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  • @dean A couple of things I noticed. Someone sent me a youtube video of the building sucking itself inward right before the fireball explosion. Whatever caused that part was eating lots of oxygen right before the initial fireball. It makes me wonder if there was an initial fire or blast etc inside that then ignited the built up hydrogen. No clue if some sort of criticality could do that or not but it seems like something "started" the chain of events.
    by Nancy 4/25/2011 11:57:27 PM

  • @colormered GREAt, thanks a lot for destroying any bit of hope i had left to get some news ......you do know, that it is your job now to squeeze your connection right ?
    by VeenOui 4/25/2011 11:58:10 PM

  • @VeenOui would be nice to know at what level they are sharing data or info with the press. I am guessing an announced press release and try to push them out the door. I know there are a few mainstream media people in Japan trying to get real answers but they are having a hard time.
    by Nancy 4/25/2011 11:59:55 PM

  • @colourmered when someone posts for the first time they go into mod and the mod sets them to auto approve and all posts go through from then on. There is a glitch which for some reason put regulars into mod indiscriminately I have no idea why and do try to check regularly ]
    by elainekirk 4/26/2011 12:00:02 AM

  • www.tepco.co.jp this is the 17th so you probably have it

    by elainekirk 4/26/2011 12:04:04 AM

  • translation of previous post translate.google.co.uk
    by elainekirk 4/26/2011 12:05:10 AM

  • @Rob in SF: 4250 Sv/hour ??? Isn't that measurement fault? How can this possibly bee???
    by Optim 4/26/2011 12:11:59 AM

  • I think the 4250 is mm of water, not Sv. In the raw stats summary page -- it shows up as mm.
    by Deirdre 4/26/2011 12:12:59 AM

  • @Nancy Japan is supposedly Democratic, shutting down the media will eventually have people forthcoming with information..whistleblowers......there is simply no way to keep this quiet
    by VeenOui 4/26/2011 12:20:05 AM

  • @VeenOui I know. But getting the right people to find the safe venue to pass information is a bit of a challenge. People whistleblowing after the fact doesn't help right now when we need that info.
    by Nancy 4/26/2011 12:21:21 AM

  • @Nancy I don't think JPN can afford to keep a lid on this cause their enemies will use this to create propaganda of a country falling apart
    by VeenOui 4/26/2011 12:22:42 AM

  • @VeenOui But how to shake loose that information right now.
    by Nancy 4/26/2011 12:24:37 AM

  • Radioactive water in No.3 and 4 reactors rises
    The operator of the disaster-hit Fukushima Daiichi nuclear power plant says the level of radioactive water has risen in the Number 3 and Number 4 reactors.

    The levels of radioactive water in the power plant are hampering efforts to restore its functions. Tokyo Electric Power Company, or TEPCO, is moving highly radioactive water from the tunnel of the No. 2 reactor to a temporary storage facility.

    The utility company says the water level in the tunnel of the No. 3 reactor rose to 99 centimeters below the surface as of 6 PM on Monday. That passes the level at which TEPCO plans to remove the water, but it has yet to secure storage space.

    The water level in the basement of the No.3 reactor's turbine building also rose by 10 centimeters over 3 days.

    TEPCO says a survey last Thursday found an increase in the density of radioactive substances in the water in the basement of the No. 4 reactor's turbine building.

    The company says the levels of cesium-134 and 137 increased about 250-fold and iodine-131 increased about 12 times compared with one month ago.
    TEPCO says contamination of this level requires them to prioritize the transfer or disposal of the water.

    The water level in the No. 4 reactor's turbine building rose by 20 centimeters in 10 days.

