Japan Earthquake

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Goldfish might be poached, we're talking 190ºF tropical temps...
by Rob in SF 5/2/2011 4:11:57 PM

Yes, borrrden :) I actually thought it was 2 r's, but everyone has changed their name since Nancy got on the watch list.
by Markfm 5/2/2011 4:12:23 PM

@Markfm It's already bubbling, so no bubbler needed...
by Rob in SF 5/2/2011 4:12:46 PM

True, naturally heated aquarium.
by Markfm 5/2/2011 4:13:04 PM

govt setting up no grazing zones www.asahi.com
by Nancy 5/2/2011 4:13:57 PM

Dike to be built at N-plant / Aftershocks, tsunami seen as greatest threat to ending crisis [May 2, 2011]:v www.yomiuri.co.jp

Plans have been announced to build a makeshift dike to help prevent further damage from aftershocks or tsunami at the Fukushima No. 1 nuclear power plant.

The joint headquarters of the government and plant operator Tokyo Electric Power Co. aims to complete the dike and other preventative measures by July, as it believes aftershocks and tsunami are the greatest threats to ongoing efforts to end the crisis.
by es edited by Markfm 5/2/2011 4:14:48 PM

Ties bind Japan nuke sector, regulators [Monday, May 2, 2011, AP]
"Nearly 10 years after Japan's top utility first assured the government that its Fukushima Dai-ichi nuclear power plant was safe from any tsunami, regulators were just getting around to checking out the claim. The move was too little, too late." Full article at: www.gadsdentimes.com
by es 5/2/2011 4:15:32 PM

Handpicked adviser's resignation a blow to Kan [May 2, 2011]: www.yomiuri.co.jp
by es 5/2/2011 4:16:06 PM

@Markfm I'm not on the watch list. :-P they have been too busy catching OBL to worry about blueprints.
by Nancy 5/2/2011 4:17:18 PM

Oh that was weird I was reading a story elaine posted and it just evaporated..
by Nancy 5/2/2011 4:19:36 PM

On May 1st, 2011, we conducted sampling survey of the water in the pit and
the seawater in front of the bar screen near the pit, and conducted
nuclide analysis of radioactive materials in the water. As a result, some
radioactive materials were detected as described in the exhibit.
Accordingly, we have reported the result of the analysis to NISA and the
government of Fukushima Prefecture.

We will continue to conduct the same kind of sampling surveys.
End
* pit: a vertical shaft made of concrete
www.tepco.co.jp
by elainekirk 5/2/2011 4:19:59 PM

sorry it came up toooo looong so I just posted update
by elainekirk 5/2/2011 4:20:23 PM

10 States Call For More Action on Nonproliferation [Monday, May 2, 2011]: www.globalsecuritynewswire.org

"The aim of the so-called Friends of the Nonproliferation Treaty is to "work toward achieving nuclear disarmament and a strengthening of the of the international nonproliferation regime," the chief diplomats of the 10 nations said in a combined declaration.

The countries -- Australia, Canada, Chile, Japan, Germany, Mexico, the Netherlands, Poland, Turkey and the United Arab Emirates -- met in Berlin over the weekend to brainstorm ways to enhance the nonproliferation regime. The group was formed following the 2010 Nuclear Nonproliferation Treaty review conference."
by es 5/2/2011 4:20:58 PM

@Markfm All the external water figures don't make sense. They were closing above the 1 meter alert mark what... 2 weeks ago? (After dumping.) If they're just overflowing, and not dumping, would they tell?
by Rob in SF 5/2/2011 4:23:27 PM

Life in Limbo for Japanese Near Nuclear Plant www.nytimes.com
by Markfm 5/2/2011 4:24:37 PM

Correction, it was only another 1170 tons over April 20 - 27, but it has to be going somewhere, else that pool was near bone dry.
by Markfm 5/2/2011 4:30:45 PM

@Markfm @Rob in SF ...and could the never completed coffer dam have anything to do with the water levels ?
by Reed 5/2/2011 4:32:47 PM

I've got it -- vast amounts of jello dropped by helo, immediately after topping it up with water. Maybe toss in some fruit (but no bananas, don't want to increase the radiation).
by Markfm 5/2/2011 4:34:24 PM

@Reed Yeah, that idea died a quick death. Too late? If people step in water at 2-5+ Sieverts what's really up? That's crazy hot.
by Rob in SF 5/2/2011 4:36:20 PM

@Bobby1 Thanks for the great analysis on the fallout. I used to do a fair amount of rafting, and overlaying that with the killer opening to Koyaanisqatsi it sunk in that the atmosphere is just like a river washing over rocks. In a strong flow, you can get whorls and eddies that can trap and hold everything that falls into them until the current changes., so throughout this crisis, I've wondered where the eddies are.
by radioguy 5/2/2011 4:36:40 PM

@Rob in SF They've been letting water pour out into the sea right before our eyes via that damn dam.
by Reed 5/2/2011 4:38:15 PM

@Markfm "everyone has changed their name since Nancy got on the watch list."
I'm going to Satan in SF
by Rob in SF 5/2/2011 4:39:16 PM

@elainekirk Nice of them to tell there is radiation in the water but provide no numbers. Sigh
by Nancy 5/2/2011 4:39:50 PM

