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  • www.iaea.org
    IAEA INTERNATIONAL FACT FINDING EXPERT MISSION OF THE NUCLEAR ACCIDENT FOLLOWING THE GREAT EAST JAPAN EARTHQUAKE AND TSUNAMI
    Summary from IAEA
    by radioguy edited by elainekirk 6/2/2011 9:40:42 PM

  • oops... i was going to add that that's their summary. is that ok?
    by radioguy edited by elainekirk 6/2/2011 9:41:16 PM

  • @Bobby1 at 12:10. "How to protect the face of the palace, a verbal promise of TEPCO I do not know, too much emphasis on process sheet schedule, contaminated water continues to leak in the future." from your link translate.google.com How to protect the face of the palace? And by "palace" they mean....Tepco? Nuclear power? Thanks for this article.
    by ariadne 6/2/2011 10:02:24 PM

  • @Edano So if they've 'plugged' the tunnels, etc., with concrete and there's still more leaks then we have the answer about whether there are fissures and/or bedrock cracks. Bot harmful-= fuku that! Lets see them feed a few glassfuls to their families, then. They make me sick!!!!
    by M.I.A. 6/2/2011 10:04:49 PM

  • Lots of steam on newteppycam, and TBScam. #2 and #4
    by M.I.A. 6/2/2011 10:08:12 PM

  • I loost my tbscam link can someone pass it on?
    by carabnr 6/2/2011 10:10:34 PM

  • by M.I.A. 6/2/2011 10:13:00 PM

  • TY MIA and Elaine
    by carabnr 6/2/2011 10:13:29 PM

  • This is worrying I thought this www.nisa.meti.go.jp showing high reading at onagawa (explained by proximity to fukushima daiichi) but also assumed the high readings at Tokai reprocessing to be the same catching daiichi fallout but it seems not it appears that Tokai has big problems and they are trying to keep plutonium and mox cool
    translate.googleuserconten
    vt.com
    by elainekirk 6/2/2011 10:32:29 PM

  • @elainekirk I've wondered about Tokai since the very beginning when the Ibaraki prefecture readings were so high even with the hills between them. I finally decided I was being paranoid.
    by radioguy 6/2/2011 10:37:08 PM

  • @radioguy I wonder if IAEA have asked about it because that is a new doc that they had quietly filed away
    by elainekirk 6/2/2011 10:39:35 PM

  • Had to rename a prefix, couldn't toll which one fed..so i deleted the erroneous pushes..to be continued..
    I will go make you a coffee
    by Veenie edited by elainekirk 6/2/2011 10:41:09 PM

  • @radioguy It seems from what I can make out that flooding is preventing proper access and that they arent keeping the pools cool and cant get power through but it is really hard to be certain with translations what do you make of it
    by elainekirk 6/2/2011 10:42:38 PM

  • @elainekirk I forgot to tell you..........I will be away tonight my time, so your wake up time or maybe just before.
    by Angie 6/2/2011 10:56:35 PM

  • @angie ok have a good time are you going out or just getting some sleep?
    by elainekirk 6/2/2011 10:58:30 PM

  • Is there anybody in Japan here ? @nancy @bo is this of any use to you?
    translate.googleusercontent.com
    by elainekirk 6/2/2011 11:00:41 PM

  • @elainekirk the kids have school disco's......and they have friends getting dressed here and I am not sure how I am working getting them all ready and taking them with the 3yr old as well! lol Hubby is working till after 7pm tonight so it will all be very crazy here. lol
    Ah wonderful you will have a really great time - mine are all older now but I remember it well
    by Angie edited by elainekirk 6/2/2011 11:00:49 PM

  • @M.I.A. : the bedrock does not matter anymore. the water in the basements of the building is probably groundwater, so we have the interesting situation, that there will always be radiated water flowing into the sea, no matter how many leaks they plug. the whole mess will flow out over the years.
    by Edano 6/2/2011 11:01:48 PM

  • @edano and the drinking water supply? and Tokai is that affecting groundwater too?
    by elainekirk 6/2/2011 11:02:59 PM

  • @elainekirk : as far as i can judge from the very little info, fukushima is not situated over an aquifer. so the groundwater flows into the ocean. the big aquifer for tokyo is just a little bit south, where tokai is located. so there seems no problem to drinking water. but this is far too vague to be surre.
    by Edano 6/2/2011 11:07:04 PM

  • a similar desaster in tokai would have really catastrophic impacts.
    by Edano 6/2/2011 11:09:40 PM

  • and they have a lot of messy things there.
    by Edano edited by Edano 6/2/2011 11:10:14 PM

  • Thanks @Edano
    This is from the IAEA summary
    The Japanese Government’s longer term response to protect the public,
    including evacuation, has been impressive and extremely well organized. A
    suitable and timely follow-up programme on public and worker exposures and
    health monitoring would be beneficial.
    www.nisa.meti.go.jp
    Beneficail?!?! it should be mandatory!!
    by elainekirk 6/2/2011 11:10:57 PM

