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@Peter so technically it works but highly inaccurate?
by lillymunster 10/23/2011 3:58:32 PM

@you , also must experiment with the exposure time. This project may take a month or so. This is the procedure used with the film badges. So, yes, in principle this works.
by Peter 10/23/2011 4:00:16 PM

Pieces of X-ray film are used in film badges.
by Peter 10/23/2011 4:01:14 PM

@Peter I would worry about a false positive sending someone into a panic and causing them to incur large costs in additional equipment and decontaminating
by lillymunster 10/23/2011 4:07:16 PM

The mantra of Japanese officials is that there's no risk of cancer below 100 mSv. A leading proponent the crackpot Dr. Shunichi Yamashita houseoffoust.com . I knew that claim had to be a lie when I heard it, but here's some solid proof from a study (worth adding to the library):

"The ***ulative exposure to radiation from cardiac procedures was 5.3 milliSieverts (mSv) per patient-year […] There was a dose-dependent relation between exposure to radiation from cardiac procedures and subsequent risk of cancer. For every 10 mSv of low-dose ionizing radiation, there was a 3% increase in the risk of age- and sex-adjusted cancer over a mean follow-up period of five years." www.cmaj.ca
by Ian 10/23/2011 4:09:36 PM

@Ian :-) quite the find.
by lillymunster 10/23/2011 4:17:38 PM

@lillymunster, what's really amazing is that the quack Dr. Yamashita specifically referrers to the safety of doses < 100 mSv for children! But that study was on adults with a median age of 63.2 years. So if < 100 mSv posses risks for adults, a fortiori it's even more unsafe for children, being the most vulnerable population.
by Ian 10/23/2011 4:22:51 PM

i just returned from the movie "Contagion." there is exactly that quack busby type that earns millions with deceptive medicaments. really disgusting.
by Edano 10/23/2011 4:28:08 PM

@lillymunster , this is for people who understand experimentation. You would have to try this out over months at various locations in your home, and then you'd really need expertise in film development and access to a lab. It is involved. The chemicals for film development are potential hazards. You just cannot drain the fixative down the sink.
by Peter 10/23/2011 4:29:56 PM

i often wish we wouldn't give those busbys and yamashits so much credit.
by Edano 10/23/2011 4:30:19 PM

@Peter I have some familiarity with film developing from an art angle via pinhole cameras etc. certainly something that takes effort to set up. We still used wet developing in bath tanks for xrays when I worked as a vet tech many years ago.
by lillymunster 10/23/2011 4:32:11 PM

there was a 7.2 quake 5 hours ago in turkey with estimated 1000 deaths ...
by Edano 10/23/2011 4:40:12 PM

by Edano via Deutsch-tuerkische-nachrichten.de 10/23/2011 4:40:38 PM

@Edano, Yamashita is a quack because he makes the fantastic claim that you can smile away the effects of radiation (which is indisputable quackery) and that < 100 mSv is safe even for children. On the other hand, the only evidence for Busby being a quack I've seen cited is that he believes a solid body of research that shows calcium reduces the bone deposition of strontium, and that for a time he planned to sell supplements to achieve that end. I don't see quackery in taking a science-supported position or in selling supplements based on it.
by Ian 10/23/2011 4:40:43 PM

@Ian eh, Busby has lots of other claims that are unsubstantiated. I consider both of them to be quacks.
by lillymunster 10/23/2011 4:43:09 PM

@lillymunster, I'll admit he's a bit of an eccentric, but the world is made richer by eccentrics. There is some evidence (I've seen in the A-bomb survivor data) for his biphasic risk model. It's my impression from reviewing dozens of studies that there may be different curves for different organs, illnesses, and exposure types / circumstances.
by Ian 10/23/2011 4:50:11 PM

@Ian it is not against you :). but a "researcher" selling pills and working for european committee all at the same time, is a little bit questionable. and surely he did not found out that calcium-strontium competition. this has been known since before his birth.
by Edano 10/23/2011 4:52:28 PM

