

@Edano twitpic.com bearing in mind the words could have many meanings he normally only uses Japanese any opinion

since 1945 we have a steadily increasing background radiation due to opening of pandora's box and we still wonder why we have increasing cancer rates all over the world ? and still iaea and icrp and other criminals tell us radiation is safe ? do they think we are stupid ? ridiculous.
by Edano 8/11/2011 1:42:55 PM

@Edano what do you think re the pic?
by elainekirk 8/11/2011 1:44:28 PM

@elainekirk what do you mean ?
by Edano 8/11/2011 1:44:56 PM

@Edano what are the marks on his foot and big toe?
by elainekirk 8/11/2011 1:45:27 PM

@elainekirk is he a soccer player ?
by Edano 8/11/2011 1:46:22 PM

well, really, nobody can tell from a distance.
by Edano 8/11/2011 1:46:42 PM

@Edano ah just wondered Japanese tweeting pics of their anatomy is not an everyday occurance so I was curious as to why he was publicising his foot
by elainekirk 8/11/2011 1:48:37 PM

Elaine, is the iodine stories connected to the child with the high reading. IE: the children were from Iwaki where they were not told to take it?
by lillymunster 8/11/2011 1:55:28 PM

@lillymunster I will go read the convo see if I can tell
by elainekirk 8/11/2011 1:56:19 PM

you need to read it backwards can you delete
by elainekirk 8/11/2011 1:59:35 PM

@lillymunster yes, they were told not to take it. they were told to ask a doctor. but there were not enough doctors to ask.
by Edano 8/11/2011 2:00:42 PM

they said it is dangerous to take it without advice and without drinking. this is BS.
by Edano 8/11/2011 2:01:48 PM

So Iwaki handed out iodine and told people to wait to take it and the order to take it never came?
by lillymunster 8/11/2011 2:04:26 PM

by Edano 8/11/2011 2:05:15 PM

@lillymunster I have sent you the convo by mail @edano's links say that yes central government didnt tell local government the readings
by elainekirk 8/11/2011 2:05:39 PM

@lillymunster yes exactly.
by Edano 8/11/2011 2:06:08 PM

@lillymunster one mention it was lollopez tweeting in fury this morning that alerted me but he gave no links so I dm'ed rockhopper and the convo I sent tells the rest with @Edano's links added
by elainekirk 8/11/2011 2:08:31 PM

Just wanted to make sure I had everything correct in my head. WTH..
by lillymunster 8/11/2011 2:09:11 PM

and let's not forget about this "official" link:
www3.nhk.or.jpby Edano 8/11/2011 2:13:08 PM

@RBeaner all is in my last 3 posts.
by Edano 8/11/2011 2:15:46 PM

i still don't understand if the 35 mSv is an external or internal equivalent. the icrp recommendations are external exposure rates.
by Edano 8/11/2011 2:17:14 PM

@RBeaner we are putting it all together
by elainekirk 8/11/2011 2:19:17 PM

@lillymunster @elainekirk the
biological half life of iodine is 80 days. so it is okay to take the iodine dose as soon as there is a problem. you don't have to wait for the "right" time.
the protection will last several months. so it is bullshit to tell the people to wait.
www.gesundheitxxl.comby Edano 8/11/2011 2:23:57 PM

Was the does calculated based on factors or a thyroid scan? I can't quite sort that out from the information
by lillymunster 8/11/2011 2:25:15 PM

@lillymunster it is based (extrapolated) on the thyroid scan result.
by Edano 8/11/2011 2:26:06 PM

a thyroid scan is about the same as a whole body count, only faster.
by Edano 8/11/2011 2:28:18 PM

@RBeaner playing football causes thyroid cancer ?
by Edano 8/11/2011 2:30:19 PM

I would rather suck bus exhaust than get a 35 mSv dose to the thyroid.
by lillymunster 8/11/2011 2:31:37 PM

out for awhile
by elainekirk 8/11/2011 2:34:09 PM

@RBeaner i was talking about the preventive effect of taking non rad iodine, not of the effects of J131. due to the long thyroid half life, the protective effect should remain for some months.
by Edano 8/11/2011 2:39:02 PM

@Peter Melzer good finding !
by Edano 8/11/2011 2:40:44 PM

good morning every one
by dean 8/11/2011 2:41:47 PM

Ok, here is the article. Let me know if I have it right or it needs changes
by lillymunster 8/11/2011 2:46:39 PM

Right after the meltdowns began at Fukushima Daiichi local officials in Iwaki distributed protective iodine to the residents. It was handed out with the instruction that people wait to take it until they are instructed to by announcement from the central government. There was also the caveat that it should be taken under doctor's supervision. Meanwhile in the chaos of the tsunami, earthquake and evacuations doctors were in short supply.
The order never came.
Radiation was increasing in Iwaki as the plants melted down and exploded. The central government suppressed the radiation data from the system known as SPEEDI. As the radiation data didn't come out for months no call to residents to take the iodine was ever sent. There was also confusion distributed that the iodine could be taken after the fact, something that is medically inaccurate. The iodine is to be taken at the time of anticipated exposure to protect the thyroid from taking in the radioactive iodine.
Reports were released that identified the thyroid doses for children and then later removed from the Nuclear Safety Commission. One 4 year old child was determined by a thyroid scan to have a 35 mSv dose to the thyroid. The maximum whole body annual dose a nuclear worker in Japan could have before the disaster was 100 mSv. The maximum yearly dose a nuclear worker in Germany could have is 20 mSv. The information on the NSC's website was later removed under the claim that it included personal information about the children who were tested.
This is disturbingly high. No information about any of these children from the area receiving any sort of medical intervention has been stated. According to the NSC, they are following the ICRP recommendations. ICRP considers 100 mSv to be an "acceptable" dose for a citizen before anything should be done. We will have more on the ICRP soon, but suffice it to say they are not an impartial objective source for data.
The problem has come full circle. The government didn't act on the SPEEDI data. The government told local governments to wait on iodine until the go ahead was given. Nobody took the iodine and now children in the region are showing with radiation contamination in their thyroids. It all begs the question, was this incompetence or malice? After reading the New York Times article where government officials admitted they downplayed the nuclear disaster to avoid the cost of larger evacuations it does make one wonder what is going on in the central government in Japan.
There has also been reluctance by government officials to scan all residents in the region in a timely manner. Some people had reported being unable to access a whole body scanner to have it done. A whole body scan takes about 10 minutes and costs about 66 euros to have done. Meanwhile things in Iwaki are not getting much better. Radiation readings are showing about 10 mSv in the area. People are living with uncertainty about their safety or the realistic ability to rebuild in the area due to the contamination and lack of detailed information.
by lillymunster 8/11/2011 2:46:41 PM

point source or plane source.. that should be easy for you RBeaner
by dean 8/11/2011 2:50:54 PM