
@Pedro Jesus thanks for posting both the airport and the reactor in Spain articles. We are getting zero about either over here in the US
by lillymunster 10/24/2011 12:20:56 PM

@lillymunster yes, i said that i cannot see from your docs that (additional) drillings have been made lately.
by Edano 10/24/2011 12:22:31 PM

@Edano I couldn't tell either by that statement if they refer to the previous drilling or new drilling.
by lillymunster 10/24/2011 12:27:45 PM

@lillymunster we should ask dean if low water levels are normal in cold shutdown.
by Edano 10/24/2011 12:29:20 PM

@Edano the document with that comment, Now that I have it unlocked I translated various parts that were not obvious what they were. The remainder reviews old news.
by lillymunster 10/24/2011 12:32:03 PM

@lillymunster the english version isn't published yet will keep watch ou for awhile will check again later
by elainekirk 10/24/2011 12:33:34 PM

@lillymunster okay, then it refers to past events, maybe a summary.
by Edano 10/24/2011 12:35:30 PM

@elainekirk Thanks. If we can find it, it would be good to see their trans vs. google to see if it phrases different.
by lillymunster 10/24/2011 12:36:25 PM

@Elaine, this doc has some minor INES level events at a reactor in Sweden.
www.ecology.atby lillymunster 10/24/2011 12:40:44 PM

More details on the lawsuit by residents to close Tsuruga reactor
mdn.mainichi.jpby lillymunster 10/24/2011 12:42:23 PM

greetings to all
by dean 10/24/2011 12:50:58 PM

hi Dean!
by lillymunster 10/24/2011 12:52:10 PM

@dean hi dean ! is it normal (possible) that core water levels falls under fuel top on cold shutdown ?
by Edano 10/24/2011 12:53:36 PM

#5 core water level: 1843 mm
#6 core water level: 2070 mm
by Edano 10/24/2011 12:56:24 PM

@Edano, I would say that if the fuel is removed in a normal planned shutdown the water level can be taken that low.. or lower,,,, if there is fuel in the core absolutely not "unless" there is an issue
by dean 10/24/2011 12:57:15 PM

hi @ lilly
by dean 10/24/2011 12:57:19 PM

@dean forget my questions ! it is a conversion error, i just saw it.
by Edano 10/24/2011 12:57:41 PM

@you it is + 1843mm not - (minus). my fault !!!
by Edano 10/24/2011 12:58:49 PM

@ Pedro... this statement , if I read it correctly is breaking the law.... I can't believe they would say this...
""The operator has decided to shut down the NPP and cut the connection to the grid as a preventive measure, before automatic shutdown would be enforced by the safety systems, adds the CSN in a press release. The organism assures that "the safety systems have operated correctly".".
by dean 10/24/2011 12:58:50 PM

okay, water levels in 5 and 6 are normal. just to put it straight. no recriticality for sure.
by Edano 10/24/2011 12:59:42 PM

@Edano.. it is possible and has either come close or actually happened where the water level in the vessel has been accidently taken that low... PEOPLE ERROR
by dean 10/24/2011 12:59:48 PM

People error = personnel error on NRC reports could be searched for low water in the reactor vessel....
by dean 10/24/2011 1:00:36 PM

@dean this all seemed related to all those system testing and shutdowns.
by lillymunster 10/24/2011 1:06:28 PM

en.wikipedia.org this article has some pretty good information on the DESIGN BASIS ACCIDENT.. and if one reads the safety systems in action... and eliminates the systems due to loss of power or systems ruined in the EQ or tsunami.. any plant can have the water level quickly below the fuel
by dean 10/24/2011 1:07:38 PM

Dean - is the residual heat removal system part of the emergency systems or part of the normal maintenance systems to operate the reactor? They seem to be messing with them quite a bit at 5-6
From 10:03 am to 10:43 am on August 8, we stopped the residual heat removal system
pump (D) in order to switch the power source of the pump (C) as well as conducting its
commissioning (C)
- In order to repair the outlet valve of Unit 5 residual heat removal system seawater
pump (D), from 9:45 am to 10:42 am, September 26, we switched the seawater
pump from B system (permanently installed) to A system (temporarily installed).
by lillymunster 10/24/2011 1:09:20 PM

