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  • @Elaine , if you're not sure, you can always just put it in your folder.
    by Jim Carver 4/25/2011 6:45:14 PM

  • @marie rich I didn't say anything about trenches...
    by Nancy 4/25/2011 6:45:25 PM

  • @Nancy, sorry meant Elaine
    by marie rich 4/25/2011 6:45:54 PM

  • @elainekirk I didn't see it or I would have nabbed a copy. sorry. :-)
    by Nancy 4/25/2011 6:46:21 PM

  • @marie rich Don't mind me, running on a lack of sleep, doesn't take much to confuse me. :-)
    by Nancy 4/25/2011 6:47:00 PM

  • I will go look :)
    by elainekirk 4/25/2011 6:47:02 PM

  • @Nancy Wait, unused mox in 3 SFP ? You mean fresh fuel ?
    by xxx 4/25/2011 6:48:45 PM

  • @xxx It's around there somewhere...not sure where because Tepco doesn't break it down. I think it's in the ground level (common) pool myself. But, nobody knows.
    by Jim Carver 4/25/2011 6:54:30 PM

  • @xxx Mox that is unused has to be stored in a sfp due to its strength. So yes, unused MOX is in the sfp of #3 as far as we can guess. They received multiple shipments of MOX but only have a partial load. If they didn't load all they had it would be in the SFP. I need to see if anyone has run the numbers of total we know they have vs. total that would be the percentage load into the reactor.
    by Nancy 4/25/2011 6:55:32 PM

  • www.tepco.co.jp please can someone archive it. Alblee did a legent for it here
    s3.amazonaws.com

    by elainekirk via S3.amazonaws 4/25/2011 6:56:18 PM

  • Saw these news stories "Busby thinks that if a sarcophagus is put over Fukushima-1, the nuclear fuel might go underground and get washed away by the sea. The US has already started picking up contaminated material with high concentrations of uranium and plutonium washed up on its coastline, he says." rt.com

    TEPCO caused a major loss at a life ins. company that was heavily invested in TEPCO stock online.wsj.com
    by Nancy 4/25/2011 6:57:00 PM

  • Drains etc map here www.tepco.co.jp

    by elainekirk 4/25/2011 6:59:23 PM

  • TY, Elaine. bbl
    by marie rich 4/25/2011 7:04:09 PM

  • @Nancy I think that Busby guy knows about enough to be dangerous. Both those statements are ridiculous, there was not a nuclear explosion and the sea is not going to "wash it away".
    by Jim Carver 4/25/2011 7:04:17 PM

  • @nancy #2 !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    by elainekirk 4/25/2011 7:06:50 PM

  • @elainekirk It looks cool, but I think the kitchen should be larger. ;-O
    by Jim Carver 4/25/2011 7:09:41 PM

  • @Jim Carver There are some things that lean towards some sort of partial criticality may have happened as part of the hydrogen explosion, but people are taking it to an extreme and calling it a nuclear explosion. Worth seeing if some sort of criticality was involved. 3 has some oddities to the explosion, I am not convinced it was a criticality but worth exploring at least some of the new information to see where the new info falls. IE: that the building sucked in before it blew up. It isn't a "sure sign" there was any sort of criticality incident but it does sound like something burned first sucking up air before the big fire ball. That part is interesting but I don't see it as smoking gun. Of course everybody with a blog on the internet has now declared that 3 went off like a bomb. (facepalm) As for polluting the ocean. Someone on physics forum that was supposedly a geologist explained how the fresh water table and salt water table near the shore work. If her theory is right, contamination could be sinking within the fresh water table and passing through to the salt water.
    by Nancy 4/25/2011 7:09:50 PM

  • I would like to see some corroboration about contaminated material washing up on shore in the US also.
    by Nancy 4/25/2011 7:11:23 PM

  • @elainekirk So what is the amazing blue box? :-)
    by Nancy 4/25/2011 7:11:40 PM

  • @Nancy electrical switch box that was smoking www.tepco.co.jp I couldnt decide if the plan was a layer of #2 or ...
    I can hunt happilly all day but I am just that...the hunter others have to decide if my finds are edible and how they should be served,, and archived or not as the case may be.
    but I am certain it is #2 that is without doubt
    by elainekirk 4/25/2011 7:13:03 PM

  • @Nancy That's true, but seepage into the ocean and groundwater is a given whether there's a cover over it or not. Fortunately Japan is not Florida and the basaltic bedrock is fairly impervious except having been fractured by seismicity over the eons. I'm not discounting the probability of fission taking place or chugging either. Just the fact that he sensationalizes it saying a "nuclear explosion", bs, reactors can't physically do that. Chernobyl didn't even do that, that was a different case involving graphite. I'm sure you know that, but anyway.
    by Jim Carver 4/25/2011 7:18:01 PM

