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Just trying to rule out all possibilities for the blanket over Europe
by MaryW 11/15/2011 12:49:39 AM

@MaryW There is none in the UK, France, Spain etc.
by lillymunster 11/15/2011 12:50:46 AM

Split off a new nukeblog. So other than the fact that !@#$% nuclear fuel is leaking out of the !@#$% reactor building, everything is completely under control, and our calculations is that it can't happen again in 5,000 years. Whaaaaaaat???

fukunukeblog.blogspot.com
by artnuke 11/15/2011 12:50:48 AM

Does a health concern arise when exposure to low-levels of radiation particles is continuous over a long time period. You'd almost think so. And are there any effects to other life forms?
by MaryW 11/15/2011 12:59:00 AM

Croatia says no iodine there. Early Warning System on a nuclear accident (SPUNN) in the Republic of Croatia did not register the presence of iodine-131 . The measurements are automatically performed at a permanent location Holy Cross (Municipality Marija Gorica) and Batina (municipalities prefer), and measurement results are available on the website www.dzrns.hr / spunn . National Institute of Radiological and Nuclear Safety (DZRNS) prosecuting precise measurements of the concentration of iodine-131 in Croatia. For reading the results of such measurement takes time and will inform on them DZRNS later
www.dzns.hr
by lillymunster 11/15/2011 1:01:40 AM

@MaryW There is not straight answer to that. Grey area. LNT supporters would say any exposure for any period of time has an effect on any living forms, but there is no evidence supporting nor denying it 100%. There is evidence for and against that theory.
by Pedro Jesus 11/15/2011 1:33:31 AM

Another small spike in SE norway Oct 27 radnett.nrpa.no
by lillymunster 11/15/2011 1:47:07 AM

fukunukeblog.blogspot.com
Looks like kidney/renal failure is another form of radiation sickness, but unlike the "acute lukemia" case, this one is not confirmed, but I looked up and there are other studies linking radiation to renal failure. Unusual for a healthy fire fighter to cough blood and die of kidney failure after working at nuclear disaster site.
by artnuke 11/15/2011 1:48:12 AM

@artnuke If that was the case. Has there been any confirmation from independent, reliable
sources?
by Pedro Jesus 11/15/2011 1:50:35 AM

no. this is a classical misinterpretation (ref to kidney failure).
by Edano 11/15/2011 1:51:10 AM

"Due to its mode of beta decay, Iodine-131 is known for causing mutations and death in cells it penetrates. Accordingly, high does of the isotope are sometimes less dangerous than low doses. High doses tend to kill thyroid tissues that would otherwise become cancerous as a result of the radiation. Low doses, on the other hand are thought to be the major cause of increased thyroid cancers after accidental nuclear contamination, such as the radiation that was released during the nuclear tests conducted at the Nevada Test Site. Such dangers from low level radiation exposure are not detected for decades later." hisz.rsoe.hu
by Edano 11/15/2011 1:55:09 AM

@Edano frightening
by elainekirk 11/15/2011 2:00:45 AM

@elainekirk the threshold theory is pure nonsense.
by Edano 11/15/2011 2:02:38 AM

@Edano So is the Linear No Threshold theory, if you observe it from the same angle. Curiously, there is much more medical evidence to support the latter than the former. Scientists follow the former because it is clearly a safer approach.
by Pedro Jesus 11/15/2011 2:05:40 AM

I have come to the conclusion that EUDEP is a pain in the behind and makes it harder to find real data on radiation monitoring. All the small countries that send toe EUDEP then don't put data on their government websites.
by lillymunster 11/15/2011 2:10:51 AM

LNT is not nonsense. it is an approach to reality, an abstract model of a very complex reality.
by Edano 11/15/2011 2:12:27 AM

@lillymunster Sounds like supplying small countries with rad monitors for its citizens might be a good investment.
by MaryW 11/15/2011 2:13:22 AM

@Edano LNT is pure fiction, Edano, come on. There is no place in this universe, no point in space and time absolutely devoid from ionizing radiation. The universe came to be from radiation, live organisms in our planet developed in a radioactive environment. I don't see any reality in that theory. On the other hand, it is useful to give legislators the control to write more strict regulations. Unfortunately, it doesn't seem to be the case since the nuclear industry is clearly infiltrated within the Law in every country.

