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  • @lillymunster , I believe they use the wrong term. I think the government is looking for the manuals that instruct the operators in the control room how to shutdown the reactors during an emergency.
    by Peter 9/13/2011 7:23:53 PM

  • Jake Adelstein is salivating if he's reading this. Oh the political intrigue! I need a map of how these agencies are related and governed. This article mdn.mainichi.jp points out that "representatives of METI's Nuclear and Industrial Safety Agency (NISA) revealed for the first time that under the laws governing nuclear power in Japan, the committee has the power to order TEPCO to disclose the manuals in full. As such, the committee requested the minister of economy, trade and industry issue such an order to the utility -- a legal first." "Furthermore, the fact that NISA knew there were legal grounds to demand the documents' disclosure but did nothing about it angered many of the committee directors."
    by Cryptococcus 9/13/2011 7:24:00 PM

  • @lillymunster Ah! yep I see.
    by Cryptococcus 9/13/2011 7:25:10 PM

  • @Peter my assumption was reactor specific procedures, what the control room should do rather than something more generic. They are supposedly for accidents and severe accidents.
    by lillymunster 9/13/2011 7:25:17 PM

  • I wonder if the government can put TEPCO CEOs in jail for not supplying this information. There is that clause "a legal first."
    by Cryptococcus 9/13/2011 7:26:45 PM

  • This is a cache version of tepco's response to the (possible) initial request webcache.googleusercontent.com
    by elainekirk 9/13/2011 7:27:56 PM

  • @Cryptococcus In the US there is contempt of Congress. If someone is subpeona'd to Congress and they don't cooperate they can be tossed in jail. I don't know if the JP govt. structure allows for that kind of thing or if it would apply to a committee.
    by lillymunster 9/13/2011 7:28:07 PM

  • @elainekirk they first asked for it in May? That letter read like they were delusional like they could go back and fix things as if it was a faked inspection. Now I really want to know what was in those emergency manuals. :-)
    by lillymunster 9/13/2011 7:31:21 PM

  • @lillymunster , here this would constitute Contempt of Congress: www.answers.com . I am sure the Japanese parliament possesses similar powers as the U.S. Congress does.
    by Peter 9/13/2011 7:35:30 PM

  • @lillymunster , you already mentioned it, :)
    by Peter 9/13/2011 7:36:33 PM

  • out for a bit.
    by lillymunster 9/13/2011 7:38:59 PM

  • shift handover #1 #2 journal www.tepco.co.jp
    just checking that we have copies of the files I do find
    shift h/over #5 #6 journal 210.250.7.21
    .
    shift h/over #3 #4 journal 210.250.7.21
    .
    #1 charts www.tepco.co.jp
    by elainekirk 9/13/2011 7:41:04 PM

  • I wonder if TEPCO is daring the government to charge them with contempt of parliament? After all... "retired bureaucrats who have become industry executives remain sempai to the younger bureaucrats who remain in the ministries (their former kohai). It is unthinkable that these kohai could effectively regulate their former sempai — for it would involve an inversion of one of the most fundamental relationships in Japanese life. Perhaps no industry is as rife with amakudari as the nuclear industry. Tepco is typical, with four company vicepresidents between 1959 and 2010 coming from Japan’s Nuclear and Industrial Safety Commission, the main ministry tasked with overseeing the nuclear industry." www.kansaiscene.com
    by Cryptococcus 9/13/2011 7:47:09 PM

  • I think that article should be linked to any comment on why those safety manuals are blacked out. It's a political statement from the sempai to the government (their inferiors). www.kansaiscene.com
    by Cryptococcus 9/13/2011 8:00:42 PM

  • @Cryptococcus , thanks for this article. It contains insightful information into how Japan's institutions work. The Fukushima disaster aptly reinforces the vital importance of checks and balances in any human enterprise.
    by Peter 9/13/2011 8:10:50 PM

  • @elainekirk , I remember those. Info is missing. Note in www.tepco.co.jp no entries for items 6 and 7, for example.
    by Peter 9/13/2011 8:16:24 PM

