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  • TEPCO filling containment vessels; experts raise doubts...
    "It is the world's first attempt to saturate the entire containment vessel with water with the aim of cooling the pressure vessels inside the containment vessels and ultimately the reactor cores themselves. The amount of water injected into the pressure vessels is about one ton larger per hour than the amount that evaporates due to the intense heat from the fuel rods. " www.asahi.com

    The water level at the No. 1 reactor has been raised to about 6 meters above the bottom of the containment vessel. That level is 3 meters below the bottom of the pressure vessel.

    But TEPCO has been unable to verify the water levels at the No. 2 and No. 3 reactors, and suspect that water is leaking from the damaged containment vessels.
    by Reed 4/26/2011 1:57:27 AM

  • High radiation levels detected at plant... www.asahi.com
    by Scilla 4/26/2011 1:59:03 AM

  • Japan readies own robot to probe crippled nuclear plant...
    "Recognized as the world leader in robotic technology, Japan will finally deploy its own robot at the crippled Fukushima No. 1 nuclear power plant after relying on U.S.-made versions to do all the work.

    The Quince, equipped with an arm, a camera and sensors, is set to survey radiation levels, temperatures and other conditions inside reactor buildings.

    Tokyo Electric Power Co. has used PackBots, manufactured by U.S. company iRobot Corp., to measure radiation levels and other data in reactor buildings and take photographs. But Japan is known for its advanced robotic technology, and the current crisis at Fukushima No. 1 is a chance to utilize it and gain experience in a real-life disaster situation." www.asahi.com
    by Reed 4/26/2011 2:01:49 AM

  • @Reed AND..therby not having to disclose levels....
    by VeenOui 4/26/2011 2:03:11 AM

  • Thanks, @Reed. Methinks the "delay" in deploying them just now may be attributed to the possibility that they needed time to harden and custom-fit these things, because they don't come off-the-shelf or production shops Fukushima-ready.

    > @Reed, citing Asahi News: Japan readies own robot to probe
    > crippled nuclear plant...
    by ALBLEE edited by alblee 4/26/2011 2:08:20 AM

  • Would be good to have somebody in-the-know regarding the Quince Fukushimabots to find a way to get smoking-gun data out... <hinting, hinting, wink wink>
    by ALBLEE 4/26/2011 2:10:27 AM

  • @Reed. Does this plan hold water - either figuratively or literally?
    by Scilla 4/26/2011 2:10:47 AM

  • by Mark Dolar 4/26/2011 2:16:15 AM

  • Reed.. I thought it would end like that.. filling things.. we discussed it a couple of days ago as the fastest way to cool
    by dean 4/26/2011 2:16:27 AM

  • The site below has some radiation source readings. It appears this safecast group is creating an open source public network of radiation sensors in Japan.
    by Mark Dolar 4/26/2011 2:18:15 AM

  • @ALBLEE The article discusses the amount of time that it will take to train operators to use the robots. I hope that some unbeholden operator/contractor starts to disclose some data soon to the list of banned journalists both domestic and foreign.
    @Scilla Not any way one looks at it. Imagine the consequences if there is an earthquake...all that mass and pressure would destroy what precarious containment there is now.
    by Reed 4/26/2011 2:19:34 AM

  • @dean Yes, but the problems of circulating water in a closed environment and the inherent dangers of changing the masses and centers of gravity in weakned structures, seem to be a prescription for another disaster.
    by Reed 4/26/2011 2:23:57 AM

  • Hey guys this is george's son, Is there any reading of radiation lvls in the america's?
    by George Gibb 4/26/2011 2:25:23 AM

  • @George Gibb have you checked radnet? cdxnode64.epa.gov
    by Nancy 4/26/2011 2:30:15 AM

  • @Mark Dolar That's pretty good. I think they have more monitors than when I saw it last time. Just pulling out the calc and doing some yearly totals and you say whoa, then maybe look at a few more and say that's not that bad. So it really is where you are and what's happening with the environment. The Japanese government is going to have a hard time with people trying to live in many of those places and their return in a few months is just not sound. I can say though, I do believe the data on that one.
    by Jim Carver 4/26/2011 2:32:30 AM

