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@fitter, yes. There is a facebook button at the top right on here www.brainmindinst.blogspot.com that should point you in the right direction.
by Peter Melzer 8/12/2011 1:05:51 PM

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by lillymunster 8/12/2011 1:16:44 PM

@fitter If you check back. It was the Pathfinder reactor in SD. They were removing reactor pipes in 1968. The reactor was shut down in 1967 and likely had an accident. The guy that was either head of the union or the owner of the business that supplied the workers said it was radiation related. I tend to believe that is the case since they were cutting out reactor piping a year after it was shut down. The reactor vessel wasn't removed until the 90's because it was still too radioactive to remove. It would be useful if the files on these workers occupational cases were available. I'm not sure if that is public record or not..
by lillymunster 8/12/2011 1:20:49 PM

hello to all.. every one I hope the day is going well
by dean 8/12/2011 1:32:10 PM

hi Dean!
by lillymunster 8/12/2011 1:33:46 PM

@lillymunster I wished that the "concept of compensation and law was that simple" You would have to reshearch the "safety procedures" used for radiation, and in 1968 it was still legal to install asbestos, The subject and law suit regarding asbestos are quite complex (hence that is why unions have set up thier own procedures to try and get the due compensation from the asbestos manufactures...there are many childeren and housewives that died from asbestos related cancers, just from hugging and doing thier laundry with the husbands.) As noted in last post.. asbestes was the "insulation of choice" in that time period. The compensation/law suit may be more complex than just "radiation" and radiation would be a simpler "win". I don't have the link were you are extracting the information from and have found that quite a lot of what is printed and on the web is not vetted or has an adgenda.. could you provide the link to the lawsuit/compensation parts.. timeline wil tell a lot.. Also would have to look at the "release of the employee info" as this would be a gravious infregment on the privecy of the employees .... Just wanted to alert you to the fact that plant as most in that time period, was probably loaded with asbestos... and again there should have been "safety procedures" (written) that would have been established to protect workers.. (radiation should/would have been a know risk/asbestos was not as well know in that time period. fitters just went in and ripped it off and may not have know it was asbestos. Pipefitters remove "numerous" systems that have residule "dangerous" particles.. and asbestos (on the outside) is one of the major over the last 40 years... as a employer we must maintain the records of some exposures for life.. not the usual seven years. again do you have a link to the "compensation/expsoure" info..thanks
by fitter 8/12/2011 1:42:25 PM

hi fitter hope all is well on the home front
by dean 8/12/2011 1:43:27 PM

@dean hello hope your doing well, things good here!
by fitter 8/12/2011 1:43:59 PM

Someone posted this site www.enviroreporter.com earlier which I thought is an excellent example for an independent monitoring site. The person asked for our opinion on recent air filter readings published on the site. Here is my take: The median increase in CPM above background of the filter readings is roughly 45 CPM which translates into 0.13 microSv/h or 130 nanoSv/h, according to the conversion provided on the site. For comparison, I provide a reading the Japanese government published in its NISA report to the IAEA fukushima.grs.de , page V-23, below: "The air dose rate was measured on March 30 to April 2, and April 18 and 19, and MEXT released the results on April 21. The measurement results of radioactive materials in air and soil radioactivity concentration conducted on April 2 and 18 were released by the Ministry on April 25. After that, the Ministry releases the results sequentially on and after May 12.
(Measurement method)
･ The air dose rate is measured using more than one monitoring car. The GM (Geiger-Muller) counter, ionization chamber and NaI scintillation detector are used as detector. The soil radioactivity concentration is measured using germanium semiconductor detector for 1,000 or 3,600 seconds per sample (which varies by sample).
(Measurement results)
･ As to the air dose rate within 20km from Fukushima Dai-ichi NPA, relatively high dose
rate (highest value: 124µSv/h at【44】on April 2) was detected in the northwest direction." The doses measured in the air filters in Santa Monica are 1000 times lower and accumulated over roughly three weeks.
by Peter Melzer 8/12/2011 1:44:13 PM

www.bellinghamherald.com @ lilly.. asbestos is not the only concern, here is an article on beryllium exposure. There is a place where former nuclear workers can sign up and be tested to get on a registry for compensation. I did that a few years back.
by dean 8/12/2011 1:49:15 PM

@dean enjoying the big crane, love watching crane work!!!! Worked with a sister on a project and I would go to the site on off days (they never lifted on work days, had to lift over the work site) just to watch the lifts... next best lifts are choppers... have you ever used one or been on job.. they are just in allll... we made about 50 lifts with one and it was amazing how percise they are !!!!!!!!!!! Will put it within "inches" (little bit of harder landing than the cranes!!!
by fitter 8/12/2011 1:49:27 PM

good input Peter, they are fortunate to have linked with you on that
by dean 8/12/2011 1:49:39 PM

