@Jim Carver Never mind, maybe I misinterpreted your 'credibility zero' comment.
by Pedro Jesus 3/28/2011 1:17:15 AM
I know we've probably covered this but why is R#3 so much more dangerous with it's plutomium?
by CaraBnr 3/28/2011 1:17:25 AM
It's ok - it is about chernobyl being "over moderated" with graphite, being a duel use type: a scaled up weapons reactor.
by elise 3/28/2011 1:17:35 AM
well it's primarily heat. and all kinds of electromagnetic waves, including heat beams. and gamma rays. and xrays.
by Matsuoka 3/28/2011 1:19:04 AM
Its been posted before, but here's a daily audio discussion by a retired military nuclear engineer on the nuclear reactors. georneyThanks s.blogspot.com
by Yuri edited by George Gibb 3/28/2011 1:19:15 AM
@Jojo I'm not Dean, but I could take a stab- the decay if isotope releases heat and atomic particles either bond with, or 'fall off of' other atoms to form new elements. As to the fission, by "tracking back the cat", They want to figure out where radioactive release is coming from, i.e. the fuel pool or the reactor. Dean...HELP!
by marie rich 3/28/2011 1:19:22 AM
@Jojo Its just a comment that stuck out to me today and I was wondering what dean thinks if its plausible
by George Gibb 3/28/2011 1:19:24 AM
OK elise... you can do some research.. the N reactor which was in richland washington DOE site was copied by the russians when they got the design , they build chernobyl to be like the N reactor with a graphite moderator and only thing... NONE of the safety features or containment...
by dean 3/28/2011 1:19:24 AM
marie... very very good.... keep going your doing well...
by dean 3/28/2011 1:20:05 AM
it talked about the moderating being lessened in the duel
by elise 3/28/2011 1:20:19 AM
yes
by dean 3/28/2011 1:20:55 AM
Now that I see "cherenkov" come up again, I'll try again to clarify something I asked over on Reuters. In this article en.wikipedia.org they speak of TWO types of blue glows associated with criticality accidents. One is cherenkov needing water/dielectric and the other does not. I am NOT saying we are seeing this type of blue glow, I was simply pointing out as it was discussed is that is seems there can be a blue glow associated with criticality incidents that does not need a dielectric.
by dyan 3/28/2011 1:21:23 AM
The Chernobyl disaster was caused by the fact then when you shut it down temps and reactivity spiked, a BWR does not have these faults.
by Ralph Unger 3/28/2011 1:22:13 AM
@marie rich OK thanks. Has anyone (not TEPCO) made any progress as to where the fission is and how much energy is being released to result with the isotopes that they did? Clearly it's ongoing if they are getting 6-hour old isotopes?
by Jojo 3/28/2011 1:22:15 AM
I uh, heard that it 'test' to see if they could generate power on a 'coasting' turbine was actually enforced on the operator by the KGB. The ops pleaded with them and said it was dangerous, and guns were drawn...
@marie rich : are you talking about the "glowing" or the "puddles" ? you make me confused.
by Matsuoka 3/28/2011 1:22:59 AM
Got it from an email I sent ~ You want a reactor to be "under moderated". That way if you lose moderation - the reactivity of the reactor will go down - as will the power. In the RBMK, it was "over moderated" - it had more than enough graphite moderator to do the job - and the excess actually interferes with the reaction. In such a reactor, when the graphite heats up, and the effective moderation goes down - you are only getting rid of excess moderator - and reactivity goes UP, not down; and the power also goes UP.
by elise 3/28/2011 1:23:00 AM
@dean :) Thanks, I'll study up
by marie rich 3/28/2011 1:23:07 AM
good night all.. I must rest now... see you soon
by dean 3/28/2011 1:24:03 AM
@Matsuoka sorry- talking about puddles to jojo, and glowing to you
by marie rich 3/28/2011 1:24:05 AM
NHK Live
by carBnr 3/28/2011 1:24:06 AM
@dean Thanks Dean =)
by George Gibb 3/28/2011 1:24:29 AM
@George: Thanks for putting all the links up.
by Karen Warren 3/28/2011 1:24:30 AM
@dean Night, Teach ;)
by marie rich 3/28/2011 1:24:31 AM
@dyan : yep.
by Matsuoka 3/28/2011 1:24:43 AM
: )
by dean 3/28/2011 1:24:56 AM
thanks dean.
by elise 3/28/2011 1:25:03 AM
@marie rich : aha, thanks.
by Matsuoka 3/28/2011 1:25:11 AM
NHK live pressure in 1 rising if I heard correctly
by Diane 3/28/2011 1:25:28 AM
@carBnr is the nhk new?
by marie rich 3/28/2011 1:26:38 AM
Correction I think they said temperature... tuned in kind of late
by Diane 3/28/2011 1:26:56 AM
Think so
by carBnr 3/28/2011 1:27:00 AM
thanks
by marie rich 3/28/2011 1:27:17 AM
I thought pressure up in 1
by carBnr 3/28/2011 1:27:26 AM
@ Marie A shutdown was a part of the test and inexperienced night operators were on duty, the test was scheduled for that day, which helped lead to the disaster at Chernobyl.
by Ralph Unger 3/28/2011 1:27:29 AM
When the spike hit they had no idea what to do.
by Ralph Unger 3/28/2011 1:27:54 AM
KGB? I dunno, the government did pressure them to do the test.
by Ralph Unger 3/28/2011 1:28:41 AM
well, the water in the puddles - i don't see how one could decide if it comes from the vessel or the pool. there is a connection between SPF and reactor vessel. i think they have a common inner cooling, so it might get difficult to find the source.
by Matsuoka 3/28/2011 1:28:43 AM
Another tsunami warning (lifted, thank God). Besides, the struggle to remove the water, has anything else happened? Thanks.
by Karen Warren 3/28/2011 1:29:24 AM
thanks dean.
by elise 3/28/2011 1:29:30 AM
@Matsuoka Thanks for the info. Has anyone figured out what the implications of the fission reaction are based on the quantity of by-products? And how that bodes for the present and future for the reactor?
by Jojo 3/28/2011 1:30:41 AM
Question - would one of you explain why soil samples shall be done twice a week and not daily ? Looking for plutonium per NHK link posted below.
by Salu 3/28/2011 1:30:47 AM
The half life of products will tell you the source. but with possible fission in the fuel pools, who can say? Looking for an expert opinion response here.