Japan Earthquake

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I have no proof, but I think the batteries were not maintained well, cost cutting.
by Ralph Unger 3/28/2011 1:02:39 AM

@alblee Infoseekers, yes. But I'd be a little disappointed in a news network if they came here looking for links that we put up. I would hope they would already have the information.
by Natalie 3/28/2011 1:03:37 AM

@Matsuoka but xenon luminesces (flouresceses?) in the prescence of copper - which could have been melted (along with xenon) from metal alloy in fittings and such. Pure speculation, but it can't be a film artifact.
by marie rich 3/28/2011 1:03:57 AM

@Ralph Unger Oh right! They were supposed to last a meager eight hours and lasted what, one and a half I think.
by Jim Carver 3/28/2011 1:04:02 AM

@Ralph Unger There's an undeniable tendency to forget about the small little things that everything may depend on if things go wrong, because you don't think they ever will.
by RadioGuy 3/28/2011 1:04:13 AM

@RadioGuy They should be trained as piolts.
by Jim Carver 3/28/2011 1:05:03 AM

@Jim, probably would have made no difference though. The power outage lasted much longer then any batteries could have covered.
by Ralph Unger 3/28/2011 1:05:20 AM

Also, has TEPCO sufficiently explained their original error in reactor #2 numbers? They post bad numbers, people freak out, and they re-assess them down and everyone says ok? What was the cause of their original error?
by Jojo 3/28/2011 1:05:27 AM

@marie rich : i really cannot confirm that there is a blue glowing. it is very far away and very discrete. it looks like there could be something. but neutron beams don't glow. they are invisible. Xenon and copper luminescense ? cherenkow radiation ? i don't really know.
by Matsuoka 3/28/2011 1:06:07 AM

@Jojo no explanation. They retested and found the originals wrong.
by RadioGuy 3/28/2011 1:06:34 AM

@Hank Scorpio OK thanks.
by Jojo 3/28/2011 1:06:46 AM

@Jojo Not really sure if it was an error. Credibility zero.
by Jim Carver 3/28/2011 1:06:50 AM

@RadioGuy Wow, and people are just buying that?
by Jojo 3/28/2011 1:07:11 AM

@marie rich . Maybe it was the day when they put the light on again and it just from the neon bulbs....
by Matsuoka 3/28/2011 1:07:19 AM

back for a bit before rest... not sure if you all heard that tomorrow I will be meeting with my reactor engineers and we will discuss some of the events.. if there are any questions I will copy them down here and try to get answers...
by dean 3/28/2011 1:07:58 AM

Seriously, how is TEPCO still in control of the plant?
by Jojo 3/28/2011 1:08:01 AM

@radioguy: i am going to get the book ~ "arsenals of folly" that the first explosion was a half mile up, and the graphite burned for ten days - a conflagration that could not be doused with water ~ the dumped 11 million tons of sand, lead , borax on it and it just ate it up like maw I'm the ground. That the radioactive lava is still in there..
by elise 3/28/2011 1:08:07 AM

I think it was an accurate reading... it has a very short half-life. www.yomiuri.co.jp
by Ralph Unger 3/28/2011 1:08:20 AM

these are the ones already asked..
by dean 3/28/2011 1:08:24 AM

Does the Fukushima fallout have any effect on atmospheric conditions.......I am wondering if a change in weather pattern is possible as it was in Europe with Acid rain ?.thanks
@dean Maybe ask about some consistecy concerning units of measurements so laypersons are not so confused? Jim
@Dean: I'd like to have an opinion about #3 reactor. Comparing to #4 and documents we have seen about Mark I desing, it seems to me that the building has collapsed lower than the top of the spent fuel pool. If so, its integrity could not have been preserved. Anyone knowing this plant design saying that I'm wrong would be great....
@dean Survey what they think caused #2 torus to rupture? Seems like the biggest unknown to me. Thanks
by dean 3/28/2011 1:08:29 AM

@Jojo Speculation has ranged from high-tide/low-tide differences in retests to stirred up vs. sedimented.
by RadioGuy 3/28/2011 1:08:36 AM

@Jim Carver The US Military, IAEA, Green Peace and several other entities on the field, from different origins, have been consistently confirming TEPCO's official data. If you don't trust all the organizations on the field who do you trust?
by Pedro Jesus 3/28/2011 1:08:37 AM