@Edano, it's a conflict of interest, yes. I made a comment to that effect on his video. It seems he took that opinion on board and changed his mind.
by Ian 10/23/2011 4:55:04 PM

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by Edano 10/23/2011 4:55:32 PM

@Edano
by Ian 10/23/2011 4:58:16 PM

@Ian It has nothing to do with his being eccentric. His claims that multiple millions died due to Chernobyl doesn't really have enough solid science behind it. The same with some of his other claims, they lack good methodology, even though I think radiation risk is downplayed way too much Busby's work is sloppy. Some of his behavior does lean toward him being untrustworthy. That is a different thing than being eccentric. Peddling pills without disclosing what is in them for an astronomical fee, then only admitting the contents and later trying to back away from the scheme when large amounts of criticism show up really does damage his credibility as being honest or having a well thought out process for ideas. He has websites strewn all over the planet run by whomever he can get to do them without any organizational thought. He seems very unreliable and distracted. He also made some very inappropriate statements on his tour of Japan that scared the crap out of parents. These statements how he children are going to all die in great numbers and without any basis in facts as to how he came to that number. Scaring people at a time they need solid honest facts is as bad as Yamashita telling people to smile. If Busby has any solid data it is getting lost in his bizarre behavior.
by lillymunster 10/23/2011 4:59:31 PM

on the other hand, he is on the right side. (at least i hope it, but who knows ...)
by Edano 10/23/2011 5:05:06 PM

@Edano That is my frustration. I think Busby is coming from an angle that is trying to counter all the downplay propaganda but he just misses the mark
by lillymunster 10/23/2011 5:06:33 PM

5800 yen are 55 euros - quite a lot for calcium pills ...
by Edano 10/23/2011 5:06:46 PM

@Edano considering a giant jar of them is about $5 in the US
by lillymunster 10/23/2011 5:08:28 PM

Hey @lilly, thanks for your article houseoffoust.com Growing Public Voice In Japan Perfect trio of articles! Power to the People of Japan. (I'm off for the day, bbl)
by Mid Valley 10/23/2011 5:09:02 PM

@lillymunster yes i know. he is extremistic, but you will always find extremists on either side. and maybe they are necessary.
by Edano 10/23/2011 5:10:14 PM

@Mid Valley thanks! have a good day. let me know if you find more articles like that
by lillymunster 10/23/2011 5:10:27 PM

@Edano both sides of the issue in the extremes can cause bad outcomes. A false sense of security. Some parents let their kids play outside in areas of fallout after hearing Yamashita. Parents may think giving them Busby's supplements may protect their children from internal contamination and be less cautious about other protection measures. Or being scared into taking actions that are not necessary. Having someone leave the country and spend hundreds of thousands on medical tests when they were maybe in an area that didn't get concerning levels of radiation is insanely expensive. What if someone living in the south islands did this after hearing Busby declare overblown risks to children?
by lillymunster 10/23/2011 5:14:46 PM

@lillymunster, I hadn't noticed such examples. But have wrt to Helen Caldicott, who is prone to biased exaggeration wrt details I'm familiar with, so much so that I have to take anything she says about what I'm not familiar with with a grain of salt.
by Ian 10/23/2011 5:16:07 PM

@Ian What Busby reports and what comes through blogs and media in Japan seem to be a bit differing. He made some really over the top statements and scared the crap out of lots of parents. Many of the groups trying to protect children in Japan were not happy after doing more of their own research and finding where Busby stood vs. the array of evidence and opinions.
by lillymunster 10/23/2011 5:19:01 PM

@lillymunster yes the extremists always shake hands on another level. :)
by Edano 10/23/2011 5:19:38 PM

by Edano 10/23/2011 5:26:16 PM

english.kyodonews.jp

New levee prevents total power loss at nuclear plant in Ibaraki

TOKYO, Oct. 23, Kyodo

A nuclear power plant in Ibaraki Prefecture run by Japan Atomic Power Co. managed to avoid a total power loss during the March 11 earthquake and tsunami thanks to a levee the company was reconstructing voluntarily, sources familiar with the matter said Sunday.

