
@bo oh dear the anger in that tweet was quite obvious but I didnt know what it meant ty for explaining
by elainekirk 8/12/2011 12:29:01 AM

@elainekirk people have told me that the jeep from the ABCC would pull up in front of their house and they just had to go right then, even if they were cooking dinner, or doing anything--they had no choice. There is still a lot of anger about the ABCC but also a lot of pride that the data has helped people.
by bo 8/12/2011 12:30:54 AM

By the way, the ABCC has changed to the RERF (Radiation Effects Research Foundation) that is jointly run by the US and Japan. It is now generally thought well of here in town. But the legacy of the ABCC is very contentious.
by bo 8/12/2011 12:32:08 AM

@bo
have you seen the article we
houseoffoust.com put together with our Japanese friends
by elainekirk 8/12/2011 12:33:06 AM

No I hadn't. Nice work! (as usual)
by bo 8/12/2011 12:35:28 AM

@bo we are trying to spread the news have you seen the aka tsubu campaign?
houseoffoust.comby elainekirk 8/12/2011 12:37:49 AM

Yes, I did see that on my iPhone. Fantastic.
by bo 8/12/2011 12:40:15 AM

Radiation measurement experts trainedThe operator of the damaged Fukushima Daiichi nuclear power plant plans to train about 4,000 workers as experts on the safety of irradiated areas.
The government plans to consider lifting evacuation orders for zones which are deemed safe after it achieves the second phase of bringing the plant under control. In the second stage, the government aims to significantly reduce the amount of radiation emitted from the plant.
To determine the safety of the 20-kilometer no-entry zone and the evacuated areas, a large number of experts on radiation exposure will be required. Tokyo Electric Power Company is now training staff for that purpose.
TEPCO plans to have about 4,000 workers take the training by the end of the year. Around 1,900 workers have already completed it.
The Natural Resources and Energy Agency also plans to train 250 personnel by year-end.
TEPCO will have the experts control exposure for workers at the Fukushima plant and measure radiation levels to confirm the evacuated zones are safe enough for people to return home.Friday, August 12, 2011 08:08 +0900 (JST)
www3.nhk.or.jp by Edano 8/12/2011 12:41:49 AM

Hot concern
Japan risks another crisis over decontamination
www.economist.comby elainekirk 8/12/2011 12:43:15 AM

@Edano EXPERTS!! 1 days training???
by elainekirk 8/12/2011 12:43:46 AM

Concerns at Tsruga
www.chunichi.co.jpby lillymunster 8/12/2011 12:52:49 AM

I have to sleep g'night
by elainekirk 8/12/2011 12:56:03 AM

Nite Elaine
by lillymunster 8/12/2011 12:56:59 AM

Good night elaine, thanks.
by bo 8/12/2011 1:00:45 AM

@Bo, working on putting together the Hanford articles. Will post all my links when I get it ready. I also found some interesting things on the Nevada tests I didn't know like how many deaths and livestock problems it caused.
by lillymunster 8/12/2011 1:02:05 AM

Cool lilly. I was in Osaka for two days, i'll send more links on Hanford today.
by bo 8/12/2011 1:02:46 AM

@lilly there have been over 2000 nuclear tests on earth, over 1000 of them were in Nevada (this includes underground tests)
by bo 8/12/2011 1:03:36 AM

@bo Wow. I'm surprised Nevada is habitable.
by lillymunster 8/12/2011 1:13:04 AM

Interesting, someone ascribed some of the ill effects to hydrazine put in the water at Fuku
"Eczema and skin itching eyes and sore throats, I might have been injected with hydrazine in order to prevent corrosion in the primary system." Hydrazine "is toxic, the eyes and throat stimulating. "Serve You. After searching the net, I'm of the same symptoms many people in Tokyo. Yappari say something or rather ....
by lillymunster 8/12/2011 1:35:31 AM

This guy frequently tweets about worker issues and heat problems
kanbou_tyoukan Chief Cabinet Secretary
It does not appear to be cool even wearing all the best testified on TV it was. In the state of subcontract workers had testified at least scrambled wide. What is going Temashita swelter in masks and protective clothing, such as paper # Genpatsu # TEPCO # Seiji # Minsyu
by lillymunster 8/12/2011 2:02:50 AM

38 cases of suspected heat stroke at Fukushima
www3.nhk.or.jpby lillymunster 8/12/2011 2:04:31 AM