  • @Peter ty- Can I ask what you make of this webcache.googleusercontent.com it is only a couple of weeks old
    by elainekirk 9/13/2011 8:19:51 PM

  • do we have this "response after the earthquake" doc ? www.tepco.co.jp
    .
    Another - I wonder if they tally ;)
    State of immediate response after the earthquake www.tepco.co.jp
    by elainekirk 9/13/2011 8:21:14 PM


  • www.tepco.co.jp
    Regarding the September 11 TBS Broadcast Report "Earthquake Disaster Special Program: Truth of Battle of Nuclear Accidents in 180 Days"

    September 13, 2011
    Tokyo Electric Power Company

    With regard to the captioned report on Fukushima Daiichi Nuclear Power Station, there were certain contents that were not based on facts or potentially misleading reported in the program. The items reported are as follows:

    1.The report determined that "The meltdown and explosion of hydrogen could have been prevented by proper responses including the operation of IC despite the power outage. However, the details including the causes, mechanisms and operation of IC, etc. are now being investigated by the "Investigation Committee on the Accident at the Fukushima Nuclear Power Stations".
    Under the circumstances, the report prematurely presumed or guessed that it was a "Human Made Disaster" before the facts become evident. Given the misleading nature of this report, we extremely deplore that such a report was made.

    2.The report mentioned that "Action involving the vent took too much time because the order to implement the manual operations of the vent valve was delayed". Due to a station blackout, we were unable to monitor the pressure of the containment vessel. However, after the monitoring function was restored by connecting it to a small generator, the general manager swiftly issued orders that included moving forward with manual vent operations (March 12th, approx. 12:06 am). Hence, the order was not late. Prior to the implementation of on-site vent operations, it was necessary to obtain Government approval. In addition, we also had to spend time confirming operation procedures, the radiation level of the site, and an estimation of the operation time, making/reporting the evaluation of exposure dose around the site, and confirm the evacuation of residents. As a result, we actually started the vent operations at around 9:00 AM on March 12 after we confirmed that the evacuation of the residents of Okuma Town (Kumachi District) had been completed. In addition, because the site work was conducted when radiation levels were very high, the workers had to work in multiple shifts. They also had to work in the darkness due to the loss of power. It was very difficult to maintain communication between the workers and the head office because the physical lines of communication were lost at that time. It was under such severe circumstances that we were called upon to respond quickly and accurately.

    3.The report mentioned that TEPCO reported its intentions to implement a full withdrawal from the site to the Government. However, that is not a fact. The point that was informed to the Government was that "Given the severity of the situation, we wanted to consider the potential necessity that for some workers who were not directly involved in the response work, they may temporarily be withdrawn". Regarding this very point, the former Prime Minister, Kan, mentioned at the budget committee in the House of Councilors on April 18 and May 2, that he had summoned the President of TEPCO and was given the answer that "it did not mean a 'withdrawal' (April 18th)". Prime Minister Kan also stated "At one stage, since I heard from the Minister of Economy, Trade and Industry that TEPCO may have intentions of withdrawing due to various reasons, I summoned the President to clarify his intentions. His answer was that we do not have any intention of withdrawing." (May 2). These statements correspond to the facts as we understand them.
    by elainekirk 9/13/2011 8:34:11 PM

  • Boy, tepco on the defensive now!
    by Peter 9/13/2011 8:40:36 PM

  • @elainekirk , you I want me to look at the piece on business risk?
    by Peter 9/13/2011 8:43:39 PM

  • @Peter yes please see if it worth hanging onto seems to have undertones to me like they are saying that should they be put in a position where they have to adequately compensate victims then they may just find that all their business interests have lost value and they are calling it a day
    by elainekirk 9/13/2011 8:47:23 PM

  • in other words I think they are laying the ground ready for walking away I wonder how far other companies will go to help tepco protect their investments in them...
    by elainekirk 9/13/2011 8:47:54 PM

  • Soo… - now AIEA say the reactors are safe..?? – at the same time as Tepco sensure rapport on Fukushima, and won’t tell. Where is this going? A new downplaying is NOT accepted! Is it AIEA who shall give us info? That is not a good idea!

