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the penetrations are of various sizes elaine,, and there are seals to prevent reactor water from leaking out...one type of seal is the graphatar seal which is made of graphite... there are several seal types... when they say there is a hole or holes in the bottom head from the corium they typically are refering to those different sizes of penetration
by dean 5/28/2011 9:55:10 PM- your welcome elaineby dean 5/28/2011 9:55:20 PM
- ralph get a permanent markerby dean 5/28/2011 9:55:43 PM
They always mention about 4 inch holes, do you think those are from the rods or insturmentation Dean?by Ralph Unger 5/28/2011 9:56:36 PM- Sharpie is in my hand, but kB is black.by Ralph Unger 5/28/2011 9:57:19 PM
@ralph if you use the Chrome browser it has built in spell check and highlights mispelt words www.google.comby elainekirk 5/28/2011 9:58:26 PM- Have I ever mispelled a word?
sorry Ralph I thought you meant that realise now you meant speed - daughter is asking what colour sharpie ?by Ralph Unger edited by elainekirk 5/28/2011 9:58:56 PM 
It's raining hard on the cam, but no high wind soundby UKVal 5/28/2011 9:58:56 PM- Ralph.. I would think the largest drives would be the safety rods.. o r blades as they call them..then control rods, then the smaller penetration drives for the nuclear instrumentation drive which positions an ionization chamber in the core
by dean 5/28/2011 10:00:05 PM - I'm a stagehand, we only use black sharpies.
tyby Ralph Unger edited by elainekirk 5/28/2011 10:01:19 PM - @elainekirk is it worth me using Chrome rather than IE? It'd cause all sorts of issues with accessing worksiteby UKVal 5/28/2011 10:02:10 PM
- Or white paint pencils thingies.by Ralph Unger 5/28/2011 10:02:26 PM
@UKVal It has looked like mostly really low clouds over the site...rain-spattered lens so it blows, but the clouds are so low the movement is probably more surface. I doubt its blowing much yet on the mountain.by radioguy 5/28/2011 10:02:36 PM- is that sound a wire blowing and tapping?by radioguy 5/28/2011 10:03:14 PM
- @radioguy dripping water on metal I think - I hear wire tapping sometimesby UKVal 5/28/2011 10:04:04 PM
- @Dean but who knows where the fuel burnt through. Are the control points at the bottom of the reactor?by Ralph Unger 5/28/2011 10:04:06 PM
- bamboo wind chimes? Rain spattering on tubing? it's Identify That SOUnd! (theme music)by radioguy 5/28/2011 10:04:23 PM
- @radioguy It's quite soothing -but I miss the birdsongby UKVal 5/28/2011 10:05:02 PM
@radioguy there is just a gray picture correct?by Nancy 5/28/2011 10:05:05 PM- @UKVal I think so too, so rain but no wind at that height. I wonder if they'll leave it up and on if the storm hits there.by radioguy 5/28/2011 10:05:16 PM
- Yes...it's in thick cloud cover.by radioguy 5/28/2011 10:05:27 PM
- @Nancy yes it's greyby UKVal 5/28/2011 10:05:28 PM
- Onagawa NPP has some pretty high levels? from Fuku I assume but does it mean they are working with protective gear on, I hope so. Daini is listed as 'publicised elsewhere' but no hint as to where www.nisa.meti.go.jpby elainekirk 5/28/2011 10:05:52 PM
- @radioguy oooh good point. I don't know what I'll do if they take it down..by UKVal 5/28/2011 10:06:03 PM
- @UKVal There's your bird. :)by radioguy 5/28/2011 10:09:44 PM
- @radioguy :-)))by UKVal 5/28/2011 10:11:34 PM
- by Ralph Unger 5/28/2011 10:13:33 PM
- @elainekirk we don't hear much about Onagawa - but it's been close to a number of the recent quakesby UKVal 5/28/2011 10:14:39 PM
- @ukval it did have a spiill during an aftershock a while backby elainekirk 5/28/2011 10:17:41 PM
- @nancy have you seen @panserbjornes pin up top?by elainekirk 5/28/2011 10:23:10 PM
- @elainekirk had not til now, thanks!by Nancy 5/28/2011 10:27:46 PM
BACK TO WATER LEVELS
Fukushima I Nuke Plant: Water Levels Rising in Trenches from Reactors 2, 3
If the typhoon No.2 dumps a whole lot of rain, they will overflow. Even if it doesn't, it looks just the matter of time.
From the Ministry of Economy, Trade and Industries (METI)'s press release (in Japanese) on May 28 on the Fukushima I plant conditions, "Water levels at trenches":
Reactor 2 trench water level:
5/7: 880 millimeters (34.65 inches) from the top of grating of the trench
5/14: 760 millimeters (29.92 inches)
5/21: 760 millimeters (29.92 inches)
5/28: 576 millimeters (22.68 inches)
Reactor 3 trench water level:
5/7: 820 millimeters (32.28 inches) from the top of grating of the trench
5/14: 720 millimeters (28.35 inches)
5/21: 640 millimeters (25.20 inches)
5/28: 431 millimeters (16.97 inches)
The top edge of the trenches is at the Onahama Peil (O.P., average sea level used for the plant) plus 4,000 millimeters. In other words, 4 meters (13.12 feet) above sea level.by Veenie 5/28/2011 10:30:08 PM- ooh! trying Google chrome - it does have a spell check! (except it doesn't recognise google or UK English??)
Yeah you have to watch for the z's replacing s's lol but you can just ignore without doing anything it is passive so just acts as a prompt
If you click the spanner top right it has a nifty zoom function in it:)by UKVal edited by elainekirk 5/28/2011 10:30:12 PM - They have NO DOUBT halted Water Cyphening since i posted the original due to some electric work...they never resumedby Veenie 5/28/2011 10:32:04 PM
- @Veenie It seems to me that more of the water will spread around anyway. whether by overflowing. leaks, spills or 'accidental 'spillsby UKVal 5/28/2011 10:38:51 PM
- @veenie you sais saturday/sunday and here we are- only problem for tepco is that they thought the typhoon was going to come along and they could lose it in the ocean but they may have to rethink -by elainekirk 5/28/2011 10:39:06 PM
- @Elaine ty - I'll try itby UKVal 5/28/2011 10:39:28 PM
- @elainekirk quite!by UKVal 5/28/2011 10:39:49 PM
@radioguy - re. the chart headers they are here www.houseoffoust.com @bo's translation was updated by one of our japanese speakers - @dw possibly?by hudebnik 5/28/2011 10:39:49 PM- Nisa/Meti IAEA briefing
"Licensees of reactor operation in Japan have voluntarily implemented their own measures for
preventing severe accidents and mitigating the impacts based on “Accident management as measures
against severe accidents in light water nuclear power reactor facilities (formulated by the NSC on May
”. 1997) , and partially revised on October 20 2828 1992 and partially revised on October 20 1997)"
www.nisa.meti.go.jpby elainekirk 5/28/2011 10:43:11 PM - @radioguy - the units for the CAMS D/W columns are Sv/hrby hudebnik 5/28/2011 10:46:14 PM
- ralph.. yes they are immediately on the bottom head.. there are other penetrations that are up the radius of the bottom head that would be candidates to either melt or... flow throughby dean 5/28/2011 10:47:25 PM
- @hudebnik Oh...heh...those are the Franges... Frange = Flange... that's funny actually.by radioguy 5/28/2011 10:48:45 PM
- @hudebnik All of them?by radioguy 5/28/2011 10:49:41 PM
- by elainekirk 5/28/2011 10:51:19 PM
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