    TEPCO says water used to cool the No. 3 reactor could be leaking into No. 4 as their turbine buildings are connected.
    Tuesday, April 26, 2011 07:54 +0900 (JST). www3.nhk.or.jp
    by LM 4/26/2011 12:28:30 AM

  • @Nancy humanitarians..Greenpeace..although i believe GP is probably under 24x7 surveilance by now
    by VeenOui 4/26/2011 12:30:02 AM

  • @Optim That could be the reading INSIDE the containment vessel. Or as Deidre asserts, it's the water level indication in mms. Great data, huh?
    by Rob in SF 4/26/2011 12:34:15 AM

  • @LM with this info I wonder if that insanely high sVh is possible? Would it make way into the supression chamber though? could it back fill in through a broken pipe? Like one that is in the turbine or other area? Either way they are quickly running out of places to put water.
    by Nancy 4/26/2011 12:41:46 AM

  • We need another leaked US Gov. doc.
    In the meantime:

    This paper outlines the initial list of lessons learned from the multiple sequence of events, some interpretations of the news releases and the aspects of safety culture that contrast Japan and the U.S. during crisis management.

    It is based largely on events of the first three weeks and professional interpretation of publically accessible information. It is being released without peer review and in this summary form. Only the provisionally conclusive lessons learned are noted below.
    djysrv.blogspot.com
    by Rob in SF 4/26/2011 12:42:01 AM

  • @Rob in SF the charts state it to be sVh but I agree it looks very odd. There has been some concern that there is fuel or very radioactive objects down in the reactor well, something could have fallen into containment? There have been hot spots around and possibly in the reactor well of 4 that they have to spray
    by Nancy 4/26/2011 12:44:16 AM

  • @Nancy If the sfp rods in both 3 & 4 are heating up and becoming more and more damaged I wouldn't be surprised if all the leaking water was more and more radioactive. It's eventually going to become impossible to deal with the pools of water....unfortunately.
    by LM 4/26/2011 12:47:38 AM

  • @Nancy I think #3 is the wrench. I don't know if 3 & 4 share a trench, but if they do and 3's core is leaking, they will have big numbers soon enough. The other question is, are we getting 'real' data? Can readings be considered reliable? I'm not sure we know that answer.
    by LM 4/26/2011 12:54:01 AM

  • @LM I feel like this whole thing has been slowly spinning out of control, maybe that's why the shutdown of information? Since late last week info largely dried up but they have told the media that the SFP at 3 and 4 are becoming a larger problem. They keep heating up and they are running out of place to put water. They are also worried about the structure of 4. They put a maximum of how much water they could put through it but have exceeded it twice now over the weekend & today. They have admitted 4's sfp is not structurally sound and it seems to be leaking more and more. What if they can't keep water in it? If 4 burns or collapses will they be able to continue to water 3? It sounds like a potential where people could not get into the area. I think there is still potential for a large release into the air if one of these pools burns or worse.
    by Nancy 4/26/2011 12:55:43 AM

  • @LM I wonder if the water can get too "hot" for the decontamination units?
    reva SA will deliver a decontamination unit to Japan's crippled nuclear power plant, where Tokyo Electric Power Co. is removing radioactive water so it can start repairing cooling pumps and power systems.
    Areva will set up the water treatment plant, which separates and recovers radioactive particles
    news.businessweek.com
    by Rob in SF 4/26/2011 1:00:06 AM

  • @Nancy I absolutely agree! They are having continuous aftershocks And no one can tell any of us that those buildings are sound. One or 2 good 6's or (1) 7.0 near the plant and we're all in a world of hurt...especially the people of Japan. I honestly think they already know that
    by LM 4/26/2011 1:00:12 AM

  • @Nancy Now, what would happen if this really becomes a danger for the US via Plumes??.........i mean for real or another country closer by, that is not friendly.........you think they would stand by and allow a danger to come into their country ?.....i am willing to bet that all sorts of spy satellites are keeping a very close look on this
    by VeenOui 4/26/2011 1:01:33 AM

  • @you However the weather has played a vital role in covering it all up.......hmmmmmmm , radioguy and Haarp.....that would work, create a weather pattern where no one can look.....the possibilities are endless.........so any russian ships in the region ?
    by VeenOui 4/26/2011 1:03:24 AM

  • I keep waiting to hear they're scrapping the MegaFloat™ idea and are now looking for a supertanker...
    by Rob in SF 4/26/2011 1:03:32 AM