The heat in Japan is just brutal right now, even without doing physical labor in it. Also, this is the start of the Bon holiday, so everyone in Japan is traveling right now to their hometowns.
by bo 8/12/2011 2:15:00 AM

@bo I saw an article a few days ago about people setting small Obon fires of pine branches in front of their temporary housing.
by lillymunster 8/12/2011 2:18:21 AM

@lilly do you have a link for that? I imagine that people are taking all kinds of small steps to normalize the terrible situation.
by bo 8/12/2011 2:28:31 AM

Special district for medical research Fukushima
ex-skf.blogspot.comby lillymunster 8/12/2011 2:30:02 AM

@bo I will look and see if I can find it.
by lillymunster 8/12/2011 2:30:17 AM

Thanks lilly. And regarding the ex-sfk post, ah, a new generation of research subjects and test patients for risky procedures. The victimization goes on and on...
by bo 8/12/2011 2:35:24 AM

He mentions the completely missing component of actually trying to help people.
by lillymunster 8/12/2011 2:36:18 AM

Missing by design? If history is an indicator. We will take the ruined health and lives of these people and learn what we can for future generations of victims.
by bo 8/12/2011 2:37:12 AM

Found it! :-)
ajw.asahi.comby lillymunster 8/12/2011 2:47:51 AM

All the disasters, all the people exposed to one extent or another yet nothing seems to change, no effective preemptive safety system that works. BTW, I think an accident would be poorly handled if it happened in the US.
by lillymunster 8/12/2011 2:50:05 AM

Thanks lilly, and I agree with your pessimistic assessment.
by bo 8/12/2011 2:52:23 AM

I am probably more pessimistic after reading up on Hanford and the Nevada tests.
I was telling Elaine earlier I found some information on the Pathfinder reactor and there are multiple accounts that something bad happened. I talked to someone who was involved in the citizens watchdog group. He gave me a pile of leads and told me what he knew. It sounds like it may have had some sort of major failure.
Just ran across this, US considered building nuclear power plant at Hiroshima in 1953
www.asahi.comby lillymunster 8/12/2011 2:56:19 AM

Dwell Magazine did an issue on Japan
www.dwell.comby lillymunster 8/12/2011 3:07:11 AM

Yes, a student of mine is working on the history of that attempt in Hiroshima. Yes, working on the history of nuclear issues, there is no reason to be optimistic about what lies ahead.
by bo 8/12/2011 3:07:29 AM

Here is a very cool layered Google Earth webpage about the crisis in Tohoku:
shinsai.mapping.jpby bo 8/12/2011 3:07:47 AM

Local officials testing school lunches in Tokyo
ajw.asahi.comby lillymunster 8/12/2011 3:09:07 AM

I don't know about something going wrong at Pathfinder, but I wouldn't be surprised.
by bo 8/12/2011 3:09:21 AM

@bo It has a very brief and abrupt history. They started it up, shut it down and dismantled it. One of the local physics professors says it shook horribly when they began to ramp it up. That was the one and only time it ran. Most of the pipefitters who did the dismantling died of cancer prematurely. They were under gag orders related to their settlements. The plant was run by NSP power workers who had some basic instruction at another reactor. One of the people I spoke to said the turbine building side still had significant radiation in the pipes in the 1990's. They removed all the reactor parts and decontaminated in 1968.
by lillymunster 8/12/2011 3:12:32 AM

Nice. Nice. Just imagine the original pile built in Chicago in Dec 42. It was literally just that, a pile. No containment, no precautions. And built in a residential neighborhood.
by bo 8/12/2011 3:14:42 AM

@bo containment? air filters? naw we don't need those. The reactors at Hanford didn't have any containment structure, at least the original one.
by lillymunster 8/12/2011 3:18:28 AM

Has anyone ever tried to figure out how much radiation leaked out of the Chicago test?
by lillymunster 8/12/2011 3:18:56 AM


First nuclear reactor. Artwork showing the moment when the world's first nuclear reactor, Chicago Pile-1 (CP-1), became self-sustaining. This historic event took place at 15:22 local time on 2nd December 1942, in a racquets court at the University of Chicago, USA. The reactor, using uranium fuel with graphite control rods, was built under the supervision of Italian physicist Enrico Fermi. The final control rod was operated by George Weil (lower centre), while Fermi (upper left) monitored the nuclear activity. This work led to the production of the fuel for the first atom bombs, as part of the Manhattan Project.
by bo 8/12/2011 3:19:28 AM

Not that I know of. My mother was a teen living about 6 blocks away at the time.
by bo 8/12/2011 3:19:52 AM