This was the basis of my previous speculation also. Key word is speculation, though. We can guess all day but without some actual data to show what is supposed to be where and some clearer images all we really can do is wait for independents on the ground to supply some real info.
by Dennis Tucker Jr 3/27/2011 4:56:55 PM

@Dennis Tucker Jr Someone from the press should file a FOIA request. Of course, the press seems to be burying this story as well, or perhaps they are just ignorant. Wouldn't want us children to "panic".
by Jojo 3/27/2011 4:58:04 PM

@Tenzing and others, yes you can click any city on the EPA's map and prior to today, below the "below any conservative level of concern" verbiage would appear two graphs (time series), one for beta and one for gamma. Today the HTML verbiage still appears but the graphs are not retrieving the data from the EPA's server. It might be web server overload, or it might be deliberate. I suspect probably the former. When something is reported on TV, lots and lots of people will try to access corroborating data from web sources simultaneously, which could exceed web server capability. Or it could be something more sinister. I just do not know. See www.radiationnetwork.com for independent sourced radiation data for USA - does not look bad.
by Sky 3/27/2011 4:58:28 PM

the web site for construction pictures is www.scribd.com ....if you look at the stubs comming out of contaiment vessel, these are the connections for pipes and mechanical appreatices.. all are potential weak spot in a quake or explosion... chain is only as strong as weakes link..
by fitter 3/27/2011 4:58:32 PM

wattsupwiththat.com .Do TEPCO sponsor this crowd or what.?
by audi 3/27/2011 4:58:42 PM

@Sky It's absolutely not the webserver, because the pages serve up instantly. Try to find any detail of radiation levels on the site, even in text (not on the graph). It's being deliberately hidden.
by Jojo 3/27/2011 4:59:51 PM

@Treiagonaut I'd say that the steaming level is the lip of the SFP. Take the perspective of thge shot into account and you can see the level is about where that visible horizontal division on the outer building is on R4 next to it.
by radioguy 3/27/2011 5:00:01 PM

@Dennis Tucker Jr BTW, I think that no one should be concerned at all, not that they were relying on a "conservative's" standard of concern. :)
by Jojo 3/27/2011 5:01:09 PM

@Jojo, you do not know how web installations are constructed. There are man configurations that have a separate data repository where the data is fetched from a different machine over different network connections. The web server itself is UP but the data source is not providing the data the web server needs to build the pages correctly. It is nonsense to make a conspiracy theory out of this. Maybe something has been taken down, maybe it's database maintenance on a Sunday, maybe it's overload. Sorry. The conspiracy inference might be right but it might be flat out wrong.
by Sky 3/27/2011 5:02:21 PM

Is it not obvious that a meltdown has occurred based on these updates?
by stef 3/27/2011 5:03:31 PM

@jojo news.yahoo.com re: Fukushima-Related FOIA Request: Full Data Sought on Radiation Levels That Led To NRC Chair's Call for 50-Mile Evacuation Radius for Americans in J
by dtinla 3/27/2011 5:03:53 PM

@Sky Yes I do know how web installations are constructed, I am a web developer. Try loading the image by itself, it loads instantly (with an error). This wouldn't happen if the site had a lot of hits, it would timeout after 20-30 seconds and then give an error.
by Jojo 3/27/2011 5:04:16 PM

@Jojo No doubt!! @Sky I think JoJo was just pointing out how convenient it is that when people are now looking for stats, they are not there. I too am aware of the factors of the web. It could have been a server fetch overload because as the news broke everyone ran to their computers.... coincidence.
by Dennis Tucker Jr 3/27/2011 5:04:27 PM

All right. It is good that everybody is bringing their computer and networking expertise to bear on the subject. Thanks everybody.
by Sky 3/27/2011 5:05:08 PM

@fitter on the diagram showing the feedwater pipes, is that the disconnected pipe coming out in the foreground on this: static.tijd.be
by radioguy via Static.tijd.be 3/27/2011 5:06:45 PM

The data that produces the EPA's radiation graphs comes over an HTTPS connection which would be inherently slower due to the encryption/decryption. The entire EPA CDX login site serves everything over HTTPS and from my past logins (when I could log in!) I can say it was a slow website.
by Sky 3/27/2011 5:07:27 PM

@Sky And to be fair, it could be a configuration error on their side. It's not because of the website being too busy though. We'll see in the days to come if they get around to "fixing" the bug, or if the data remains hidden.
by Jojo 3/27/2011 5:07:34 PM

A lot of experience here! That's great. I noticed we're really taking off on google today, so try to stay professional. and friendly:)
by Jim Carver 3/27/2011 5:07:38 PM

@Sky Maybe we'll discover a way to track radiation levels house-to-house because of it [lol]?? Anything can be a good thing... depending on how you look at it. Just ask TEPCO.
by Dennis Tucker Jr 3/27/2011 5:07:43 PM

Those pipes look more like heating | air conditioning to me.
by elise 3/27/2011 5:08:08 PM

@All for those new people watching and want to join the discussion your first post goes to moderation then following posts will be auto-approve. You can check latest news from the pinned comment.
by George Gibb 3/27/2011 5:08:46 PM

@stef I think what we're seeing here is every single way of saying meltdown that there is without using the word. Partial meltdowns have been admitted for days now.
by radioguy 3/27/2011 5:09:27 PM

@radioguy Since the 13th IIRC
by Dennis Tucker Jr 3/27/2011 5:09:48 PM

Strangely, I can access EPA RadNet data for my city but not for anywhere else. See www.epa.gov Can any of you outside AK see this data?
by Alaskan 3/27/2011 5:10:27 PM

@Alaskan try this www.epa.gov
by gabe 3/27/2011 5:12:02 PM

*stray observation* JFL's I looked at a few sites selling rad monitors and they were all sold out! Good time to own stock
by marie rich 3/27/2011 5:12:10 PM

@ Marie Rich : Can't acces to the data, the page is always refreshing
by Chadoz 3/27/2011 5:13:13 PM

been following since the Reuters live blog, finally decided to join in the discussion (or have the option to) Glad this site got started and is taking off, thank you mods!
by NervousinNJ 3/27/2011 5:13:41 PM