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  • @Rob in SF lol! I thought that post had sunk into oblivion already. It's water that hot dogs were cooked in, saved by a child of the great depression
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    by Askwhy 5/2/2011 2:55:31 PM

  • @dean A chest scan will pick up thyroid, chest and stomach/intestine internal emmitters. These things are real sensitive and need to be in extreme low background or shielded area. Obviously only detect gamma, not alpha or beta. Better easy reference for limits In this report, the BIER V committee indicated that the risk of cancer death is 0.08% per rem for doses received rapidly (acute exposure). The risk from doses received over a long period of time (chronic exposure) might be as little as 0.04% per rem or 2-4 times lower. www.colorado.edu
    by RBeaner 5/2/2011 2:55:35 PM

  • @Askwhy Oh, that's soup.
    by Rob in SF 5/2/2011 2:56:06 PM

  • @dean OK grandaughter had a problem, got tied up talk later
    by fitter 5/2/2011 2:58:03 PM

  • @Askwhy Estimated dose (in US) has a formal process, but times can be fudged slightly, dose rate and sample results vary each time they are performed and can result in "favorable adjusted results".
    by RBeaner 5/2/2011 2:58:04 PM

  • @RBeaner Ahh, I see what you are saying. I wasn't sure what the dose calculator you linked to was meant to imply, but I gotcha now. Yup.
    by Askwhy 5/2/2011 2:59:00 PM


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  • @Rob in SF sending all my bad energy to your job possibility
    by bo 5/2/2011 2:59:45 PM

  • @dean My take is that Japan used to have lower "control Levels" than US, especially for the direct workers, but their actual limits, even their new emergency levels for workers, are similar to ours.
    by RBeaner 5/2/2011 2:59:45 PM

  • Belated release of radiation forecast data
    The Japanese government is about to begin releasing data projecting the spread of radiation from the Fukushima Daiichi nuclear plant that it initially withheld for fear of causing panic.

    The data in question is in a computer system called SPEEDI that predicts the spread of radioactive substances based on actual radiation measurements at various locations and weather conditions.

    A joint task force of the government and Tokyo Electric Power Company says about 5,000 undisclosed bits of data will be released from Tuesday.

    The information will be carried on the websites of the science ministry, the Nuclear and Industrial Safety Agency, and the Nuclear Safety Commission.
    The secretary-general of the joint task force and prime the minister's advisor, Goshi Hosono, apologized for the delay in releasing the data.

    Hosono said the task force withheld the information because some data were based on overly rigorous assumptions and feared it may trigger panic.

    But he said the task force now believes that panic can be avoided if it offers proper explanations on the projections. He also promised to promptly release all such data in the future.

    Hosono said the task force will carry out a monthly check of how TEPCO is proceeding with its plan to bring the nuclear crisis under control.

    The utility firm announced a recovery roadmap on April 17th that calls for stabilizing the situation in 6 to 9 months.

    Monday, May 02, 2011 19:34 +0900 (JST)
    www3.nhk.or.jp
    by estacion 5/2/2011 3:03:48 PM

  • @estacion I'm not surprised at withholding the dat earlier, but this really surprises me "task force will carry out a monthly check of how TEPCO is proceeding ", monthly...monthly???
    by RBeaner 5/2/2011 3:06:38 PM

  • @Rob In the photo you posted, you get the glow going laterally from the one element, notice the rest of the cells in the assembly are pretty dark, looked at end-on. There's just not much end-fire.
    by Markfm 5/2/2011 3:06:53 PM

  • "But he said the task force now believes that panic can be avoided if it offers proper explanations on the projections. He also promised to promptly release all such data in the future." Unless it would cause panic.
    by bo 5/2/2011 3:10:05 PM

  • @bo "I'd be honored to show you around and buy you a drink in the bar closest to ground zero"
    BANZAI!
    I feel bad I haven't returned to N'awlins, but I do love Nippon culture, have always wanted to go, and would go now in a heartbeat. We could shoot a nice doc I suspect. I'm fiddy in a few days, so radiation doesn't intimidate me...
    by Rob in SF 5/2/2011 3:11:57 PM

