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  • @Jeff Hey, I know some peeps at Turkey Pt., but more at St. Lucie.
    by marie rich 3/28/2011 12:48:42 AM

  • These figures contain readings over a million and they are gov not tepco or am I reading data wrong www.mext.go.jp
    by elainekirk 3/28/2011 12:48:45 AM

  • They also clearly need to evacuate the surrounding towns, even if it's just pregnant women.
    by Jojo 3/28/2011 12:48:49 AM

  • Ha ha! You fool! You fell victim to one of the classic blunders - The most famous of which is "never get involved in a land war in Asia" - but only slightly less well-known is this: "Never go against a shrill, harpie of a prosecutor when death is on the line"! Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha! Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha! Ha ha ha...
    by Hank Scorpio 3/28/2011 12:49:22 AM

  • @elainekirk2001 Those figures are in Becquerels, which need to take into account how the radiation is absorbed (air, water, soil, etc.) and which element. That said, that number is absolutely JAW-DROPPING. We're talking at the maximum level of Chernobyl or even higher.
    by Jojo 3/28/2011 12:50:32 AM

  • @Hank Scorpio Classic.
    by Jojo 3/28/2011 12:50:47 AM

  • @Jojo There are 2 pages to that report, all right, but not what you are looking for. I can't understand any sort of Japanese so I share the English version in TEPCO's website. www.tepco.co.jp
    by Pedro Jesus 3/28/2011 12:50:48 AM

  • Yes Jojo and not in circles, The dangers is moving with the wind so 30 KM away might not be far enough of the wind is blowing the wrong way. A teardrop shaped zone would be more fitting.
    by Ralph Unger 3/28/2011 12:50:55 AM

  • @Jojo all the isotopes they detected are volatile with relatively low melting/boiling points, i.e. probably left the reactor via steam. Heavier isotopes would be far less likely to get to the turbine hall - which is connected to the reactor via steam pipes.
    by Sims 3/28/2011 12:51:01 AM

  • @Pedro Jesus Ok thanks.
    by Jojo 3/28/2011 12:51:29 AM

  • @marie rich : tell me what. the glowing ?
    by Matsuoka 3/28/2011 12:51:37 AM

  • @Matsuoka @Matsuoka yes
    by marie rich 3/28/2011 12:51:57 AM

  • @Sims Thanks!
    by Jojo 3/28/2011 12:52:05 AM

  • I suppose the most famous blunder could be changed to building a nuclear power plant in the most quake-ridden area of Asia.
    by Hank Scorpio 3/28/2011 12:52:09 AM

  • @marie rich : cherenko lighting ?
    by Matsuoka 3/28/2011 12:52:48 AM

  • @Hank Scorpio and taking a reactor about to be decommissioned and filling it with MOX.
    by Bobby1 3/28/2011 12:52:57 AM

  • Even the new designs would fail after 72 hours without power.
    by Ralph Unger 3/28/2011 12:53:10 AM

  • @Matsuoka Idk nuetron beams? some kind of luminescence form xenon? Weird, tho
    by marie rich 3/28/2011 12:53:44 AM

  • Also, what can we tell from their readings that there were so many SHORT HALF-LIFE isotopes? What is reacting to produce, say, TC 99 that has a half-life of 6 hours??
    by Jojo 3/28/2011 12:54:14 AM

  • George_Gibb has got a really good thing started here. Thanks, everybody, for keeping up such a truly exemplary quality of decent discourse. And also for your diligence and every effort to sustain our highwater mark. Let's keep this up, guys. We rock, truly.
    Well, umm, might it be that one mission-critical thing this worldwide civil society information community of ours can do is venture beyond our current level of activity (passively sniffing, filtering, quasi-analyzing) and level up by leveraging our contacts on the ground in Japan to proactively smoke out crucial but solid, credible info: health progress of workers, physical status updates on each reactor, current metrics of ambient radiation status, insider Tepco plans, industry second-opinion sources, etc? If potential information sources / whistleblowers feel they can trust us enough, then we take our first steps from being noise to being news. By becoming the go-to web destination for this subject, we begin to fulfill our unstated aspiration to be of some use to the world in the wake of Fukushima. Needless to say, we should always tread with care and discernment. Nuff said.
    by alblee 3/28/2011 12:55:35 AM

  • Also, did anyone here of WHY they "reassessed" the data from reactor 2? If they made an error on the 1st analysis, how can we trust ANY of their numbers?
    by Jojo 3/28/2011 12:55:55 AM

