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and tokyo neither.by Edano 10/1/2011 7:43:20 PM
@Edano I saw a mention of some radiation in Nagano but it didn't have details. That map shows nothing in Saitama even though the article from yesterday talked about areas there being above Chernobyl levels?by lillymunster 10/1/2011 7:44:42 PM- @Edano Yep it stopped at the prefecture border, radiation is so smart! :-)by lillymunster 10/1/2011 7:45:21 PM
- i find it quite disturbing.by Edano 10/1/2011 7:49:18 PM
- @Edano Is the survey complete?by lillymunster 10/1/2011 7:49:39 PM
- @lillymunster ajw.asahi.comby Edano 10/1/2011 7:50:40 PM
- "Fairly high levels of accumulated radioactive cesium in Chiba and Saitama prefectures were shown in a new contamination map released by the science ministry on Sept. 29. " saitama ?by Edano 10/1/2011 7:51:14 PM
- @Ian yes, important facts. asahi shimbun is awake among the sleeping crowd.by Edano 10/1/2011 7:53:03 PM
- In Saitama Prefecture, some mountainous areas of Chichibu, located 250 km from the plant, recorded 30,000 to 60,000 becquerels per square meter.by lillymunster 10/1/2011 7:53:32 PM
Awesome! With this calculator www.radprocalculator.com if you have a ground-activity rate in becquerels or curies for a radionuclide, you have the air-dose rate.by Ian 10/1/2011 7:54:11 PM- @lillymunster
it doesn't correspond to the map.by Edano 10/1/2011 7:54:49 PM - @Edano no it doesn't. :-)by lillymunster 10/1/2011 7:56:20 PM
- maybe they refer to another map and show the wrong one.by Edano 10/1/2011 7:57:10 PM
- @Edano you would think MEXT would have a central over all map of all the spots in the survey...by lillymunster 10/1/2011 7:58:15 PM
enenews.com
"New Gov’t Radiation Map Released: “Many people dismayed” — Contamination 50 miles NW of Tokyo in Gunma “looks worse than feared” (MAPS)"
enenews.comby Edano via Enenews 10/1/2011 8:01:19 PM- More on EX-SKF ex-skf.blogspot.comby lillymunster 10/1/2011 8:03:30 PM
- referring to 512 Sv reading:
"BreadAndButter
October 1, 2011 at 5:04 am Log in to Reply
Hi dosdos, we’ve people here on the board saying that a defective meter reads either ‘maxed out’ level continuously or ‘zero’.
I had the chance to discuss this with a nuclear physicist two weeks ago. He said he wouldn’t think the meter is broken. He said those readings are possible when the fuel “breathes” underneath. The man is a well-known scientist here in Germany, so I tend to believe him more than the tepcoclowns.
It’s damn scary. "
enenews.comby Edano 10/1/2011 8:03:40 PM - @Ian what bothers me about that calculator www.radprocalculator.com is it does not specify cubic units for Bq and Ci, they even avoid saying m<sup>2</sup> or km<sup>2</sup>, the former usually being applied to Bq and the latter to Ci. So the calculation it outputs may be unfinished, which would be an odd omission as it would be an easy step to include, choose m or km. Pressing the button for more info also doesn't acknowledge units.by Ian 10/1/2011 8:03:49 PM
- Seems the html code for superscript text doesn't work.by Ian 10/1/2011 8:04:34 PM
3.bp.blogspot.com
Professor Hayakawa's map that he's been updating since April (current version is 4.0): ex-skf.blogspot.comby Edano via 3.bp.blogspot 10/1/2011 8:06:02 PM- The maps on EX-SFK cut off along prefecture borders, they don't taper off. THat is SO not good. That means that results from the survey likely go into those other prefectures too. The heavy coloring along the west coast is bad news. That means there is some contamnation into the sea of japanby lillymunster 10/1/2011 8:06:58 PM
This map from MEXT 3.bp.blogspot.com
by lillymunster via 3.bp.blogspot 10/1/2011 8:07:19 PM- according to the last (Hayakawa) map, tokyo's got a lot of fallout.by Edano 10/1/2011 8:07:24 PM
- @Edano the professor's or MEXT?by lillymunster 10/1/2011 8:07:38 PM