@Reed Damn that damn dam!
by Rob in SF 5/2/2011 4:39:57 PM

I don't sweat it, everyone loves Aussies :)
by Markfm 5/2/2011 4:40:01 PM

@Markfm
by Rob in SF 5/2/2011 4:41:34 PM

So, a question, becasue i'm trying to grasp just how intentionally TEPCO is trying to make this all more confusing to people who have the benefit of an American science education: Wouldn't it be customary to call 1,000 mSv 1.0 Sv? Are they just playing on the fact that a majority of people don't easily trasnlate between even such common measures as milli vs micro?
by radioguy 5/2/2011 4:41:35 PM

@radioguy It's not just that there are eddies, but the eddies are on the move. Sometimes one fades out and a new one pops up. Or a little eddy becomes a big eddy. That huge trough in northern Canada is what has been causing all the wind and storms lately. This is the main eddy, like a pump, taking Fukushima contamination, and depositing it in smaller eddies across North America.
by Bobby1 5/2/2011 4:42:25 PM

www.bigpawsonly.com
@Markfm "everyone loves Aussies"
Yup.
by Rob in SF via Bigpawsonly 5/2/2011 4:42:33 PM

@Nancy Maybe they realize there's just SO much radiation loose there at the plant, those tiny little numbers aren't worth mentioning.
by radioguy 5/2/2011 4:44:05 PM

@radioguy The Units used depends on your bias. People have no idea what the units mean (Sv/hr vs. mSv/hr), but people understand big numbers. So usually tepco releases the smallest # possible.
by RBeaner 5/2/2011 4:44:43 PM

@Bobby1 Right... there will be standing waves, but there will also be the ?moving standing waves" of high pressure cells.
by radioguy 5/2/2011 4:44:46 PM

@Bobby1 The overlay of the "accumulator" map and the rainfall map is ugly.
by radioguy 5/2/2011 4:46:47 PM

@radioguy Yes. 1000mSv sounds much nicer than 1Sv, please don't do the math, American Idol is on in 5 minutes....
by Nancy 5/2/2011 4:48:14 PM

@radioguy That's the main thing, rain combined with accumulation.

We got to get rid of that trough in northern Canada, it is wreaking havoc in the US.
by Bobby1 5/2/2011 4:48:56 PM

The counterclockwise swirl of the accumulating low pressure cell associated with the rainfall updrafts the particles to the center, then they rain out at the training edge. That bears remembering.
by radioguy 5/2/2011 4:49:11 PM

That shows well in that New England gif
by radioguy 5/2/2011 4:49:52 PM

@radioguy It's like a fountain, the center of the trough rains down particles on the sinking air of high-pressure areas around it.
by Bobby1 5/2/2011 4:50:34 PM

yep...a vacuum cleaner with a downward fountain in the middle.
by radioguy 5/2/2011 4:53:13 PM

@radioguy In science, 1,000mSv is not exactly the same as 1.0 Sv. The unit or subunit used should be chosen according to the mathematical significance of the measurements when taken into account the meter's accuracy as well as the mathematical context.
by Pedro Jesus 5/2/2011 4:54:15 PM

@radioguy Usually there is a cold front associated with these things. Usually, after a cold front passes, the air smells and feels fresh and pure. In this case, the radiation is worse after the cold front passes. Especially if it rains after it passes.
by Bobby1 5/2/2011 4:55:21 PM

After the 2007 quake that caused radiation leakage at Tepco's Kashiwazaki Kariwa Nuclear Power Station the NPP was closed and only allowed to restart after being upgraded to meed the 2006 (ammended upwards 2007) quake/tsunami standards issued by goj .....
roll on to 2011 Tepco press release today www.tepco.co.jp

We received an Order(*) from the Minister of Economy, Trade and Industry
that requires the enforcement of emergency countermeasures for further
safety at the Nuclear Power Station. Based on this, in addition to
emergency safety countermeasures at Kashiwazaki Kariwa, we organized a
report regarding the prevention of flooding by tsunamis, and further
countermeasure plans to restore safety which was submitted to the Ministry
of Economy, Trade and Industry (METI) on April 21st, 2011.
(Announced on 21st April 2011)

After the submission of the report, some errors were pointed out to us by
the Nuclear and Industrial Safety Agency (NISA). In response, we amended
the errors and re-submitted the report to the Minister of Economy, Trade
and Industry today.

<amended part>
Emergency countermeasures for safety at Kashiwazaki Kariwa Nuclear Power
Station (implementation report)
The data of the maximum load and others in Units 6 and 7 in "Attachment 4-
(3) 1. a. Function of Alternative Water Injection to Reactors and Spent
Fuel Pools" have been amended. (Please see attachments for details)

by elainekirk 5/2/2011 4:56:30 PM

@Bobby1-looks like a lovely combo for the Philadelphia area on top of what we already have here. Thanks for sharing.
by momof3 5/2/2011 5:00:36 PM

@RBeaner (re: people have no idea what the units mean) I have been struggling with this point, and wondering how best to impress upon people the severity of the numbers I am able to show them.

What I have jotted down is the following statement, and I would appreciate any feedback on how to adjust it for general accuracy, or otherwise improve it while keeping it short and to the point:

For a transient (brief) exposure, Sv can mean cancer or death, but the effects from mSv and uSv are likely negligible.

For a working (repeated) exposure, Sv is likely lethal, mSv can mean cancer, and uSv may even be risky.

For a living (constant) exposure, Sv is lethal, mSv is potentially lethal, and even a few uSv can amount to a variety of cancers.

-- Does that sound about right?
by Askwhy 5/2/2011 5:00:48 PM

@askwhy I am amongst the ones who become confused by all the numbers and will use yours if it is confirmed a nice clear example
by elainekirk 5/2/2011 5:02:46 PM