RHR is normally used
by dean 10/24/2011 1:11:56 PM

Heat is removed during normal power operation by generating steam in the reactor vessel and then using
that steam to generate electrical energy. When the reactor is shutdown, the core will still continue to
generate decay heat. The heat is removed by bypassing the turbine and dumping the steam directly to
the condenser. The shutdown cooling mode of the residual heat removal (RHR) system is used to
complete the cooldown process when pressure decreases to approximately 50 psig.
by dean 10/24/2011 1:16:27 PM

@dean are those RHR units intended to operate for months on end?
by lillymunster 10/24/2011 1:17:38 PM

@ LILLY .. I don't belive so ... but would want to check the SFP cooling system to be sure
by dean 10/24/2011 1:18:27 PM

Low Pressure Emergency Core Cooling Systems
The low pressure emergency core cooling systems consist of two separate and independent systems, the
core spray system and the low pressure coolant injection (LPCI) mode of the residual heat removal
system. The core spray system consists of two separate and independent pumping loops, each capable
of pumping water from the suppression pool into the reactor vessel. Core cooling is accomplished by
spraying water on top of the fuel assemblies.
The low pressure coolant injection mode of the residual heat removal system provides makeup water to
the reactor vessel for core cooling under loss of coolant accident conditions. The residual heat removal
system is a multipurpose system with several operational modes, each utilizing the same major pieces
of equipment. The low pressure coolant injection mode is the dominant mode and normal valve lineup
configuration of the residual heat removal system. The low pressure coolant injection mode operates
automatically to restore and, if necessary, maintain the reactor vessel coolant inventory to preclude fuel
cladding temperatures in excess of 2200EF. During low pressure coolant injection operation, the residual
heat removal pumps take water from the suppression pool and discharge to the reactor vessel.
by dean 10/24/2011 1:21:20 PM

@dean they also mention working on seawater cooling systems. I am assuming the sea water is the other side of the RHR cooling loops On September 30, as the repair work for the outlet valve of Unit 5 Residual Heat
Removal System Sea Water Pump completed, between 11:30 am and 11:34 am on
the same day, the Residual Heat Removal System was switched from A system to B
(the Residual Heat Removal System Sea Water Line was also switched from A
system to B).
by lillymunster 10/24/2011 1:22:25 PM

brb
by dean 10/24/2011 1:52:15 PM

sorry .. a man in the coffee shop wanted to ask about what I do .. lol
by dean 10/24/2011 1:52:38 PM

@ lilly.. exactly.. it sounds as if the main RHR system and supporting sea water system was damaged so the new switching of power and temporary sea water system was put in place
by dean 10/24/2011 1:53:49 PM

www.nrc.gov @lilly.. check page 3-7 with the figure
by dean 10/24/2011 1:54:56 PM

@ lilly.. I doubt that the RHR has the capacity to remove much more than the "residual" heat after the decay heat has all been removed and the temps are lower... I'm sure the RHR system would have been overwhelmed and the heat exchanger could have boiled from the heat..
by dean 10/24/2011 1:59:08 PM

@dean today's burning question. What is going on at 5-6. There are reports they are sending a bunch of additional Hitachi contractors to Fuku.
by lillymunster 10/24/2011 2:04:30 PM

jneslibrary this is a good document with information and drawings for Japan plants.. put out by the Japan Nuclear Energy Safety Organization
by dean 10/24/2011 2:07:11 PM

by dean 10/24/2011 2:07:24 PM

@dean nice - picture explains better.
by lillymunster 10/24/2011 2:08:29 PM

@ Pedro, breaking the law may be too rough,,, the intent it seemed was for the utility plant to remove the nuclear plant from the electrical grid system with the idea of bypassing the safety shutdown systems
by dean 10/24/2011 2:08:59 PM

@lilly.. check this out for other uses of the RHR " Residual heat removal system
The residual heat removal system is provided for removal of the residual heat during a normal
reactor shutdown and nuclear reactor isolation condition and for core cooling in case of a loss
of coolant accident, etc.
The system consists of three independent loops, consisting of two sets of heat exchangers and
three sets of pumps, which can be used in four modes by changing valve lineup. In addition,
the system can cool the fuel pool using a connection line to the fuel pool cooling and cleanup
system, when required."
by dean 10/24/2011 2:11:56 PM