  • by VeenOui via Yomiuri.co.jp 4/26/2011 2:36:17 AM

  • @dean Hey dean, what's up? I think that it's pretty easy to recieve a Sv a year or more in the 10km zone, after that it becomes a little more managable. I wouldn't live in 100 mi. of the place for any long stretch.
    by Jim Carver 4/26/2011 2:37:09 AM

  • TEPCO releases map of Fukushimanuclear power plant that shows results of a survey of radiation levels at the site. bit.ly
    by VeenOui 4/26/2011 2:38:36 AM

  • @VeenOui One thing I noticed on the other map of this is how
    hot the plumbing is..to be expected I suppose. This one's a little easier to read on the scrib.
    by Jim Carver 4/26/2011 2:40:57 AM

  • @Jim Carver Notice it says Taken ?Staurday OR earlier....so again no way to know when this was
    by VeenOui 4/26/2011 2:41:55 AM

  • @radioguy Out in the pasture!:) You know they're native to Texas? Only two nuts that are.
    by Jim Carver 4/26/2011 2:42:19 AM

  • @VeenOui Yeah, really, somebody sent me some stuff a little while ago and I need to check it and see if this jives.
    by Jim Carver 4/26/2011 2:44:12 AM

  • Check out the one debris pile they say was 900 before they cleared it. That probably was parts of spent fuel rods to be that hot.
    by Jim Carver 4/26/2011 2:51:50 AM

  • Huge Search Begins for Tsunami Victims...
    "The massive search is being joined by the US military, Japanese navy divers, underwater robots and 90 helicopters that will scour the seas off hundreds of miles of coastline." www.independent.co.uk
    by Reed 4/26/2011 2:54:39 AM

  • “I don’t think the end of Fukushima accident is in sight”
    rt.com
    Philip White, from the Citizen's Nuclear Information Center, says that the situation is Fukushima is worse than the plant's owners are willing to admit.
    Asked if the Tokyo Electric Power Company was reliable, White replied, “I would not be surprised about anything with TEPCO. There are many people in government who are closely affiliated with TEPCO one way or another,” he stressed. “And the bureaucracy has never been strictly monitoring them. There are few areas that are still uncertain and we think they might be covering up some details, but I think all of this will come out as time goes by. At this stage it is more a matter of the analysis that they put on their data, they minimize the seriousness in their statements, they don’t fully wish to recognize just how serious [the situation] is.”
    “The [Japanese] government has proven that it is not interested in giving free and open access to the [Fukushima] site or the information coming out of there,” he said, adding that briefings on the situation “are only open to a selected group of Japanese media organizations – and foreign media and independent journalists are being excluded from those meetings.”
    by Reed 4/26/2011 3:04:01 AM

  • New Berkeley NUC:
    4/25 (7:25pm): Due to the fact that our measured levels in our air samples are approaching our minimum detectable amount we have transitioned from 24 hour sampling periods to 48-72 hour sampling periods. This will allow us to more accurately measure the decreasing levels. This also means that there will be a longer delay between postings. In addition the majority of the BRAWM team is at a conference this week which may add to the delay. We continue to monitor the levels in air, water, milk and the food chain closely.
    4/25 (3:38pm): Air and tap water measurements have been updated with our most recent data. We continue to see no evidence of fission product isotopes in tap water. We have also added insets to the air sampling data graphs so the recent trends are clearer.

    www.nuc.berkeley.edu
    by radioguy 4/26/2011 3:09:36 AM

  • Anyone read the TEPCO data from the News release posted earlier? There were some terminology I didn't understand for values.... 0.0E- 0 means 0.0X10 to the -0 .... so the data for subdrain in unit 2 on the 22nd for I-131= 5.3E+02 that means 5.3X10to the 2nd power... bq/l or cm3. They are only putting out data on I 131 Cs-134 and Cs-137 does this mean anything to any of you?
    by carabnr 4/26/2011 3:40:53 AM

  • Thanks, @ VeenOui.
    Oui oui, yes yes, would be good to gain access to a copy of the original Tepco map mentioned below, which is a repro from The Yomiuri Shimbun ...

    Or I might have misread the map illustration accompanying the Yomiuri report. Seems like the text of the Yomiuri report mentions something that we had already seen a couple of days back, but the illustration on this web story seems new to me, though may well be work of Yomiuri art dept.