  • A cover over it would help exclude rain water, and that's what we want when the time comes.
    by Jim Carver 4/25/2011 7:20:03 PM

  • @elainekirk keep digging, I will try to muck through all those this evening and see what we get. :-) almost anything with drawings we can link back is worth saving.
    by Nancy 4/25/2011 7:20:20 PM

  • Gotta go get a few things done, will be back later this afternoon.
    by Nancy 4/25/2011 7:20:52 PM

  • @Nancy see ya
    by Jim Carver 4/25/2011 7:22:08 PM

  • @ Jim Carver I wouldn't dismiss Busby quite so quickly. Bear in mind that RT was uinlikely to bother with giving his sources. From what I've read he usually has grounds for what he says.
    by UKVal 4/25/2011 7:22:29 PM

  • @UKVal I like RT's reporting. But that guy is half-baked or looking for an audience.
    by Jim Carver 4/25/2011 7:23:36 PM

  • @ Jim I'm pretty sure he's neither half baked or looking for an audiience.
    by UKVal 4/25/2011 7:25:09 PM

  • or half an audience looking for a bakery...
    by jay 4/25/2011 7:31:20 PM

  • @jay good one
    by Jim Carver 4/25/2011 7:35:58 PM

  • Just a reminder incase we forget: "The spent fuel was moved from the plant's reactors to storage pools only a year ago, "which means relative to its radioactive decay it's still what we call fresh fuel and gives off quite a bit of heat as it decays," said Alvarez, now a senior scholar at the Institute for Policy Studies. Alvarez said the storage pools, elevated several stories above ground and not in a containment dome like the nuclear reactors themselves, have the potential of putting "significant amounts of cesium 137," a byproduct of nuclear fission, into the open air.

    Cancer-causing Cesium 137, he added, "is the really bad actor in this" with its ability to emit penetrating radiation over long periods". Japan storage pools big worry: U.S. nuclear expert. By Richard Cowan
    WASHINGTON | Fri Mar 18, 2011 2:27pm EDT Reuters
    by Tenzing 4/25/2011 7:36:20 PM

  • Of course all the spent pools have Pu in them anyway since that is a product of fission as discussed before.
    by Jim Carver 4/25/2011 7:44:41 PM

  • From Wikipedia discussion on Busby : 'Busby is a significant figure in radiation protection, whether you agree or disagree with his findings and assertions. He has been on two UK government committees and among other things has recently had an article article published by the United Nations disarmament forum. He is a Guest Researcher in a German Federal Institution and a Visiting Professor at a British University. He has several peer-reviewed publications and was recently the subjest of the main science news story in the prestigious New Scientist journal. Since his discoveries and writings are fatal to the nuclear industry, he is continuously attacked by nuclear industry hacks and supporters and this is more easy to do when they are writing on blogs and in a way that their identity and connections are secret' en.wikipedia.org
    by UKVal 4/25/2011 7:59:41 PM

  • Where are the quake peeps these are the seismic testing results if anybody can fathom them
    www.tepco.co.jp


    www.tepco.co.jp
    by elainekirk 4/25/2011 8:07:54 PM

  • hi all.. back for a bit
    by dean 4/25/2011 8:13:15 PM

  • @dean Hi
    by elainekirk 4/25/2011 8:14:02 PM

  • @dean it seems very quiet doesn't it
    by elainekirk 4/25/2011 8:18:52 PM

  • Had some fun this weekend and missed you all a lot. How's things been... Heard about the atmospheric rad leak of 154 Terra-bq since April 5. so 20 days of that... What does that mean?
    by carabnr 4/25/2011 8:25:49 PM

  • new arne gundersen/fairwinds video asking nrc to halt extensions untirl fuku is analzed and undesrstood www.fairewinds.com
    by marie rich 4/25/2011 8:27:57 PM

  • yes elaine it sure does
    by dean 4/25/2011 8:32:38 PM

  • That guy Steve Wing is a friend of moine
    by carabnr 4/25/2011 8:32:46 PM

  • @all I remember, No Quote TEPCO saying they had to continiously pump down ground water levels. They said something like..... We took samples from pits that we normally pumped down ground water levels from, to prevent the plant from damage below ground. Anyone can remember and pull that out of the hat?
    by RBean 4/25/2011 8:34:31 PM

  • @dean what are your thoughts on the location of the yellow containment cap for Unit 3? Its pretty dam big to simply vanish into think air.
    by Tenzing 4/25/2011 8:34:38 PM

  • Interestign what he's saying on the fairewinds site... It's harder to prevent exposure to change the dose significantly here in the US.... it's hard to handle this as individuals
    by carabnr 4/25/2011 8:34:44 PM

  • Does anyone have photos of Unit 4 prior to the final (so far) explosion of unit 3?
    by Tenzing 4/25/2011 8:35:40 PM

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