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@lillymunster Well, that contradicts other information we have and really makes no sense. Where did you read that?
by Pedro Jesus 8/12/2011 12:00:47 PM

@Pedro Jesus www9.nhk.or.jp
www9.nhk.or.jp
by Edano 8/12/2011 12:02:31 PM

ND means not determined. It means the values are under determinable levels, not that there are none. It's is only a matter of interpretation.
by Pedro Jesus 8/12/2011 12:04:15 PM

ah, no, no isotopes in air. only water samples.
by Edano 8/12/2011 12:04:22 PM

@Pedro Jesus the filtering of data being made accessible to the public is strongly believed to be having a detrimental effect on their ability to make informed decisions concerning the health and welfare of themselves and their families.
It may
by elainekirk 8/12/2011 12:04:36 PM

@elainekirk the good thing is that tepco will now measure radiation in the evacuated regions in order to determine where it is safe ! imagine, tepco !
by Edano 8/12/2011 12:07:46 PM

Those values depend on the sensitivity of the equipment used. What those readings mean is that certain isotope levels have gone below dangerous levels, not that they ceased completely. I assume what they mean is emissions from those isotopes with the ND are below background radiation. Did you check when those values went from determinable levels down to ND?
by Pedro Jesus 8/12/2011 12:09:09 PM

@Pedro Jesus ND means the results fall below the measurable thresholds as they stand at the time of measurement ie cesium 137 - .04bq per cm3 note- per centimetre on August the 2nd www.tepco.co.jp
So basically they can move the goalposts to create any ND reading they wish
by elainekirk 8/12/2011 12:09:35 PM

We might determine the veracity from the general trend.
by Pedro Jesus 8/12/2011 12:09:42 PM

TEPCO equates ND with none. I have seen various documents with a line indicating none rather than ND. I think it is more PR manipulation than anything.
by lillymunster 8/12/2011 12:09:55 PM

@lillymunster I have put the tepco version of nd below
by elainekirk 8/12/2011 12:10:18 PM

@elainekirk That is also true. But what would that accomplish if other measurements elsewhere told otherwise?
by Pedro Jesus 8/12/2011 12:10:44 PM

this is strange. nd=not detectable. they cannot change this convention as they like.
by Edano 8/12/2011 12:11:39 PM

@Pedro Jesus creating enough confusion to prevent or impede informed analysis
by elainekirk 8/12/2011 12:11:42 PM

@Edano this is tepco and they can and do
by elainekirk 8/12/2011 12:12:11 PM

interesting fact.
by Edano 8/12/2011 12:12:40 PM

@elainekirk Well, but TEPCO does not control most of the radiation detection stations. Are you suggestion a worldwide conspiracy protecting TEPCO?
by Pedro Jesus 8/12/2011 12:14:54 PM

Radiation measurement experts trained

The operator of the damaged Fukushima Daiichi nuclear power plant plans to train about 4,000 workers as experts on the safety of irradiated areas.

The government plans to consider lifting evacuation orders for zones which are deemed safe after it achieves the second phase of bringing the plant under control. In the second stage, the government aims to significantly reduce the amount of radiation emitted from the plant.

To determine the safety of the 20-kilometer no-entry zone and the evacuated areas, a large number of experts on radiation exposure will be required. Tokyo Electric Power Company is now training staff for that purpose.

TEPCO plans to have about 4,000 workers take the training by the end of the year. Around 1,900 workers have already completed it.

The Natural Resources and Energy Agency also plans to train 250 personnel by year-end.

TEPCO will have the experts control exposure for workers at the Fukushima plant and measure radiation levels to confirm the evacuated zones are safe enough for people to return home.