  • but the poisened water can still spread around locally.
    by Edano 6/2/2011 11:11:18 PM

  • @elainekirk It's pretty hard to tell from translate, but the issues it has are predominantly from word order and the lack of most tense in Japanese. So here's a stab at it:

    "Possible events that occurred from the tsunami and other events at Tokai reprocessing plant

    When utility power was lost due to EQ and tsunami, The power supply is usually started from the emergency electric facility. It is assumed that the tsunami emergency generator equipment suffered a a loss of power at impact and due to flooding (assuming a height of 14.4m) in the lower floors of the facility due to tsunami inundation of equipment. The expected failure would make unavailable the equipment supplying compressed air.

    If the above assumptions are true, with loss the function of all AC power supply, the facilities for reprocessing of radioactive materials would retain the hydrogen likely to evolve which would also affect decay heat removal capability.

    We studied the effect of the facility. With features such as loss of all AC power supply, high-level radioactive waste radioactive decay heat makes temperatures rise and the liquid solution and plutonium simmer, while giving off increased amounts of radioactive gas which can be assumed to cause an increase in substances in emissions from the stack. The high-level radioactive waste stays in the tank and more hydrogen is generated by radiolysis of the solution and plutonium. With increasing Hydrogen concentrationin the spent fuel storage pool, it is believed to be likely to explode. The temperature continues to rise gradually from decay heat of spent fuel and water vapor continues to deplete the water from the pool exposing the spent fuel."
    by radioguy 6/2/2011 11:11:32 PM

  • Does that fit your take on it?
    by radioguy 6/2/2011 11:13:07 PM

  • @radioguy : do we have problems in tokai lately ?
    by Edano 6/2/2011 11:14:00 PM

  • Elaine just brought it back into focus after idling for a long while with her post below. That's where the links are.
    by radioguy 6/2/2011 11:15:11 PM

  • @radioguy yes it does thanks #@edano it explains the high readings down there and it is on the IAEA summary but no detail is given by the IAEA
    by elainekirk 6/2/2011 11:15:22 PM

  • @edano translate.googleusercontent.com and the readings www.nisa.meti.go.jp
    @radio guy what did you make of the references to plutonium and mox?
    by elainekirk 6/2/2011 11:18:30 PM

  • We know that plant is where they processed the incoming from Areva and Le Hague don't we?
    by radioguy 6/2/2011 11:19:52 PM

  • We saw the shipping orders and export licenses.
    by radioguy 6/2/2011 11:20:26 PM

  • www.bousai.ne.jp ibaraki/tokai has high rad readings, but in march we had measures over 2000 nGy/h so i think the (airborne) radiation comes from fuku.
    by Edano edited by Edano 6/2/2011 11:22:34 PM

  • There were those couple of days around that time that the wind blew SSW so it could simply be analogous to NW Fukushima that way, but those readings still always seemed too high too soon to me.
    by radioguy 6/2/2011 11:24:58 PM

  • @Edano Whatever the past history, it seems they're worried about it now.
    by radioguy 6/2/2011 11:25:46 PM

  • Is the little animal in distress? TEMKO camera?
    by Display Name:wonder 6/2/2011 11:28:21 PM

  • I'll wait for a better translation. It could just be disaster scenarios after seeing what happened to Daiichi.
    by radioguy 6/2/2011 11:29:05 PM

  • @radioguy isn't it just a plan of how to improve the protection of the plant on the base of the fuku events ?
    by Edano 6/2/2011 11:31:23 PM

  • But the tokia readings are constantly higher they are the same as onagawa is on tepco's doorstep if you look at the chart I posted
    by elainekirk 6/2/2011 11:32:23 PM

  • @wonder it appears to be :(
    by elainekirk 6/2/2011 11:33:42 PM

  • @elainekirk ty - by the way, did anyone else see the phenomena three nights ago and two nights ago (10 - 12 pm Japan time) when a light shot up the pole and illuminated the entire area - and showed billowing smoke or fog for a few moments? I only saw it happen three times.
    by Display Name:wonder 6/2/2011 11:50:13 PM

  • I brought the movie, working on getting the 2nd part to this up now.

    by deb 6/2/2011 11:51:09 PM

  • @wonder no I didnt see that @deb ty for video
    by elainekirk 6/2/2011 11:56:07 PM

  • Of course it is Tokai that has the discharge pipe running into the ocean that cracked a couple of yrs ago in territorial waters and polluted their shores ....
    www2.jnes.go.jp
    by elainekirk 6/2/2011 11:59:18 PM

  • From @msinla on the other blog, because it was so good:
    So we've got radioactive fish, Correxit shrimp, cesium contaminated dairy products, radiated leafy greens, wheat and rice are now threatened.... What's for dinner?
    by radioguy 6/3/2011 12:00:39 AM

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