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I think The aims of this symposium are:
- Fake science, fake ethic.
- To keep claims for compensation small and / or unjustified (long time effects of radiation are not accepted by IAEA and WHO, and so by the Health Ministry)
- Limitation of the policy of Decontamination
- How to re integrate irradiated areas into economy (people’s health do not count, not important) happened in Belarus before: http://tekknorg.wordpress.com/2011/07/24/japan-goes-the-same-way-as-belarus-dictatorship-a-deep-insight/
- by increasing radiation limits for all people (infants, fetus, children, old people, everyone) you lower standards for food, air, land, water. So you can re-integrate the areas again.
- To force the Japanese population to accept on behalf of the economic efficiency unhealthy living conditions and contaminated food and contaminated water
- To relieve TEPCO: The burden of proof is imposed on the victims rather than on the polluter of the contamination: http://tekknorg.wordpress.com/2011/07/18/nuclear-energy-has-the-scientific-licence-to-kill-for-money/
- Victims must therefore justify Decontamination
- Make the people believe, that because of background radiation every additional radiation is natural, normal, not bad (known as the principle of “substantial equivalence”)
- Tell the people, that Fukushima is not as bad as Chernobyl, and, Chernobyl was a small accident (50 deaths acc. to WHO, 125,000 deaths acc. to Ukrainian health minisry 1993).
- Make the people believe, that any other statement is panic and unobjective (The IAEA uses the word “Radiophobia” for Chernobyl)
- The IAEA recognizes the disease in highly contaminated areas as not in connection with the contamination.
- Make sure that there are no independent measurements, only measurements by the atomic power plant operator, it is also important NOT to show radiation measurements during the TV weather forecasts.
- Make sure that there are no organized measurements at all, for each region, each plant, each city – especially not in the media. Or do reconstrucion on the basis of official data, which are often too low. But there is independent measurement: http://tekknorg.wordpress.com/2011/08/16/donate-for-independent-radiation-measurements-in-japan-crms-project-47/
- Advise the officals with authentic language
- Refuse cancer studies like the german KiKK study as unscientific
- Raise radiation limits for different groups of people, so that different values can be measured but each is normal, and below the limt.
tekknorg.wordpress.comby Edano 9/11/2011 12:07:17 PM
@elainekirk , I think that because of their proximity to nature, Indians had more insights into what's important in life and what it depends on than we do today. By the way, as to radiation exposure, radioguy reposted radiation maps yesterday. I figured if you are exposed to more that 20 microSv/h, the total dose will add up to 0.175 milliSv/y or 17.5 rem/y. That is how much Dean accumulated in his whole professional career, he once wrote.by Peter 9/11/2011 12:08:13 PM
@Peter how people can see the icrp as credible when they say there is no risk at the same time as admitting they dont know is beyond meby elainekirk 9/11/2011 12:10:30 PM- i will ask lilly if she wants to wite an article about the fuku fake symposium.by Edano 9/11/2011 12:11:00 PM
- @Edano I will see what more info I can find in that case :)by elainekirk 9/11/2011 12:11:30 PM
- @Edano good grief they are bombarding us with conferences that we will get scant info from, clever move , they look like they are doing something whilst saying nothingby elainekirk 9/11/2011 12:13:16 PM
- OMG!! now the information superhighway turns into the ...erm... whats the word? www.tepco.co.jpby elainekirk 9/11/2011 12:15:23 PM
well they got one section working ... www.tepco.co.jp
by elainekirk 9/11/2011 12:18:12 PM
Is there not something illogical in covering a patient with clingfilm before scanning for radiation ?? maybe this explains how they send workers to hospital and announce that they were not exposed to any radiiation ??/ the readings are going to be false surely when taken through plastic ? www.tepco.co.jp
by elainekirk 9/11/2011 12:32:08 PM
@elainekirk The desire there is to not spread radioactivity to the hospital, wrap and contain for the time being. The individual will then be treated and cared for in a controlled enviornment.by RBeaner 9/11/2011 12:35:59 PM- @RBeaner but that doesnt detract from the fact that accurate radiation readings cannot be taken due to the plasticby elainekirk 9/11/2011 12:41:37 PM
- How is the ICRP so misunderstood?.... At very low levels, such as MOST Fuku victims, the hazards of that low level radiation are undefined and can not be separated from Natural background incidence of cancer or other illness. That doesn't mean a hazard doesn't exist, it means that the hazard decreases into the normal background levels of illness, and can not be attributed to radiation scientifically. That means the risks associated with low level radiation are SMALL when compared to the normal risks associated with normal life. That is the ICRP message.by RBeaner 9/11/2011 12:42:39 PM
- @elainekirk They are not trying (in this picture) to measure the radioactivity on the person, but trying to make sure there is no radioactivity Outside the wrapping. They want to make sure they are not tracking radioactivity around ( it's like dust).by RBeaner 9/11/2011 12:44:34 PM
@RBeaner your description of ICRP, if that is their true definition of the levels is really NOT getting conveyed out to the public.by lillymunster 9/11/2011 12:45:33 PM- Edano, trying to find the info on the fake symposiums?by lillymunster 9/11/2011 12:49:43 PM