    By VeenOu:
    TEPCO releases map of Fukushimanuclear power plant that shows results of a survey of radiation levels at the site.
    bit.ly
    by ALBLEE edited by alblee 4/26/2011 3:42:09 AM

  • @carabnr You're correct on the translation. Simply put...the C-134&137 is now at a level 250 times the previous reading, and the I-131 is 12 times higher than the previous measurement. The fact that they're only reporting those three means that they do not wish to report the other radionuclides that must be present for whatever reason.
    by Reed 4/26/2011 3:51:36 AM

  • Japan’s Terrifying Day Saw Unprecedented Exposed Fuel Rods
    by JMV 4/26/2011 3:53:17 AM

  • Thanks all the amounts get confusing.
    by carabnr 4/26/2011 3:54:11 AM

  • “Before the spent fuel pool ignited, I could put my thumbs under my suspenders and say, ‘yeah that’s a small-break LOCA,’” Morse said, using the industry jargon for “loss of cooling accidents” similar to what occurred at Three Mile Island, Pennsylvania, in 1979.

    “That turned out to be the most terrifying event throughout the whole ordeal,” Morse said. “Now they have no containment structure whatsoever, they don’t even have a roof. I thought that could have been a game changer.”

    Tepco now had three reactors without cooling systems and a fourth with a fire spewing radiation into the air.

    The danger now was an increase in radiation from the spent fuel pool would force workers to withdraw from trying to get the three reactors under control, threatening multiple reactor meltdowns.
    www.bloomberg.com
    by JMV 4/26/2011 3:55:17 AM

  • Considering the relative half-lives of Iodine and Cesium, the fact that each set of successive reported data doesn't seem to show decreasing levels of Iodine vis-a-vis Cesium tends to say that Iodine and Cesium continue to be exuded as the days go by and, so, by inference, also all those other unstated isotopes.
    by ALBLEE 4/26/2011 3:57:14 AM

  • Hmm. Says here I-131 has an 8 day 1/2 life...
    by carabnr 4/26/2011 3:58:22 AM

  • @ALBLEE Ciao!
    @carabnr @dean When they start multiplying previously reported figures by 250...well, that simply says that things have changed and not for the good !
    by Reed 4/26/2011 3:59:11 AM

  • Did you all catch the fairwinds post earlier? That guy Steve Wing from UNC... He's a local friend and he thought the global spread of radionuclides would increase the cancer risks all over and that it would be hard to combat/ protect yourself without civil action.
    by carabnr 4/26/2011 4:01:38 AM

  • AREVA Site Clean-up video.

    by Rob in SF 4/26/2011 4:07:34 AM

  • www.robotshop.com
    FWIW, the Quince 'bots look like iRobot PackBot knock-offs...

    by Rob in SF via Robotshop 4/26/2011 4:12:37 AM

  • Dazzright, @carabn, and so assuming there is no new Iodine release, Iodine would be reduced by half with each 8 days that pass, so if the successive Iodine reports don't show the 8-day downward trend, it means new Iodine keeps being exuded. And so, why are we not surprised, right?

    By carabn:
    > Hmm. Says here I-131 has an 8 day 1/2 life...
    by alblee 4/26/2011 5:34:04 AM

  • tepco releases new photos of building interiors, confirms high rad www.jaif.or.jp
    by marie rich 4/26/2011 6:00:19 AM

  • Would really be good to keep a tight watch of tech and news information (authorized or, especially, unauthorized) generated from the upcoming Quince Fukubot expeditions. Lurkers with the juice, if apprehensive about posting here directly, can contact scribblers (lotsa email addresses pinned upstairs) and we'll be glad to help out.
    by alblee edited by alblee 4/26/2011 6:31:27 AM

  • Have to log off for some hours... Take care, all. Thanks.
    by alblee 4/26/2011 6:37:32 AM

  • Zia jian, Alblee
    by marie rich 4/26/2011 6:48:35 AM

  • Just caught a snippet on our local news, with reference to chernobyl fallout.
    330 farms in Wales still have restrictions and require regular testing to move and sell their sheep.
    by Treiagonaut 4/26/2011 7:03:03 AM

  • Just reading the last NISA report (4/25) www.nisa.meti.go.jp Is someone can explain me why the Iodine131 radioactivity concentration in unit 2 sub drain pit stay at the same level from 4/16 to 4/23?
    by Olivier 4/26/2011 7:29:54 AM

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