  • @Jojo Tc99 is a major product of fission. doesn't really occur in nature. and the highest amount is in spent fuel...
    by marie rich 3/28/2011 12:56:11 AM

  • Tc-99 has a half-life of over 200K years. en.wikipedia.org
    by Hank Scorpio 3/28/2011 12:56:24 AM

  • @alblee How is using us as go to information? Well, besides us.
    by Natalie 3/28/2011 12:56:42 AM

  • @Hank Scorpio On the link www.tepco.co.jp Tc-99m has a half-life of 6 hours.
    by Jojo 3/28/2011 12:56:51 AM

  • This is the worst (or dumbest) thing I have read today, so I will post it. "Dave Lochbaum has suggested a common failure mode for leaks in the spent fuel pools. Large doors in the side of the pools are equipped with rubber tubes that are inflated to seal around the door. Even if these seals were not damaged, without power to run the pumps that keep the seals inflated, they can lose air over time and create leaks around the door. Such leaks may not show up immediately since it could take some time for the seals to lose air pressure.
    The pumps for these seals currently do not have backup power so leaks of this kind can result from an extended loss of power from the grid. This is a vulnerability of this type of plant design that could happen elsewhere, including at a number of plants in the the US, and needs to be addressed." allthingsnuclear.org
    by Ralph Unger 3/28/2011 12:56:54 AM

  • @Ralph Unger Uh, Dean said that maybe three four days ago...
    by marie rich 3/28/2011 12:57:43 AM

  • My bad Jojo. I didn't see the m.
    by Hank Scorpio 3/28/2011 12:57:43 AM

  • Just looked it up on Google after you posted that.
    by Hank Scorpio 3/28/2011 12:58:15 AM

  • @Hank Scorpio Actually my bad, I didn't post it originally :). But as marie rich said, what are the implications of that? Fission must be going on, which means what?
    by Jojo 3/28/2011 12:58:43 AM

  • @elise I got captured by that NYT article. Excellent.
    by RadioGuy 3/28/2011 12:58:55 AM

  • @marie rich : i would say cherenko radiation. this is beta rays travelling faster than the electromagnetical beams.
    by Matsuoka 3/28/2011 12:59:26 AM

  • @Jojo I think they're trying to figure out where the rad is coming from- spent fuel pools vs. reactor
    by marie rich 3/28/2011 12:59:52 AM

  • @Ralph Unger It is true.. The gates between the spent cooling pools use rubber seals.. that is what he is talking about
    by NHK Listener 3/28/2011 1:00:22 AM

  • @marie rich Well isn't fission in the spent pools a LOOOOOOT worse? They are sitting out in the open.
    by Jojo 3/28/2011 1:00:29 AM

  • @Matsuoka So... I'm not totally crazy ???!!! YAY! and thanks for indulging me :)
    by marie rich 3/28/2011 1:00:34 AM

  • I did not know that Dean posted it a few days ago, but it is still relevant. The link is in a sticky. Posted by me.
    by Ralph Unger 3/28/2011 1:00:40 AM

  • It means a lot of bad things, most specifically that the more active the reaction, the hotter the temperature of the fuel and the higher the pressure in the vessel.
    by Hank Scorpio 3/28/2011 1:00:43 AM

  • @Jojo Yhe NRC thinks so.
    by marie rich 3/28/2011 1:01:09 AM

  • Thanks, @Natalie. Hypothetically, when we have gained credibility with the kind of solid, beneficial information that we can deliver through our extended network and resources, other parties can be expected to "go to" us -- news outlets, orgs, etc. Right now, I wouldn't be surprised if we are already on the radar of audacious infoseekers.
    by alblee 3/28/2011 1:01:23 AM

  • you mean fission and neutron beams ? but neutron beams do not emit light.
    by Matsuoka 3/28/2011 1:01:26 AM

  • @Jojo - Fission won't happen in the spent pools for very long, if at all. The water level would have to be perfect. Burning of the overheated rods is the issue.
    by Hank Scorpio 3/28/2011 1:01:35 AM

  • @Ralph Unger Yeah I saw that. They never heard of batteries or solar power or really anything. Ceases to amaze.
    by Jim Carver 3/28/2011 1:01:55 AM

  • Sorry if I'm late to the party, but has anyone calculated what the temperature/type of reaction is given the by-product radiation readings?
    by Jojo 3/28/2011 1:02:15 AM

  • @Jojo Presumably most of the becquerels released are from the spent fuel, but there is really nasty stuff in the reactor.
    by Bobby1 3/28/2011 1:02:18 AM

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