I haven't seen one of those on the job site @ fitter but they are impressive
by dean 8/12/2011 1:50:42 PM

@dean do you know what time line that the beryllium became "commonly" known??? Just the building of those cranes is interesting, and our job site had the sister.. it was smaller (not much)
by fitter 8/12/2011 1:52:45 PM

BERYLLIUM has been used since the early days of reactors, it's used primarily in some reactors as a reflector ie; it reflects neutrons back in to the core to make the core more efficient so the neutrons don't escape (scatter). it's the machining or handling where there could be dust or access to small particles that let to the health affects..
by dean 8/12/2011 1:56:01 PM

all,,, I need to run to doc.. will return ..
by dean 8/12/2011 1:56:10 PM

@dean something else of note on Pathfinder. The piping in the Turbine building on the freshwater side was still considerably radioactive in 2000 when it was removed. They ran it as a natural gas plant after they took the reactor offline in 1967. I am still digging for information. Much of this was personal comments by people who worked there or were part of the watchdog group focused on the plant. I have leads on quite a bit of data but will take some effort to get copies
by lillymunster 8/12/2011 1:56:32 PM

excellent lilly.. dang someone will hire you away from us as an investigative reporter...
by dean 8/12/2011 1:57:43 PM

@lillymunster , hopefully you will find some radiation record on Pathfinder. Otherwise, I do not see how you will be able to disentangle the issues. Perhaps there are traces to be found even today.
by Peter Melzer 8/12/2011 1:58:46 PM

@dean iteresting article... good luck with the doc
by fitter 8/12/2011 1:59:25 PM

@Peter Melzer the physics professor at Augustana College at the time has radiation readings and supposedly a large set of data on the plant. He is retired but still alive so tracking him down is on my short list. I have leads to 3 locations of records, 2 govt. records and one from the technical university in the area that supposedly has an extensive collection. I am hoping the watchdog group's records are not lost. The guy who really knew the most died in 2009 but I may be able to contact his kids to find out if they kept them.
by lillymunster 8/12/2011 2:01:54 PM

@Peter Melzer I would start with "union/no-union" it has to do with the training the union employees recieve, non-union could be the person flipping hambergers a week ago and would not "follow the safety procedures as well nor understand them and the consequeses of not following them" then I would look to see the "written" procedures for removeal that might exist.. we have to jump through hoops, it was different then but, NPP would have been at the top of the list for procedures... (of known hazards)
by fitter 8/12/2011 2:05:05 PM

@Peter Melzer gotta go, it was great seeing you.... will look for you on fb
by fitter 8/12/2011 2:06:22 PM

<iframe src="http://player.vimeo.com/video/27506015?title=0&byline=0&portrait=0" width="400" height="225" frameborder="0"></iframe><p>Dial "M" for Meltdown. from Brian Rich on Vimeo.</p>
by Majj 8/12/2011 2:06:57 PM

Dial "M" for Meltdown.
After seeing the destruction in Japan from the Earthquake and Tsunami. Then Fukushima Nuclear Facility melted down before my very eyes on television. I knew something was not right. My research and investigations were met with dead ends, false readings/answers, and lies. I decided to create this video to make sure the history of Commercial Nuclear power was documented and presented to a younger generation. I found most of the public was turned off by the complex nature of Nuclear Physics, even if what they didn't know was going to kill them and their loved ones.
vimeo.com
by Majj 8/12/2011 2:07:51 PM

@lillymunster What is the name of the Company these employees worked for?? its a very small comunnity and most companies that work in these type of places are well know in the construction community.. Just a company name will give away the chances they followed the procedures! Do you know who employeed them?
by fitter 8/12/2011 2:09:39 PM

The TEPCO worker radiation reports Elaine posted earlier today, I have two rough translations done and available online here www.houseoffoust.com
www.houseoffoust.com
by lillymunster 8/12/2011 2:12:11 PM

Francis Dirks Plumbing
by lillymunster 8/12/2011 2:12:36 PM

@lillymunster that says a lot.... will look at in spare time!
by fitter 8/12/2011 2:13:30 PM

The person I spoke with gave the impression nobody really knew or was following any official procedures at Pathfinder. It was a cooperative project of Northern States Power and a bunch of rural power utilities. The people running the plant went to another reactor to get a crash course in running one.
by lillymunster 8/12/2011 2:14:48 PM

I would love to see the video "Dial "M" for Meltdown. " being project in all languages, in all schools of the world
by Majj 8/12/2011 2:22:21 PM

