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  • @pj that has been acknowledged but stabilizing and dismantle seems to be the goal. like I said the alternates are not pretty
    by George Gibb 3/28/2011 3:07:23 AM

  • Ok thanks guys..than it's all good as usual......
    by VeenOui 3/28/2011 3:07:23 AM

  • fukashima @ noon monday pointscope01.jp

    by kgriff via Pointscope01.jp 3/28/2011 3:07:44 AM

  • @George Gibb Definitely agree
    by pj 3/28/2011 3:07:46 AM

  • Time for me to go...'night all
    by pj 3/28/2011 3:08:00 AM

  • by VeenOui via Blog.kievukraine.info 3/28/2011 3:09:36 AM

  • @kgriff I read a story the other day about issues with maintenance of the building and who is going to pay etc. Yet the site needs to be maintain longer than the pyramids - goodluck with that
    by George Gibb 3/28/2011 3:10:40 AM

  • Steam can be invisible, I have put too much weight on the steam levels seen in the morning , cool air causes them to be more visible.
    by Ralph Unger 3/28/2011 3:10:46 AM

  • @Natalie That was an incredible video.
    by marie rich 3/28/2011 3:10:49 AM

  • @George Gibb And it's at sea level.
    by RadioGuy 3/28/2011 3:11:13 AM

  • @RadioGuy in a earthquake/tsunami prone area
    by George Gibb 3/28/2011 3:12:03 AM

  • So, they have admitted that there was a partial meltdown in #2 reactor and that the containment is in fact leaking, either gas or water. That's no surprise.
    by Salvador 3/28/2011 3:12:32 AM

  • @Natalie, that footage of the tsunami was incredible! Thank you for posting it.
    by Debra Beckham 3/28/2011 3:12:52 AM

  • @VeenOui @George Gibb Yes, thanks for that. What I wanted add was the nature of the sarcophagus, such as how long it took to make (7 months+) and that it has large holes in it.
    by kgriff 3/28/2011 3:12:54 AM

  • @all 5:10 PM Eastern Slunday 3/27/2011 "We will have to wait for further details. Serious core damage, given the new data? Of course. Core melt? Partial melt, very very likely. Full melt, hard to say. Failure of reactor vessel, or a bottom end penetration (for instruments or control rods) or near the support flange by melting? Possible. Primary containment (drywell and suppression chamber) failure? Virtually assured, and TEPCO is saying just exactly that." atomicpowerreview.blogspot.com
    by Tenzing 3/28/2011 3:13:09 AM

  • Tepco has some new alerts - water in no. 2 due to partial meltdown, temporary.
    by Scilla 3/28/2011 3:13:20 AM

  • On kyodo.
    by Scilla 3/28/2011 3:13:39 AM

  • Here is another tsunami video but with a little more kick www.gizmodo.com.au
    by NHK Listener 3/28/2011 3:13:56 AM

  • Just heard on NHK that the agriculture minister said they are conducting soil tests and may need to expand the evacuation zone. Wonder if the translation was correct, since just before that he was talking about farm products. Anyone else heard this?
    by Diane 3/28/2011 3:14:35 AM

  • If there is a lot of heat still being generated, concrete and sand etc, is useless. They have to cool it down first. Or the heat will just break to covering.
    by Ralph Unger 3/28/2011 3:14:55 AM

  • Map of nuclear plants yowusa.com

    by kgriff via Yowusa 3/28/2011 3:15:57 AM

  • @Diane I believe that is what I heard too.
    by gabe 3/28/2011 3:16:08 AM

  • NISA update, morning of 3/28 in Japan
    It's the morning of the 28th in Japan, and NISA (Nuclear and Industrial Safety Agency) has just given another briefing. The able Hidehiko Nishiyama, always the morning briefing point man for NISA, gave the particulars. We were hoping to stall long enough to get the copy of the documents that accompany this briefing, but they're not available yet so in order to remain timely we'll run what we have... which in all likelihood won't be contradicted by anything in the briefing papers.

    We still read them anyway.

    Details given this morning: In general, applicable to all three reactor plants which were at power when the quake hit; all will eventually be changed from having fresh water injected to the cores by fire trucks (pumper trucks) as they are now to electric pumps. The fire trucks need to be refueled fairly often, and this arrangement is not necessarily the best. Electric pumps for each plant will be placed in a temporary arrangement, powered by diesel generators. To ensure total separation of the plants, and any event at any one plant, every plant will have its own dedicated portable diesel generator and fresh water pump.

    In terms of specific plants, it was deemed a top priority to achieve this setup on No. 2 plant first and this was done at 6:30 PM Tokyo time on the 27th. This plant is still being injected with fresh water containing boric acid. (Nishiyama's exact words were "we're injecting fresh water and we need boric acid on this plant" or something like that.)

    Now, to plant specific details and analysis...

    No. 1 plant's reactor pressure vessel temperatures are rising again, and fresh water injection rate will be adjusted upward to correct for this. (Last time I saw a new number the feed nozzle temperature was about 204C.) This plant should get its electric water pump and diesel generator on the 29th. TEPCO has added two more fire pumps to the one working the turbine building basement water pool which has developed in order to get this contaminated water into the condenser hotwell.

    At No. 2 and No. 3 plants, the condenser hotwells are already full or very nearly so and this water -- which isn't contaminated so far as we know now -- might be simply pumped outside or to sea in order to get the hotwells empty to make room for the water in the basements. Nishiyama's remarks, though, leave some opening as to the plan for No. 3 plant since he indicated they're still deciding what to do with that water.

    The cyclical nature of watering the various spent fuel pools, now using the concrete pumper truck and various 'water cannon' vehicles continues as needed, albeit with fresh water now.