  • @Rob in SF I don't know the answer to that, but it's definitely possible the water will get too hot to be moved in the first place. I'll have to see if I can dig up any info on it. I wonder how long it will take Areva to build it? Likely...too late.
    by LM 4/26/2011 1:03:38 AM

  • @LM "it's definitely possible the water will get too hot to be moved in the first place." That's what I was hinting at...
    by Rob in SF 4/26/2011 1:04:32 AM

  • @VeenOui I was thinking the same the other week. A lot going on behind the scene. There also are the satillite imaginings going on.
    by MaryW 4/26/2011 1:04:46 AM

  • @Rob in SF as in if it is such a high sVh nobody would be able to handle changing hoses, moving tanks etc?
    by Nancy 4/26/2011 1:05:14 AM

  • @Nancy Yes, sadly robots are not nearly as dexterous as needed.
    by Rob in SF 4/26/2011 1:06:02 AM

  • tepco cam looks like "all is calm" pointscope01.jp

    by Nancy via Pointscope01.jp 4/26/2011 1:08:35 AM

  • @MaryW Big drone bird overhead... (They don't mention the classified sensors.):
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    The Raytheon-built EISS enables Global Hawk to scan large geographic areas and produce outstanding high-resolution reconnaissance imagery. To provide Global Hawk with its broad sensing, night vision and radar detection capabilities, EISS combines a cloud-penetrating synthetic aperture radar (SAR) antenna with a ground moving target indicator (GMTI), a high resolution electro-optical (EO) digital camera and an infrared (IR) sensor. A common signal processor, acting as an airborne super-computer, ensures that all elements work together.

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    Using the coordinates of a signal’s location, our military customers can engage sensors, and even weapons systems, to direct network-centric operations and intelligence.
    www.raytheon.com
    by Rob in SF 4/26/2011 1:09:23 AM

  • There was an article posted on here about Three-Mile Island, and it stated that it took three years for them to get the reactor under control. Can you imagine the time it will take to get these 6 and the other nuclear plant's reactors all in the safe mode again?
    by MaryW 4/26/2011 1:10:58 AM

  • @Nancy @Rob in SF That's exactly what I was getting at.... They might not be able to physically get the water to the de-con facility if the dose gets much higher. I personally don't think they'll even use a tanker...dumping is going to look better and better to them...unfortunately for us.
    by LM 4/26/2011 1:12:22 AM

  • Any new developments in the last days? I was off due to easter and to general lazyness.
    by Salvador 4/26/2011 1:13:08 AM

  • Cleared @Salvador just now, as I log in.
    by ALBLEE 4/26/2011 1:14:16 AM

  • @LM I'm still hoping they'll use a tanker to ferry the hot water over to the trench before dumping.
    by Rob in SF 4/26/2011 1:14:31 AM

  • @Nancy Yes, the US is observing 24/7. Maybe its a good thing we don't hear from them. No news is good news. I would hate to have the sirens go off and an announcement be made.
    by MaryW 4/26/2011 1:14:45 AM

  • @Rob in SF That certainly sounds better than just funneling it right out to sea.
    by LM 4/26/2011 1:16:36 AM

  • 2.8 EQ in Baja 35 minutes ago. I actually felt that one...kind of unusual. We normally don't feel anything below 4 or so.
    by LM 4/26/2011 1:20:12 AM

  • Operation Tomodachi www.pacaf.af.mil Global Hawk seems to be part of this.
    by Nancy 4/26/2011 1:22:48 AM

  • Continued radiation leaks from crippled nuke plant pose serious threat bit.ly
    by VeenOui 4/26/2011 1:35:56 AM

  • ***ERSTROM to the rescue!?
    www.***erstrom.se/?s=deco_products&lang=eng&gclid=CKCtio2FuagCFRpVgwodcUHJBw
    by Rob in SF 4/26/2011 1:36:45 AM

  • Oh, c-mon auto-censor!!! F-A-G-erstrom...
    by Rob in SF 4/26/2011 1:37:27 AM

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