    AEIA were the one who ordered this last animation of the spread of radiation of the northern hemisphere-why not use one of the excictent? I don’t trust them.
    by Mona 9/13/2011 9:06:07 PM

  • First this document webcache.googleusercontent.com shows that the company can write in flawless English, when it deems fit. In my opinion, with the statement under (2) the company attempts to pressure the government for greater cash infusion, threatening bankruptcy. I cite a few nuggets:
    (2) Matters regarding Preconditions for Remaining Going Concern
    Regarding nuclear damages caused by a series of accidents at Fukushima Daiichi Nuclear Power Station after the Tohoku-Chihou-Taiheiyou-Oki Earthquake, the Nuclear Damage Compensation Law (the "Law") (effective on June 17, 1961; Law No.147) requires the Company to bear the damage compensation under the nuclear damage compensation scheme in Japan if certain necessary conditions are satisfied.Accordingly, significant deterioration of the Company's financial position raises significant doubt about its ability to continue as a going concern.….however, the management realizes significant doubt in the Company's ability to continue as a going concern at this moment as detailed compensation scheme has not been decided yet. The Company needs to wait for a vote at the Diet for the legislation of the compensation scheme.

    (4) Nuclear Power Generation, Nuclear Fuel Cycle
    Due to the series of nuclear accidents, TEPCO's business using nuclear power generation and the nuclear fuel cycle may be affected. Reflecting the recent events, TEPCO is implementing emergency safety measures at its nuclear power stations currently in operation in accordance with the directives of the Minister of Economy, Trade and Industry while making further efforts to ensure safety. However, operations at nuclear power generation facilities may be suspended for long periods of time due to natural disasters, accidents at facilities and extensions of regular inspections, which could negatively affect the TEPCO Group's results and financial condition.

     (5) Business and Environmental Regulations
    ….Furthermore, changes in the structure of the electric power business and the TEPCO Group's regulatory environment, including a tightening of regulations related to global warming, could affect the TEPCO Group's results and financial condition. In addition, issues such as a decrease in the quality of electric power due to a substantial increase in renewable energy resulting from factors that include stricter environmental regulations could disrupt operations.

    (10) Securing Safety, Quality Control and Preventing Environmental Pollution
    The TEPCO Group works to secure safety, control quality and prevent environmental pollution. However, accidents, fatalities or large-scale emissions of pollutants into the environment resulting from incidents, including operational errors or failure to comply with laws or internal regulations, could damage public trust in the TEPCO Group and affect the smooth execution of Group operations.
    by Peter 9/13/2011 9:10:14 PM

  • Elaine, this is very interesting isn't it? Looks like management is preparing the parachutes.
    by Peter 9/13/2011 9:12:41 PM

  • @Mona iaea are going to be struggling for survival both this week and next with some countries demanding that they be given more power and others saying that individual governments should take over monitoring and regulation so funding is going to be hard to come by. Lets face it they are puppets of the industry whose sole purpose is to draw attention away from those responsible for polluting the planet, instead of Japan gov and tepco being called to account it has been implied that iaea are in the driving seat and know everything that is happening but that cannot be true as tepco have not released enough information for anybody to make a judgement and the Japanese gov have not insisted on independen verification of what they are being told
    by elainekirk 9/13/2011 9:15:24 PM

  • @Peter it certainly does and if so where does that leave the clean up of the fuku plant?
    by elainekirk 9/13/2011 9:17:40 PM

  • To be a fly on the wall in TEPCO's executive offices right now...
    by lillymunster 9/13/2011 9:18:34 PM

  • I wonder if Noda has something up his sleeve or if Edano being put in charge of METI pushed them over the edge.
    by lillymunster 9/13/2011 9:19:26 PM