A government panel investigating the nuclear crisis at the Fukushima Daiichi power plant is analyzing measures taken by the company at the Tokai Daini atomic power plant on the assumption that the absence of such steps would have led to a similar serious accident, a source close to the panel said.

Japan Atomic Power concluded in 2002 that in preparing measures to deal with tsunami at the Tokai plant in Tokai, Ibaraki Prefecture, waves as high as 4.86 meters should be anticipated, based on an evaluation technology adopted by the Japan Society of Civil Engineers, the company said. english.kyodonews.jp
by Edano via English.kyodonews.jp 10/23/2011 5:30:57 PM

english.kyodonews.jp

Radioactive soil in Kashiwa
A plastic sheet covers an area where a high level of radioactive cesium has been detected in the soil in Kashiwa, Chiba Prefecture, on Oct. 23, 2011. A science ministry official said after inspecting the site the same day that the radioactive cesium is likely to have originated in rainwater contaminated with fallout from the crippled Fukushima Daiichi nuclear power plant. (Kyodo) english.kyodonews.jp
by Edano via English.kyodonews.jp 10/23/2011 5:35:08 PM

Japan, France to propose nuclear efforts

Japan and France plan to announce a joint communique on nuclear safety, which will include the creation of an international response team for nuclear emergencies.

Visiting French Prime Minister Francois Fillon will meet Japanese Prime Minister Yoshihiko Noda on Sunday.

Government sources say the communique will confirm the 2 countries' resolve to work together in making their nuclear power plants among the safest in the world.

The communique will also refer to plans to create an international response team, which will be dispatched to countries hit by nuclear accidents to provide assistance.

Japan and France are also studying ways to establish an institution to nurture personnel with expertise in the area of nuclear power risk management.

The 2 sides are also expected to announce joint efforts in the area of decontamination, and the establishment of a committee aimed at strengthening nuclear cooperation.

Noda expressed his hope that release of such a communique will deepen Japan's ties with France, which has an edge in nuclear power technology.

The French Prime Minister arrived in Japan on Saturday, and first visited the disaster-hit city of Ishinomaki in Miyagi Prefecture. He said France is ready to help with recovery efforts in both emotional and economic ways.

Sunday, October 23, 2011 09:01 +0900 (JST)
www3.nhk.or.jp
by Edano 10/23/2011 5:41:53 PM

international response team = areva cover-up team ?
by Edano 10/23/2011 5:43:22 PM

this is still the initial stages and with winter on its way by spring we are going to see weary peole finding hot spots in abundance
by elainekirk 10/23/2011 6:24:04 PM

Hi elaine kirk, Hi Edano, isnt Japan on or near the Eurasien Plate
Gujarat, India- An earthquake swarm of more than 41 earthquakes have shaken the region of Gujarat, India on October 21, 2011 following the 5.0 magnitude earthquake which struck the area the day prior at a depth of 15.5 km (9.6 miles). Since that time, the tremors in the region has increased at a frenzied pace- indicating the earthquake may be more than just a random seismic tremor. The Indian Plate is currently moving northeast at 5 cm/yr (2 in/yr), while the Eurasian Plate is moving north at only 2 cm/yr (0.8 in/yr). This is causing the Eurasian Plate to deform and the India Plate to compress at a rate of about 4 mm/yr (0.15 in/yr). The compression fold forming the Himalaya Mountains along the Tibetan plateau forms the base-line for the Alpide Belt which, as we mentioned earlier, is showing increased signs of stress. Volcanism and ongoing seismic activity is also being reported in the Karachi region which sits as a buttress between the countries of Pakistan and India.
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by Liz 10/23/2011 6:39:22 PM

@Liz
hi liz I am very obsessive about iceland and never really look at other plates this is very interesting
by elainekirk 10/23/2011 6:47:02 PM

There is lots going on with earthquakes right now. Must be from these Plates moving. Isnt there a vulcano on Iceland about to erupt? elainekirk
by Liz 10/23/2011 6:52:51 PM