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@fitter I'm a person who reads this group on a phone so even though a reader since R- I've rarely posted. I've observed what you mean, but I think for many at this point, or at least me--I didn't start out anti-Tepco, I just learned enough to end up feeling that way. Not, from my point of view, bias, just hard reality. I would make a strong differentiation between Tepco management and board and Tepco engineers and staff and workers and all those who have been on the scene working on this problem under great hardships and great danger. I'm very sure that no anti-Tepco feeling has ever been directed against the latter group, but I do think it's defensible to have reached a conclusion that Tepco corporate is responsible for the magnitude of this disaster, if not the origin, which I have come to believe. They built it in a bad place, they knew it, they didn't take the necessary safety measures to protect it or to cope with any emergencies that might come. And they have often been shown to have been untruthful at a corporate and regulatory interface level. I would never want any opinions to be disregarded, but being anti-Tepco at this point seems to me unavoidable. I speak only for myself. Mods, feel free to delete me if seen as too confrontational, because I don't mean to be.

Sorry. No more ranting.

they have experience of TMI and chernobyl.. so we can say that similar things have happened before. they have to multiply them by three ..at least

@fitter Yes, I understand it's a massive amount of water, that's my point. A terrible massive amount, but there it is. We don't have any choice, something has to be done with it. Someone suggested a while ago an empty oil tanker and that seems like creative thinking to me. But I'm sure there are better ideas out there. Big job, still needs to be done. Therefore have to figure some way to do it.

@fitter They sent 900000 people through Chernobyl. I'm sure you know that anyway.

@Mart question: (Please answer this is only a discussion and no answer or question is wrong) If a tanker would work, I supect they would have gone or may be "planing" that... but I can also think of many BAD things that could happen, then every one would be on TEPCO for doiind that! I'n my opionion we are past of the cause that TEPCO is not releasing information and "we really do not know what they are doing .... they have over 1000 engineer working on it and I am pretty sure they arn't just "whistling Dixie" .... it take years to design these things, test then build (that what I do).(not nuclear) so what can TEPCO "really do that is possible, that would make any one happy!! every thing they do comes back with a comment!

@AustralianCannonball Yes well versed on chernobly, one: not the same two: it was not in the first months 3: Look at the "trouble that has got them into... you can read it here! so if you were the person to make that discussion, would you do it.... put those people in a early graved?

@fitter No. Thats why I know they wont do it. They have the technology 25 years on and the history records of what happened to the liquidators.

But Kan should lead which he has strugled with so probably must go.

TEPCO is not all bad. But history will not be kind to them. That I guarantee.

The responsibility for being honest is on the person or corporation who has been show not to have been honest in the past. To say that those who were disillusioned when Tepco's lack of honesty became known are therefore responsible for their being even more dishonest is sort of a problem for me. If Tepco had been more trustworthy I wouldn't now trust them, which I did at the beginning and don't know. With reason. No amount of generalized public relations for nuclear power or for engineers is going to change people's feelings about how Tepco has been proven to have acted--deceptively. And again, I am speaking of the corporate and board level, upper management, not the working stiffs who are stuck with the clean up and the danger. I also haven't seen any thought control on this board--it seems to be very open and have a lot of diversity that comes and goes and respects information, though not perhaps generalized public relations not consistent with the facts as they are known. I've seen people here change their minds over and over as they get new information, run up blind alleys, change direction, as they try to observe and prove and source. Your mileage may vary and I will think on what you've said. I'm going to bed.

Sorry, thumb fingered and too late, but you get the jist.

on techi side.. has somebody done satellite images comparison.. to see possible shift in buildings locations before the big one and now. or is it even possible.. someone here was very good with images..

@all i have work to do nice chatting, but like my opionion or not i will speake honestly and my, and I will own up to what i do!

@Angie Yes you have not and I wished that I had stated that!!! you have been a good (GREAT) mod

@Angie Good Moring, hope you had a good holiday, the kids and grandkids just about did me in over the holiday, was glad to come to work!

@Angie guess that would be right, do you have gov't holidays and how many? and how do you stat your summer....

@AustralianCannonball good night