  • "Already the 145 members of the Marines' elite Chemical Biological Incident Response Force are departing Japan, where they've been supporting radiation remediation efforts in the wake of the March earthquake. The unit has been recalled to the United States, ready to respond to any potential emergency as a result of an attack." abcnews.go.com
    by RBeaner 5/2/2011 3:12:23 PM

  • I have posted a fallout analysis on the tsunami of tears board. www.tsunamioftears.com
    by Bobby1 5/2/2011 3:14:29 PM

  • Another gov't prediction system failed in Fukushima nuclear accident www.japantoday.com "The system was put to the test for its ability this time, but proved useless as the twin disaster was larger than initially envisioned. It still remains unable to collect data from the No. 1 to 5 reactors at the crippled Fukushima plant."
    by Markfm 5/2/2011 3:15:02 PM

  • @Rob in SF well the planes coming this way are empty, so you would have a full aisle to stretch out on. If you want to come in the fall we have the Hiroshima Peace Film Festival which is full of interesting documentaries. Of course coming for the anniversary of the bombing is fascinating, but hot and humid.
    by bo 5/2/2011 3:16:00 PM

  • @Markfm Indeed, but what of post blast displaced assemblies and rods... An assy, laying laterally atop the rack, with little or no water coverage per chance? I'm still dubious, just playing devil's advocate...
    by Rob in SF 5/2/2011 3:20:22 PM

  • @Bobby1 What does the scale on the left measure? TY, btw.
    by marie rich 5/2/2011 3:28:58 PM

  • It would need to be lateral, and the camera would have to have a downward looking angle, else there would need to be a whole lot of them on their sides. Look at the daylight image, several posts below the nighttime. I just don't see a good downward look angle. Couple that with a cheap camera, at healthy distance, and I expect we have nothing more than imager artifacts.
    by Markfm 5/2/2011 3:29:49 PM

  • @Bobby1: I have taken the liberty of adding that analysis you posted also to the FAQ here:
    fukushimafaq.wikispaces.com
    Feel free to edit, delete, or whatnot...
    by Rob in SF 5/2/2011 3:32:14 PM

  • @Markfm I'm with ya'. But the premise of visual radiation from SFP 4 is not far fetched. Where are the aerial/sat HD sensor images...
    by Rob in SF 5/2/2011 3:34:45 PM

  • @Rob in SF I changed the link to refer to the board, rather than the loop.
    by Bobby1 5/2/2011 3:38:32 PM

  • @Bobby1 Nish.
    by Rob in SF 5/2/2011 3:38:55 PM

  • The only photo I saw showed things shaken, but not tipped over. You could see that individual assembly racks were moved, not cleanly aligned. That was only one photo, so maybe they are strewn about liberally elsewhere. though if it was a hydrogen explosion I would expect it to be a shockwave going downward and a bit laterally (depending on explosion center), rather than a lifting event (no propellant under the individual rods to thrust them upwards).
    by Markfm edited by Markfm 5/2/2011 3:39:42 PM

  • @Bo "sending all my bad energy to your job possibility"
    I kinda' need that job, bad economy and all... Honda is dying on me.
    by Rob in SF 5/2/2011 3:41:47 PM

  • @Bo, I can see us at Hiroshima Ground Zero fielding questions live off this board on camera...
    But we're going to need Toshizo. Perhaps I'll get us coffin-rooms in Tokyo... (Heh.)
    by Rob in SF 5/2/2011 3:47:01 PM

  • @Rob in SF then I am sending all of my good energy to your potential job, although Hondas are cheaper here. Hopefully you can get to Japan anyways sometime. The offer for a beer still stands for whenever that is.
    by bo 5/2/2011 3:47:56 PM