- @lillymunster The public is not scientific. ICRP is not a public relations group. They speak of science and that is all. The fact of the matter, is that at low levels (<50 mSV) per year, no effect has been identified. Some studies show a small increase in illness, other studies show no or even negative increase in illness. All I'm saying, is based on these various studies, low level radiation exposure may have some effect, but it is certainly not a large effect in illness. If it were a large effect, the studies would be much more conclusive.by RBeaner 9/11/2011 12:50:39 PM
- by Edano 9/11/2011 12:52:50 PM
- @lillymunster en.wikipedia.orgby Edano 9/11/2011 12:58:51 PM
- @lillymunster If you look at AMA (American Medical Association) reports on a particular drug, developed with the purpose of curing or healing people and 2.. making money, you will always see positve opinions and also negative opinions. Someone always wants to build it up and another wants to take it down. Medical science is simply not exact and never will be. I believe...Believe, based on the science, that ICRP follows the Preponderance of the evidence. They would lose nothing by an opinion that increased the hazard of radiation. If they Increased the hazard (by opinion), more radiological professionalls would be needed to monitor jobs. They would increase their employment. It would be like the CIA saying there is more danger to the country so we need more intelligence employees.by RBeaner 9/11/2011 12:59:03 PM
- i mean, the symposium is quite obviously not helt to improve the situation of the inhabitants. it is simply a fake event created by the nuke industry to belittle the effects of radiation.by Edano 9/11/2011 1:04:02 PM
- @Edano wow. Yea, I will read through those today and write something up. I wonder if people knew about this ahead of time, this is the first I have seen. But I did see people posting in JP about protests today and rest of the week all over Japan. I didn't ask why the uptick but I can ask rockhopperby lillymunster 9/11/2011 1:04:09 PM
- i would really welcome an international experts symposium on how to overcome the reactor catastrophe, especially technologically, but noone needs a conference about how to cover up the facts best.by Edano 9/11/2011 1:08:04 PM
- @Edano Did the IAEA put it together? Who came up with the idea might say something about the whole thing.by lillymunster 9/11/2011 1:12:50 PM
- @Edano What exactly has been determined to be the largest illness post chernobyl. In areas with some increased radioactivity. Wasn't it mostly stress related disorders. Step back for a second, put on your MD glasses and look at the studies. Compare Low level vs. High level radiation exposure.by RBeaner 9/11/2011 1:13:59 PM
- @lillymunster the "nippon foundation" and icrp.by Edano 9/11/2011 1:15:59 PM
- The stress component in all of this is being made far worse by the government and TEPCO. They lied to people, they downplayed things to later admit them. Many were exposed due to bad initial information or outright lies about it. The food supply is a mess and this was completely avoidable. People can't get help to evacuate but know they are living in contaminated areas. Those who got help lost benefits and can't buy food. If all of this is "stress" than the govt. could easily solve that stress and make everyone better. But I don't buy that people are just suffering from stress.by lillymunster 9/11/2011 1:17:25 PM
- @Edano Reading on the Nippon Foundation, ugh. Sounds like some of the US foundations that claim to have benign nice sounding activities but are actually politically motivated.by lillymunster 9/11/2011 1:20:08 PM
- @lillymunster it's worth an article, eh ?by Edano 9/11/2011 1:22:12 PM
- @RBeaner , perhaps you will find this tudy of interest: www.bfs.deby Peter 9/11/2011 1:25:44 PM
- @lillymunster : this gives me a good idea. the nuke industry should be forcerd to pay money/tax? into a fund that covers the costs of nuclear messes, like evacuation, compensation, medical care, clean ups. if every evacuee receives immediate and adequate compensation (new land, new house, new job, new existence), then there would be no stress anymore. we should promote this idea. in return the industry gets the radiated land and can try to sell it.by Edano 9/11/2011 1:26:01 PM
- this idea takes care of the fact that nuke plants cannot get insurances (nowhere in the world).by Edano 9/11/2011 1:30:29 PM
- another advantage is that the real costs of nuke energy would be revealed.by Edano 9/11/2011 1:31:19 PM
- @RBeaner thyroid cancer is stress related ?by Edano 9/11/2011 1:32:59 PM
SEIA ANNOUNCES INSURANCE PROGRAM FOR SOLAR ENERGY COMPANIES www.seia.orgby Cryptococcus 9/11/2011 1:34:00 PM- @Edano ^^by Cryptococcus 9/11/2011 1:34:07 PM
- @Edano It could be an interesting write up. Comparing insurance costs between energy companies. Of course, you would have to specify WHAT is being insured against.by Cryptococcus 9/11/2011 1:35:41 PM
- @Edano that plan sounds marvelous they can set up elite communities on the radiated land and live in their own euptopiaby elainekirk 9/11/2011 1:36:46 PM
- I put in the postal code for San Onofre in this insurance site and they said no insurance is available for that area. :) www.energyinsagency.comby Cryptococcus 9/11/2011 1:39:24 PM
- @Edano The US has such a pool power companies pay into but the scope is more for site cleanup and the money in it would never be able to deal with the real disaster of having to relocate millions of people. Yes, your idea should become international policy. It reflected the true cost and risk of commercial nuclear powerby lillymunster 9/11/2011 1:40:20 PM
- Here's one for the oil industry. Includes property and pollution. But I wonder to what extent. www.energy-ins.comby Cryptococcus 9/11/2011 1:42:20 PM
- Besides, they'd only use the pool of money to invest in building more nuclear plants.by Cryptococcus 9/11/2011 1:43:26 PM
- Anti nuclear protest in Japan (photos) bmkimages.photoshelter.comby Cryptococcus 9/11/2011 1:44:43 PM
- @Cryptococcus wow, Police were not kind. :-(by lillymunster 9/11/2011 1:49:18 PM
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