Friday, August 12, 2011 08:08 +0900 (JST)
www3.nhk.or.jp
by Edano 8/12/2011 12:16:19 PM

they train them for ND. just remove the batteries. :)
by Edano 8/12/2011 12:19:02 PM

@Edano What I mean is that people can evaluate the credibility of TEPCO's data by comparing the radiation trend portrayed on TEPCO's charts with their own. You can't hide radiation.
by Pedro Jesus 8/12/2011 12:19:21 PM

English language book (and ebook) with Abomb survivors accounts just released ajw.asahi.com
by lillymunster 8/12/2011 12:19:47 PM

@Pedro Jesus this is right, but japanese tend to believe.
by Edano 8/12/2011 12:20:22 PM

@Pedro Jesus There are still big information gaps. Safecast is doing a great job filling in the blanks. Does anyone know when the last SPEEDI data was released?
by lillymunster 8/12/2011 12:20:40 PM

Tohoku eyes mass relocations www.yomiuri.co.jp
by lillymunster 8/12/2011 12:21:14 PM

@Edano Well, it is our mission to let them know the truth if we can prove that TEPCO is telling lies about the radiation. But we need evidence, insinuations are not enough to convince people.
by Pedro Jesus 8/12/2011 12:21:26 PM

@Pedro Jesus but "ND" is a lie.
by Edano 8/12/2011 12:21:52 PM

@lillymunster I've been away, as you probably have noticed by the absence of comments from my part lately. Sorry.
by Pedro Jesus 8/12/2011 12:22:15 PM

@lillymunster www.bousai.ne.jp speedi is continous, isn't it ?
by Edano 8/12/2011 12:22:45 PM

@lillymunster there is a gov for tokyo here monitoring.tokyo-eiken.go.jp
by elainekirk 8/12/2011 12:24:14 PM

@Edano Can be or not. The trend of radiation levels has shown a general decrease. At some point the readings will go below the determinable threshold. From that point on further analysis is needed. Emergency monitoring stations won't detect below certain levels. That's why I was asking if you checked from which levels those readings went ND. Then we can have an idea if they're withholding important information or not. Just an idea. I'm afraid I will be too busy to help on that task for the next weeks. It's been a crazy season (regarding my work).
by Pedro Jesus 8/12/2011 12:25:55 PM

Good morning, I find it quite strange that a utility is asked to fulfill a public health function. In the US this would immediately raise huge legal issues.
by Peter Melzer 8/12/2011 12:27:11 PM

@Peter Melzer correct. i find it disturbing.
by Edano 8/12/2011 12:27:50 PM

@fitter , good morning fitter. We just visited Jamestown, VA, last weekend and guess what I spotted from them old boats across the water? It looked like a huge bosom against the horizon.
by Peter Melzer 8/12/2011 12:29:17 PM

@Peter Melzer How are you doing, good i hope.. its fitter (not you)
by fitter 8/12/2011 12:29:41 PM

@Peter Melzer Well, it wouldn't certainly be allowed here in Portugal. We have Government and independent organizations that perform that job.
by Pedro Jesus 8/12/2011 12:29:48 PM

Not specifically speaking about nuclear though, because we don't have nuclear expect for a few research labs and some hospitals.
by Pedro Jesus 8/12/2011 12:30:29 PM

expect=except
by Pedro Jesus 8/12/2011 12:31:02 PM

@Peter Melzer the ghost ships!!! they decreased the size of quanity by 2/3 the past several years... wished I had know would have loved to have a coffee and conversation
by fitter 8/12/2011 12:31:54 PM

@fitter , we shall be in the area again. @you is @fitter on my comp.
by Peter Melzer 8/12/2011 12:33:07 PM

be back in a bit
by lillymunster 8/12/2011 12:33:42 PM

@Peter Melzer if you can get in touch would love to meet you!
by fitter 8/12/2011 12:34:20 PM

@fitter , I am on facebook, mySpace and twitter. :) Peter.
by Peter Melzer 8/12/2011 12:43:21 PM

@lillymunster was trying to catch you, if you are gone would someone please repost when nancy is back on... don't viist the board much but seen some post yesterday regarding the Fitters that "died from cancer" in regards to the (I believe) hartford plant.... So that the infromation is correct.. one can not assume they died form cancer due to the "nuke plant radiation" excpesialy in that time period... it is a well known fact that "fitters and insulaters" died from cancer caused by Asbestos (insulation) All union locals that I know of have a seperate dept set up just for this testing and compensation, it takes 20-30 yrs to show up... and all most all the info is "gaged" because of the "manufacturer". Iit is a process still going on today.. I know to many who have died young due to this, percentage wise in comparison to "other exposures"... steam lines are the main systems that are and were insulated with asbestos... so it would be important to disquist the cause !
by fitter 8/12/2011 12:45:15 PM