  • Goodnight all, it's tatami time here in Nihon
    by bo 5/2/2011 3:50:57 PM

  • @bo I thought Hondas were cheaper here... We assemble them locally. I'm very due for Japan. Not kidding here... Base Civic is like $15,805. automobiles.honda.com
    by Rob in SF 5/2/2011 3:50:59 PM

  • @Rob everyone sells their cars after two years here for a song, just like all the money is crisp and freshly printed
    by bo 5/2/2011 3:52:02 PM

  • @bo Yes, because the engines are legally required to be replaced, no?
    by Rob in SF 5/2/2011 3:53:28 PM

  • Physicians for Social Responsibility, a U.S. nonprofit organization of medical experts, has condemned as "unconscionable" the Japanese government's safety standards on radiation levels at elementary and junior high schools in nuclear disaster-stricken Fukushima Prefecture.



    The PSR statement directly challenges Tokyo's stance that it is safe for schoolchildren to use school playgrounds in the prefecture as long as the dose they are exposed to does not exceed 20 millisieverts over a year.
    search.japantimes.co.jp
    by Rob in SF 5/2/2011 4:00:00 PM

  • Tokyo Electric Power Co. (TEPCO) is struggling to carry out its plans to fill the containment vessel of the Fukushima No. 1 Nuclear Power Plant's No. 1 reactor with water to control radiation emissions, it has emerged.

    Workers have already pumped in more than enough water to fill the containment vessel, but they have not actually seen a rise in the water level. Furthermore, when workers increased the amount of water pumped into the containment vessel, pressure inside the vessel fell, threatening a hydrogen explosion. As a result, workers had to once again reduce the amount of water. When pressure inside the containment vessel falls to a level near regular atmospheric pressure, oxygen can enter the container from outside and react with hydrogen inside to produce an explosion.

    In a news conference on May 1, TEPCO said the amount of water being pumped into the reactor's pressure vessel had been brought back down from 10 to 6 tons per hour. As a result pressure inside the containment vessel rose to 1.4 times normal atmospheric pressure -- about the same level as before the amount of water was increased.

    Officials said the water level inside the reactor's pressure vessel remained almost unchanged -- at about 1.6 meters above the top of the fuel rods -- when the amount of water was temporarily increased. With water pumped into the pressure vessel leaking out, workers estimate that the water level inside the containment vessel stands at about 6 meters, but they do not know the exact level.
    mdn.mainichi.jp
    by Rob in SF 5/2/2011 4:02:38 PM

  • US govt workshop on nuclear waste streams being held in June cryptome.org
    by Nancy 5/2/2011 4:03:41 PM

  • The government has relaxed the standards it will implement when allowing residents living near the crippled Fukushima No. 1 Nuclear Power Plant to temporarily return to their homes to retrieve important items.

    The government's headquarters for local disaster countermeasures met with officials from nine local bodies on May 1 and announced that it would allow up to two people from each household to return to collect items, a shift from its earlier position of allowing only one person to return.
    mdn.mainichi.jp
    by Rob in SF 5/2/2011 4:03:52 PM

  • @Markfm Looks rather pristine.

    by Rob in SF 5/2/2011 4:08:04 PM

  • I do wonder what the water level in #4 basement is like, since it was at 5m high before the last week of dumping another 1170 tons of water in.
    by Markfm 5/2/2011 4:08:41 PM

  • Borrrden got a mention in the WSJ blogs.wsj.com
    by Nancy 5/2/2011 4:09:19 PM

  • @Nancy With that many "r"s?
    by Rob in SF 5/2/2011 4:10:00 PM

  • They should drop some gold fish in there, maybe a little aquarium bubbler.
    by Markfm 5/2/2011 4:10:25 PM

  • Fukushima parents dump radioactive dirt bag at Parliment www.guardian.co.uk
    by Nancy 5/2/2011 4:11:26 PM

  • @Rob in SF I think he spells it that way?
    by Nancy 5/2/2011 4:11:46 PM

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