Japan Earthquake

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Fears of another magnitude 9 earthquake:
joongangdaily.joins.com
by spanish_reader 4/9/2011 12:31:13 PM

Major aftershock highlights fragility of nuclear power plants:
mdn.mainichi.jp
by spanish_reader 4/9/2011 12:32:32 PM

Professor at Kyoto University’s nuclear institute changes mind: I’ve started to think fission has happened again… re-criticality
enenews.com
by spanish_reader 4/9/2011 12:35:50 PM

@spanish_reader so that 100 sV reading from yesterday startled the professor too?
by Nancy 4/9/2011 12:49:13 PM

Radiation skyrockets to 100 Sv/hr at Fukushima reactor No. 1, along with sudden rise in temperature immediately after 7.4 quake
enenews.com
by spanish_reader 4/9/2011 12:50:39 PM

Is there a way to read this thing on a mobile device or smart phone?
by Nancy 4/9/2011 12:51:01 PM

They are finding that chlorine isotope again so something is happening right now.
by Nancy 4/9/2011 12:51:37 PM

Nuclear Radiologist: Don’t be fooled by paid industry “consultants” — Low doses of ionizing radiation do cause cancer
www.smh.com.au
by spanish_reader 4/9/2011 12:52:42 PM

Not sure if posted already:
by spanish_reader 4/9/2011 12:55:17 PM

Cl might explain why they do not feel like reporting dw radiation, if its getting really high again
by Markfm 4/9/2011 12:56:14 PM

@Markfm I wasn't sure if the java scripts etc worked or if there was a app I needed to download. I may check in later today to see what is up then. Going to visit friends out of town.
by Nancy 4/9/2011 12:56:39 PM

@Markfm The sudden lack of ANY real news is making me suspicious combined with the lag in english versions and lags in the tepco cam
by Nancy 4/9/2011 12:57:21 PM

Droid x works fine, I use ezpdf to view docs
by Markfm 4/9/2011 12:57:48 PM

something we might want to consider for the working group is asking for a set of standards for public release of data in a timely manner and some sort of 3rd party translation service to help.
by Nancy 4/9/2011 12:58:44 PM

@ Nancy -agree with both your last comments
by UKVal 4/9/2011 1:01:14 PM

@ Nancy -could be part of demands for a forceful international regulatory body
by UKVal 4/9/2011 1:07:07 PM

"Scarier than radiation": the societal and economical aspects of Fukushima accident can be worse than the radiation itself
english.hani.co.kr
by spanish_reader 4/9/2011 1:08:23 PM

www.nytimes.com

“It’s a little like pulling a thread out of your tie,” said the executive, who spoke on the condition of anonymity to protect business connections in Japan. “Any breach gets bigger.”

Broken pieces of fuel rods have been found outside of Reactor No. 2, and are now being covered with bulldozers, he said. The pieces may be from rods in the spent-fuel pools that were flung out by hydrogen explosions.
by spanish_reader 4/9/2011 1:11:28 PM

Hey all, just posted some images on the "other side" and it was suggested to post them here again (posted them here a while back but many might have missed them) so here goes. First image is one of the first thermals that were released, we are looking for the yellow heat sig. at the top beside the "www..."
by Canadian 4/9/2011 1:16:15 PM

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by Canadian via I140.photobucket 4/9/2011 1:16:36 PM

zoomed: <img src="pics\barref3.jpg" border="0" alt="Photobucket">
by Canadian via I140.photobucket 4/9/2011 1:17:13 PM

@ Nancy -could be part of demands for a forceful international regulatory body
by UKVal 4/9/2011 1:17:53 PM

From the High res images note the askew boxes as a reference:
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by Canadian via I140.photobucket 4/9/2011 1:17:59 PM

and from another angle:
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by Canadian via I140.photobucket 4/9/2011 1:18:20 PM

6.1
Date-Time Saturday, April 09, 2011 at 12:57:49 UTC
Saturday, April 09, 2011 at 09:57:49 PM at epicenter

Location 30.013°N, 131.810°E
Depth 21.3 km (13.2 miles)
Region KYUSHU, JAPAN
Distances 212 km (131 miles) S of Miyazaki, Kyushu, Japan
213 km (132 miles) SE of Kagoshima, Kyushu, Japan
948 km (589 miles) SSE of SEOUL, South Korea
973 km (604 miles) SW of TOKYO, Japan

earthquake.usgs.gov
by UKVal 4/9/2011 1:18:31 PM

some new HD pictures on cryptome cryptome.org
btw. is there a way to search inside the blog? tried google advanced search, doesn't work
by ifz 4/9/2011 1:33:06 PM

@Canadian: any idea what that is? looks like rusted iron plates..
by ifz 4/9/2011 1:36:34 PM

@ifz we were just talking about that on the other side, since it is an early thermal it is possible it is building material that was exposed to radiated water
by Canadian 4/9/2011 1:37:27 PM

Midday 9 apr reactor parameters: www.meti.go.jp
by Markfm 4/9/2011 1:48:01 PM

Cross-posting from the other room...