    We'll be looking for the NISA and TEPCO documents to appear fairly soon, and likely some JAIF status charts a bit later.
    atomicpowerreview.blogspot.com
    by Tenzing 3/28/2011 3:16:11 AM

  • Fukushima Accident Sources
    Here is a list of sources consulted/quoted during the Fukushima Daiichi accident coverage:

    "The Safety of Nuclear Power Reactors (light water-cooled) and Related Facilities." United States Atomic Energy Commission report WASH-1250, July 1973. This is an unpublished draft report.

    "Calculation of Distance Factors for Power and Test Reactor Sites." Unites States Atomic Energy Commission document TID-14844, March 1962.

    "Current Status & Future Technical & Economic Potential of Light Water Reactors." United States Atomic Energy Commission report WASH-1082, March 1968.

    "Boiling Water Reactors." Andrew W. Kramer, Argonne National Laboratory - published under contract with the United States Atomic Energy Commission 1958. (Presented by the United States of America at the Geneva 1958 conference.)

    "The Atomic Energy Deskbook." John F. Hogerton, 1963. Sponsored by the United States Atomic Energy Commission.

    "The Second Nuclear Era." (sub. "A New Start for Nuclear Power") Weinberg/Spiewak/Barkenbus/Livingston/Phung/Manning (all of Oak Ridge Associated Universities) Praeger Special Studies - Praeger Scientific 1985.

    ..also consulted are various press materials and photographs in the APRA collection. atomicpowerreview.blogspot.com
    by Tenzing 3/28/2011 3:17:45 AM

  • feed://atomicpowerreview.blogspot.com/feeds/posts/default
    by Tenzing 3/28/2011 3:18:35 AM

  • TY Tenzing. news is a good thing :-)
    by Ralph Unger 3/28/2011 3:19:14 AM

  • by Ralph Unger 3/28/2011 3:20:06 AM

  • They keep calling the meltdown "temporary"... I have this amazing mental image of melted reactor core becoming whole again )))
    by Diane 3/28/2011 3:21:03 AM

  • BBC Viewpoint: We sould stop running away from radiation. by Wade Allison University of Oxford www.bbc.co.uk
    by Tenzing 3/28/2011 3:21:07 AM

  • @Diane Exactly, the translation is absurd.
    by Salvador 3/28/2011 3:22:05 AM

  • The reason Edano says the partial meltdown in temporary, is probably because they made an error. Soon, I expect them to say they need to analyze the data again, do more tests. They could then say later tonight that Tepco made a mistake and there was no partial meltdown, just a full meltdown!
    by quantman07 3/28/2011 3:24:07 AM

  • @Ralph Unger You are very welcome Mr. Unger :)
    by Tenzing 3/28/2011 3:25:02 AM

  • this can't be right, can it? It's taking about reactors 5 and 6,. www.smh.com.au
    by Scilla 3/28/2011 3:25:11 AM

  • @Tenzing: It does provide a different perspective. I got an impression that the author may have an agenda, though, or at least he's on a narrow academic crusade. It is true that we should not demonize normal (background) radiation or panic at slightest increases, but today's situation is completely different...
    by Diane 3/28/2011 3:25:14 AM

  • SNL should a skit with Edano, NISA and TEPCO. I'll write the script. It will be hilarious. If things were not deadly serious for millions of people, I'd really suggest this, but I'm only being sarcastic. A certain effect was noticed, but there is no immediate threat of a becoming a joke, Mr. Edano-san!
    by quantman07 3/28/2011 3:27:47 AM

  • @Scilla: They are all pretty close to each other, this is just a different collection point. I believe the spokesperson mentioned it is coming from one of the four "troubled" reactors. Very helpful!
    by Diane 3/28/2011 3:27:49 AM

  • @quantman07: LOL keep going
    by Diane 3/28/2011 3:29:37 AM

  • @Diane I will state for the record I do not believe or think Nuclear Energy is safe or a rational form of generating power. I'm just putting the information out there so we can continue an unbiased forum. If I had my way each and every Nuclear Power Plant on the planet Earth with be dismantled entombed or what ever it takes to stop the madness. Thats my uneducated - simple minded - open hearted OPINION. I hope it doesn't offend anyone. No link available.
    by Tenzing 3/28/2011 3:31:32 AM

  • @Tenzing The bbc comment is propaganda. He may be qualified to comment, but he is also extremly biased.
    by Salvador 3/28/2011 3:31:35 AM

  • @quantman...been thinking for days the whole thing smacks of SNL type humor if it was a laughing matter...which of course it isn't.
    by karronna 3/28/2011 3:32:39 AM

  • @Natalie wow! thanks for posting that vid, repost- www.youtube.com
    by kgriff 3/28/2011 3:32:51 AM

  • @Tenzing 100% agree, nuclear power is not safe. The stakes are enormous. A foolhardy enterprise.
    by Bobby1 3/28/2011 3:33:53 AM

  • @Natalie Thanks, not seen before...overwhelming Video 1
    by VeenOui 3/28/2011 3:34:00 AM

  • @ Tensing - BBC Viewpoint - An article not worthy of a scientist or a health professional. Although some of his statements are true, his message is untrue because of what he leaves out. His biggest sin is to downplay the role of alpha- and beta-emitters and the damage they can do when inhaled or ingested. He also doesn't mention that health studies into the effects of radiation exposure come to conclusions that are orders of magnitudes apart. Whatever the reasons for these discrepancies, they constitute a public health travesty. Urgent work on a scientific concensus, free from nuclear industry and military interference, is needed.
    by Cup 3/28/2011 3:34:19 AM

  • @Tenzing: I agree with you intuitively, but I'm not a big fan of the oil and gas industries, either. I feel we're stuck as a civilization, and honestly, don't see a way out in near to medium term future.
    by Diane 3/28/2011 3:34:32 AM

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