- @lillymunster Hayakawa'by Edano 10/1/2011 8:07:50 PM
- @Edano I think when they finally have to release data for these other areas it is going to show that all of Honshu is somewhat contaminated. It is going to really anger people the levels are not always sky high but it went everywhereby lillymunster 10/1/2011 8:08:52 PM
- @lillymunster, agreed about the location being higher up.by Ian 10/1/2011 8:09:56 PM
- www.unscear.org Here's some Chernobyl Cs137 activity data.by Ian 10/1/2011 8:10:45 PM
- The larger maps in the MEXT PDF show that the remaining prefectures including TOKYO likely got contaminated radioactivity.mext.go.jpby lillymunster 10/1/2011 8:11:36 PM
- @lillymunster good find, honey :)by Edano 10/1/2011 8:13:12 PM
- "Andrew Spagnoli
October 1, 2011 at 6:58 am Log in to Reply
These readings are EXACTLY what we should expect from all of the other evidence that we have seen. There is no logical or scientifically supported reason why this type of false reading would occur in this way. The repeated vacillation of the meters close to the place where the corium melted through (that would be the Dry Well meters) is to be expected. The mass of melted fuel cools as it goes into a less-ideal shape for chain reaction. This causes less fuel to be reacting due to the amounts of water, fuel, and other metal, debris, etc in the mass. When a quake aftershock (or explosion?) happens, or when something shifts position in the collapsing debris piles, the fuel gets into a better shape, with more water in contact, and the heat and radiation both rise until melting (hopefully) causes the corium to get back into a less reactive shape/coniguration. This is very simplified and the process involves the behavior of nuclear materials themselves as well as the shape and composition of the melted corium blob, but this behavior would not likely indicate a faulty meter. "
enenews.comby Edano 10/1/2011 8:15:46 PM - sorry, wrong link : enenews.com
"Highest Yet: 512 Sv/hr at Reactor No. 1 — Still reads ‘defective meter’ (CHART)"by Edano 10/1/2011 8:19:01 PM 
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i'm not sure, but i hope this map is manipulated ????
web1.twitpic.comby Edano via Web1.twitpic 10/1/2011 8:24:14 PM
tepco description - around the 'grassland after'. the rubble is to the right of what looks like a scooter handle (arrowed)
by elainekirk 10/1/2011 8:24:54 PM
tepco description - areound the 'grassland before' . The rubble is to the left of what looks like a scooter handle (arrowed)
by elainekirk 10/1/2011 8:26:14 PM- the ocean in the background.by Edano 10/1/2011 8:27:58 PM
- @edano, I have been following this line of thought, but had no good ideas yet. Have we ever found out how precisely tepco measures the activity in the primary containment? Do they draw samples from the atmosphere inside the containment? My first thought was that if the activity level actually rose to 600 Sv/h, wouldn't the ambient readings rise commensurately in the building? In addition, if quakes unleashed new fission, would not we see increased concentrations of fission products in the effluent water and air?by Peter 10/1/2011 8:29:16 PM
- @Peter or high temp spikes ?by Edano 10/1/2011 8:30:54 PM
- @Edano yup I am trying to locate it using the sea barriers as a guide but no luck so farby elainekirk 10/1/2011 8:31:20 PM
, there is a seat in that rubble very strange
by elainekirk 10/1/2011 8:32:01 PM- @elainekirk south of the plants there is a road up in the mountains, maybe there.by Edano 10/1/2011 8:32:33 PM
- it must be south, you can see the harbor walls of fuku.by Edano 10/1/2011 8:33:23 PM
- @Edano I can't get over that seat being with a whatever of high rad ?by elainekirk 10/1/2011 8:34:22 PM
- yep strange.by Edano 10/1/2011 8:34:59 PM
- @Edano back to the global huntby elainekirk 10/1/2011 8:35:28 PM
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