Even modern medicine doesn't always abide by the LNT theory. Take radiotherapy as a very strong and contradictory example.
by Pedro Jesus 11/15/2011 2:18:01 AM

"devoid of" (collocation)
by Pedro Jesus 11/15/2011 2:18:28 AM

@MaryW There needs to be a standardized international network that is fully open to the public.
by lillymunster 11/15/2011 2:19:42 AM

@lillymunster And add to that...standardized international statistics or language of the data
by MaryW 11/15/2011 2:22:32 AM

@Pedro Jesus it seems you don't understand radiotherapy nor evolution. philosophy may be more your discipline. :)
by Edano 11/15/2011 2:25:38 AM

Let me make my point of view clearer: LNT is accurate where it determines that any level of radiation affects cells. This has been confirmed by thousands of experiments throughout the last decades. On the other hand it is not accurate where it postulates that all these effects are bad for a living organism's integrity. There is surmounting evidence that this is not always the case, even if in the large majority of cases the LNT theory assumption is mostly, if not completely, correct. The LNT theory is a mathematical (statistical) tool developed to help us minimize the hazards of ionizing radiation exposure.
by Pedro Jesus 11/15/2011 2:26:51 AM

@MaryW with a standardized system the numbers, graphs and values are idential scientific numbers & expressions. The rest is just explanation and easy enough to set to translate various languages. The fact that we are so connected worldwide yet have no international network is kinda sad.
by lillymunster 11/15/2011 2:29:48 AM

@Edano Unfortunately, I do understand what part radiotherapy plays in modern medicine. The decision of applying it or not is partly based on statistical analysis, but mostly based on faith.
by Pedro Jesus 11/15/2011 2:30:09 AM

From Minamata to Fukushima--The Japanese Nuclear Crisis Isn't Over Yet. November 14.2011. www.huffingtonpost.com
by MaryW 11/15/2011 2:30:43 AM

Updated EU radmap with dates of spike in each country/location
by lillymunster 11/15/2011 2:31:06 AM

@Edano By the way, I'm not trying to undermine your faith on the LNT theory. If it serves your personal and professional purpose, then it is a good tool after all. I only wanted to point out for those who are not aware that it is not a scientifically proven theory as, at times, you try to portray.
by Pedro Jesus 11/15/2011 2:34:49 AM

@Pedro Jesus I will have to present your last post on 'what part radiotherapy plays in modern medicine...mostly based on faith', to my daughter. She is a research scientist in biochemistry and molecular biology, specializing in cancer research. Her post-doctoral was at St Jude's Children Hospital which was intense because faith is definitely what you need when your patients are children.
by MaryW 11/15/2011 2:39:02 AM

And I would like to add, faith is also what you need in treating the research lab animals.
by MaryW 11/15/2011 2:41:45 AM

@MaryW A cruel truth... who first passed me that line was the daughter of my mother's former partner who is exactly in the same line of research as your daughter, also focusing on Pediatric oncology.
by Pedro Jesus 11/15/2011 2:43:18 AM

At a dead end with the EU radiation map. The earliest location is Ukraine but we don't have a radiation station location that they detected at. The next closest location is 6 days away. Then things seem to slow a bit and show up the 24 and 27th in a further out ring. Either Ukraine is the center of it on the 10th or somewhere in Romania, Moldova or N. Turkey was the epicenter. Without some data from Romania or Turkey I can't pinpoint further
by lillymunster 11/15/2011 2:55:56 AM

@lillymunster Talking about Turkey, might the recent earthquake there have anything to do with it?
by Pedro Jesus 11/15/2011 2:57:14 AM

If you look at the alert map, All the radiation icons' descriptions are entitled 'additional area', except the icon for, Czech Republic, description is 'Nuclear Event'. Is that telling us something?
by MaryW 11/15/2011 3:01:21 AM

@lillymunster A slowdown or increase may have been affected by winds or even rainfall.
by MaryW 11/15/2011 3:02:56 AM

@Pedro Jesus The first quake was oct 23rd - it would seem a likely candidate but most initial findings in EU start Oct 17 or Oct 10
by lillymunster 11/15/2011 3:05:50 AM

@MaryW right wind and weather play a role. This is moving really slow, also that region of the EU has winds from the N and E
by lillymunster 11/15/2011 3:06:50 AM

Found a wind map you can set for October and look at EU and at specific countries w ww.windfinder.com/windstats/windstatistic_map_europe_10.htm
by lillymunster 11/15/2011 3:09:41 AM

Again on the alert map, the Czech Republic report was updated 3 times today. Although no change or progress in the 3 reports
by MaryW 11/15/2011 3:09:56 AM

@lillymunster It doesn't seem to fit the time frame, then. Perhaps a strange combination of factors. Not likely but could be the case.
by Pedro Jesus 11/15/2011 3:10:04 AM