We are not alone!! www.reuters.com -"Disaster-hit Japan faces protracted nuclear crisis"- An expert at University of Southern CA states: "THIS IS FAR BEYOND WHAT ONE NATION CAN HANDLE-IT NEEDS TO BE BUMPED UP TO THE UN SECURITY COUNCIL. In my humble opinion, THIS IS MORE IMPORTANT THAN THE LIBYA NO FLY ZONE'.
by MaryW 3/28/2011 1:09:26 AM

@RadioGuy But TEPCO hasn't explained the discrepancy?
by Jojo 3/28/2011 1:09:30 AM

@Ralph Unger I tend to agree. Very high levels of very short-lived isotopes.
by RadioGuy 3/28/2011 1:09:32 AM

@Jojo Not that I've seen. I think they said, in effect, "We looked at that reading and realized it was unrealistic so we retested."
by RadioGuy 3/28/2011 1:10:46 AM

@Pedro Jesus ?
by Jim Carver 3/28/2011 1:10:49 AM

And even in their recent measurements, they are finding massive measurements of TC-99m, with a half-life of 6 hours. How can people work there?
by Jojo 3/28/2011 1:10:56 AM

@Matsuoka thanks for looking :) @Jojo Technetium (tc99) is a major product of uranium235 fission, found mostly in spent fuel rods. It decays (beta/gamma) into molybdenum, (mb), ruthenium (Ru) and decays in minutes. Other thing there testing for is Lanthanum138 (La), which is a 'hydrogen sponge' which soaks up hydrogen and releases it as heat.
by marie rich 3/28/2011 1:10:56 AM

marie .. you are getting to be a pro at the decay chain... .very nice
by dean 3/28/2011 1:11:35 AM

@Jojo, ya don't mess with good news. The next reading was smaller so....
by Ralph Unger 3/28/2011 1:11:41 AM

@marym: there are 17,000 US forces - visit www.pacom.mil operation tomaguchi to see how much help is being provided.
by elise 3/28/2011 1:12:04 AM

@dean Thank you Teacher- do I get an A?
by marie rich 3/28/2011 1:12:19 AM

elsie.. I'm back and was going to answer your earlier question.. can you repeat it please.. sorry I was gone
by dean 3/28/2011 1:12:56 AM

yep marie... A+
by dean 3/28/2011 1:13:05 AM

@marie rich So if there is clearly fission going on, what are the implications from this in terms of the reactor/TEPCO? And where is all that fission energy going if it's not turning the turbine?
by Jojo 3/28/2011 1:13:46 AM

@Jojo : fission means E=mc²
by Matsuoka 3/28/2011 1:14:44 AM

@dean Any thoughts on this
by George Gibb 3/28/2011 1:14:52 AM

A little snippet

"The readings being retracted are not due to miscalculation. If you will check the tides for the last 24hrs you will see that the initial VERY HIGH reading was @ high tide. The second re-reading was taken @ low tide. This style reactor uses a single cooling loop and appears to have a leak in the turbine room. The tides coming in puts positive pressure in this loop and radiation collects. When the tide goes out it places a vaccume on the system pulling vast amounts out to sea.
Tepco will publish samples taken @ low tide from now on it seems."Eric Shidler on March 27, 2011, 4:04 PM www.theoildrum.com/node/7724
by George Gibb 3/28/2011 1:14:54 AM

Or basically fission means getting hotter rather then cooler.
by Ralph Unger 3/28/2011 1:15:32 AM

No credit George? :-)
by Ralph Unger 3/28/2011 1:16:16 AM

@Matsuoka So given that we should know the energy released (?) based on the by-products like Tc-99m, where is that energy going? What would have to be the conditions to generate that?
by Jojo 3/28/2011 1:16:17 AM

@elsie: thanks for the update on US troops------but the article was referring to the United Nations, if that was what you were referring too:)
by MaryW 3/28/2011 1:16:42 AM

@Ralph Unger Sorry interesting find =)
by George Gibb 3/28/2011 1:16:56 AM

@George Gibb So in other words the initial reading is correct, just at high tide? That means that every high tide x2 day, they will get elevated readings?
by Jojo 3/28/2011 1:17:14 AM