@Canadian good moring, when playing where waldo.... the pic posted earieler 1) reg then 1)thermal.... to the left of the rusty things..... (i am not able to look at outside my computor, yet but on the regular pic (to the left .. looks like pipe runs over turn downward with a 90 deg ell that is dumping into "maybe a pit/trench) that runs underground...then on normal pic look at the concrete form.... (it surround ell bolew) on the thermal it resembles the same oulline as a building, but i don't see a (above ground) building.... when looking at the themals it looks like to to be able to see where and when the pipi runs underground.... Summary...maybe some of the heat signitures are underground also...am going to try and get my spouse to print some tommarow.... i need to see pic together
by fitter
by alblee 4/9/2011 1:52:04 PM

Cross-posting from the other room ...

canadian .. before any fuel moves to a dry cask it must decay to a point where it is generating a limited amount of heat from safety analysis of the storage cask.. ie: cant heat to melt... that power level is usually 300 watts of power. The limit could be higher for the larger commercial spent fuel but it's not a whole lot. if the fuel hasn't cooled.. movement to another storage area becomes more challenging.. and may have to have some water filled cask with a cooling system etc.
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by alblee 4/9/2011 1:54:15 PM

Asahi.com 04/10/2011: Aftershocks expose risks of emergency power at nuclear facilities www.asahi.com QUOTE: "The massive aftershock Thursday compromised power supply systems and emergency generators at nuclear power facilities in northeastern Japan, sparking concern that plant operators are still unprepared to avert another crisis." The two nuclear plants referenced in the article are both operated by Tohoku Electric Power Co.: Higashidori nuclear power plant in Aomori Prefecture; and Onagawa nuclear power plant in Miyagi Prefecture.
by James Ward 4/9/2011 1:55:52 PM

@alblee Was wondering why the tech speculation has moved to the other room?
by Sin 4/9/2011 2:05:13 PM

I speculate here :) marines conduct drill on nbc in japan, kyodo english.kyodonews.jp
by Markfm 4/9/2011 2:07:35 PM

New pics stay on the entry page and scroll cryptome.org
by elainekirk 4/9/2011 2:12:20 PM

@Canadian I still look at those images of the big rust-colored plates and just think black body radiation. They're fairly dark, so they'd absorb radiation pretty well, and then radiate heat, I would think. The photo images appear to have been taken on a reasonably sunny day, and if the infrared images were taken on or shortly after a sunny day I wonder if that might explain the higher temps observed for those items. FWIW, I'd be most interested in seeing/confirming an early-am shot with IR to take that type of black-body radiation out of the picture - can anyone say what time those thermal images were taken? If we don't know, then too much of what we see might just be that type of black-body stuff.
by pj 4/9/2011 2:20:38 PM

@elainekirk Whoever it was that said (long ago when the first control room pics came out) that one control room looked too neat to have gone through a 9.0+ quake, I TOTALLY agree with you after seeing the other images from different areas of the plant.
by pj 4/9/2011 2:22:16 PM

@spanish_reader I don't specifically disagree with Gundersons opinions, but using terms like "core..is rubble", is non scientific and somewhat misleading and alarmist. He has several pretty good videos www.fairewinds.com but he is also part of a liability office "We specialize in environmental and energy litigation and federal and state administrative law, and we strive to achieve the best possible outcome for our clients." So look at the credentials of these "experts" (he has good creds) but also look at what they do for a living and evaluate them for bias. As for the highly radioactive liquid, it is a huge problem and I don't know of a case of rad salt water being processed in any quantity.
by RBean 4/9/2011 2:25:05 PM

@pj www.japantimes.co.jp At an emergency operation room on the second floor of the building, Masao Yoshida, the head of the plant, and other senior officials are in contact with Tepco's headquarters in Tokyo via a large teleconferencing system that is online 24 hours a day, reporting on work progress.

Several television sets are also installed in the room to follow broadcasts about Tepco and the nuclear crisis, while employees also track reactions to the disaster, both at home and abroad, on the Internet. search.japantimes.co.jp The fact they failed (until pushed) to provide workers with adequate equipment and food, the fact that this disaster appears to have been mismanaged does not mean (it seems) that they do not have hi tech the 'boys toys' seem to be all present and correct
by elainekirk via Japantimes.co.jp 4/9/2011 2:28:07 PM

@pj Ok, just so I'm interpreting what you are saying right, you are saying it is absorbed heat radiating like wearing a black shirt on a sunny day?... if that is the case, then why are the two boxes we used for reference showing a heat sig? they are black ...
by Canadian 4/9/2011 2:29:02 PM

Why aren't not are the boxes showing a heat sig...
by Canadian 4/9/2011 2:29:36 PM

@RBean Do you think it's reasonable to assume that based on Gundersen's credentials he might have some very valid reasons for stating that the "core...is rubble"? Just my opinion, but the constant nit-picking by posters of comments made by credible experts is getting a little old. If TEPCO had been much more truthful and forthcoming in the beginning we wouldn't have to rely on outside experts to give us reasonable explanations of what's going on at Fukushima.
by James Ward 4/9/2011 2:32:49 PM

@All Those two recent images are daytime images - My guess would early evening - there is debris on the ground with residual heating.
by George Gibb 4/9/2011 2:33:10 PM

www.cnn.com This is a story about a video of the tsunami hitting the plant, I remember there was speculation a few days ago about the height of water at the plant, and according to this article it was 48 feet.
by Sin 4/9/2011 2:34:17 PM