@lillymunster I would be very cautious as to what I state as fact and what I would imply... do you have a link to "pathfinder"... I do not have any ideal what part of the world we are talking about, but if the company you listed is the one I just goggled (in business 46) years.. so could be... does not sound like they were experienced in what they were doing... Guess my point is that "the fitters may/maynot be dead from" rad exposure... but "who does the blame and hype lie with? This looks more and more like a lack of a company doing thier (the plumbing co.) job, than a "deficet in rules/regulations and over all industrie standards... Did the employees win the compensation from the "plumming co. or the owner of the facility (they would have to pay anyway, so not always a base for the truth).. do you have a link? thanks
by fitter 8/12/2011 2:25:18 PM

@fitter There is a link on the NRC page for Pathfinder. Most of the remaining is a patchwork of comments, personal discussions and bits of info here and there. I am looking for info and have lots more research to do. The comments and tips so far are enough reason to keep looking into it. I think the settlements are against the power company, not the plumbers.
by lillymunster 8/12/2011 2:29:25 PM

Long time Fairewinds.com viewer and filmmaker Brian Rich has created a moving and high energy chronology of nuclear power and its impact upon the world.
fairewinds.com
by Majj 8/12/2011 2:36:47 PM

@Majj v. good video
by elainekirk 8/12/2011 2:54:50 PM

NY activists call for solidarity with Japan
Anti-nuclear power activists have staged a rally in New York, urging remembrance of the ongoing crisis at the Fukushima Daiichi nuclear power station in Japan.

About 300 people gathered in Manhattan on Thursday, five months after the March 11th quake and tsunami in northeastern Japan. The Fukushima nuclear power plant was crippled by the disaster.

Participants offered a silent prayer to the victims of the quake and tsunami.

The organizers of the demonstration are calling for the closure of the aging Indian Point nuclear power plant, located about 40 kilometers from Manhattan.

They said there was no guarantee that an accident like the one in Japan couldn't happen in New York.

Some participants carried a banner written in Japanese calling for solidarity with people in Japan. www3.nhk.or.jp
by LM 8/12/2011 2:59:59 PM

@LM hey 300 is good :) thanks for posting I needed cheer
by elainekirk 8/12/2011 3:03:59 PM

@elainekirk Most welcome! It cheered me as well. It's good to know there are others paying attention.
by LM 8/12/2011 3:05:22 PM

Wow, well done video.
by lillymunster 8/12/2011 3:09:10 PM

I ran across multiple mentions of various anti-nuke protests in NYC in recent days.
by lillymunster 8/12/2011 3:17:42 PM

From NYC www.treehugger.com
by lillymunster via Treehugger 8/12/2011 3:18:26 PM

NYC protest www.treehugger.com
by lillymunster 8/12/2011 3:19:27 PM

@lillymunster are you still there.. went and looked at pathfinder over several thaousand post on NCR not sure what one you are looking at, but I guess the point I was trying to make is that its a standard "industrial" toxic waste dump (from what I can see... don't refer to being a dump as literaly.) I just think the "headlines and info should protary the bigger picture... I am sure notheing was done right there.. for many years.. but not sure "all" the pipefitters dieing should be the theme.. have not found all the post here on the board so appologize if I have it wrong... sounds like a much deeper complex stituation and pipefitters (does not say howmay "all" is ) is just a minute perstective of the true stituation that has gone on there.. Vauge statements work against the truer picture.. and it is not confined to just pathfinder... (not sure what pathfinder is? plant/company, but it does not matter) the true pic is the mast amout of polluted (chemical/radiation) that has occured in the US in the past 50 years.. you might want to go to the archives of OSHA, (not sure who they were then!) and review the reg's (Now not sure about then, but construction has its own section not to be confused with the reg's that a operating facility would fall under... so depending on what you are looking at depends on what section you follow.Demo work would fall under construction, good luck! Also most insurance companies will pay off smaller claims with out any proof, its cheaper than going to court... we see it every day.. thats why rates are so high.. ie: guy worked there for 3 days for your company (may have 10 years in the field that would better explain his health) (maybe different part of plant..) cheaper to pay him $XXXXXX,and have him go away then to spend twice that amount on laywer.. and maybe win or not, its all a % of monitary risk.. (that is also one reason why a lot are sealed)
by fitter 8/12/2011 3:28:57 PM

Pathfinder is the name of the NPP. Like I mentioned I am in early info gathering but these comments and statements from people who worked there, worked for the state or the watchdog groups etc. gave me enough that I want to go do fact finding. So that is where I am now, finding the comments and statements and looking for the sources to find the actual facts. This is going to be a long term project, It may take a while to gather information but at least I know it is out there. :-)
by lillymunster 8/12/2011 3:34:38 PM

@all. Not sure what to do with the M is for Meltdown video. It is good as a wake up call to people in the western world. He was clear that was his intended audience. But do I post this were people living in Japan will see it? I worry that the over the top nature could cause undue stress since there were a few minor points he stated as fact that are still up for debate like the infant deaths study...
by lillymunster 8/12/2011 3:37:45 PM