  • Grabbing and saving all the links found while I was gone.
    by lillymunster 9/13/2011 9:28:06 PM

  • From the times before the 'disaster comes this wee gem
    webcache.googleusercontent.com
    Strengthening emergency response capacity
    TEPCO is constantly strengthening its response to emergencies and disasters by creating disaster response plans and internal manuals, and establishing a company-wide risk management system
    by elainekirk 9/13/2011 9:28:51 PM

  • @elainekirk LOL. Now would be a really good time for a few TEPCO whistleblowers to come forth anonymously. :-)
    by lillymunster 9/13/2011 9:32:22 PM

  • @elainekirk , this task will fall upon the government. Interesting is also that tepco expects financial aid from the government for compensation of victims, but there seems no clear idea whether and how this money is supposed to be paid back. AIG and the U.S. investment banks would have been overjoyed with such bail out.
    by Peter 9/13/2011 9:36:02 PM

  • @Peter they said they would begin payments in October so we have
    only a few weeks to wait
    by elainekirk 9/13/2011 9:38:40 PM

  • Yikes!
    NRC BEGINS SPECIAL INSPECTION AT
    MONTICELLO NUCLEAR POWER PLANT
    The U.S. Nuclear Regulatory Commission has started a Special Inspection to review the
    circumstances surrounding the blockage of a portion of the fire protection sprinkler system
    located outside of the reactor building, in an intake structure that houses some safety-related
    equipment.
    The plant is operated by Northern States Power Company-Minnesota and is located in
    Monticello, Minn., 35 miles northwest of Minneapolis.
    On Sept. 2, the company reported to the NRC that while performing testing of the intake
    structure fire suppression sprinkler system, workers identified blockage in a portion of the
    system. This piping supplies water from the Mississippi River to the sprinkler system in case of a
    fire in the building. The NRC staff determined that because this blockage could interfere with the
    sprinkler system’s ability to suppress a fire that could affect safety-related equipment and
    because there is also a potential generic concern, a special inspection was appropriate.
    The company instituted a continuous compensatory fire watch and stationed backup fire
    suppression equipment in the intake building to make sure the plant could respond to a fire in
    this location.
    A three-member NRC team that includes a fire protection specialist will evaluate the
    condition of the fire suppression system in the intake building, the plant’s compensatory
    measures and the root cause investigation; determine if other sprinkler systems in the plant have
    similar blockage; look into existence of previous occurrences of this issue and review previous
    corrective actions; and determine if there are generic implications for other plants.
    “There is no immediate safety concern here,” NRC Region III Deputy Administrator
    Cynthia Pederson said. “Nevertheless, we want to gain a better understanding of this issue, how
    and why it occurred, and its implications for Monticello and for other plants.”
    by lillymunster 9/13/2011 9:39:11 PM

  • There was a vague mention that NODA might want to liquidate TEPCO. I saw it in passing either on Twitter or in a political article right around the time of the election. I have seen nothing more on it since.
    by lillymunster 9/13/2011 9:41:19 PM

  • @lillymunster what happens if tepco jump ?
    by elainekirk 9/13/2011 10:17:08 PM

  • www.tepco.co.jp

    memory lane

    by elainekirk via Tepco.co.jp 9/13/2011 10:27:22 PM

  • @elainekirk like executives off the top floor?
    by lillymunster 9/13/2011 10:44:25 PM

  • @lillymunster nah they will jump in their yatchs and sail away
    by elainekirk 9/13/2011 10:45:25 PM

  • anyone know what the structure is withing the red lines

    by elainekirk 9/13/2011 10:46:37 PM

  • those panels have been sucked in not blown out (unit 4)

    by elainekirk 9/13/2011 10:57:04 PM

  • Where are you finding the images?
    by lillymunster 9/13/2011 11:21:48 PM

  • @lillymunster the arghives on the press pic page www.tepco.co.jp
    by elainekirk 9/13/2011 11:23:42 PM

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