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  • Ugh
    by bo 1/13/2012 1:04:04 PM

  • Update on the worker who died earlier this week.


    (UPDATE from Ryuichi Kino: The police took the body right after the ambulance arrived at the hospital. So the worker had been dead. He's asking how TEPCO (who had the personnel at the hospital) considered the whole situation.)
    by lillymunster 1/13/2012 1:08:24 PM

  • Bed Bath & Beyond pulls radioactive metal tissue holders that have cobalt 60 in them www.pressherald.com
    by lillymunster 1/13/2012 1:10:28 PM

  • @lillymunster , let's be careful with this. Hard physical work wearing a filter mask imposes absolute strain on the respiratory and the cardiovascular system. I remember, running rounds on an athletic field wearing a gas mask without filter one August many years ago. Though we were only 18, the circumferentially challenged began puking into their masks after a few rounds and one with a prior unknown heart condition ended up hospitalized. The workers who passed away at Fukushima during cleanup work seem older people. It is entirely possible that this is only the result of the difficult working conditions at the plant.
    by Peter 1/13/2012 1:12:47 PM

  • @Peter but peter, usually you stop working when you feel bad. you do not work until you collapse dying. unless you are a slave. this is far from normal.
    by Edano 1/13/2012 1:16:51 PM

  • Toshiba may put solar in evac zone www.bloomberg.com
    by lillymunster 1/13/2012 1:18:31 PM

  • i cannot think of a single case of deadly work that i heared of before, except accidents.
    by Edano 1/13/2012 1:21:52 PM

  • Right that wearing a respirator is difficult at best. The gear is hard to work in. Anyone who has had to train in army NBC gear will tell you it is pretty horrible even for younger people. It is winter there so the heat isn't a factor this time. The worker that died of acute leukemia was younger.

    The point Edano makes though, they are doing less critical work and could have slowed down as needed.
    by lillymunster 1/13/2012 1:22:22 PM

  • We have to bear in mind that from the 6 or 7 types of acute leukemia known to modern medicine only one has ever been linked to ionizing radiation exposure, and that one takes several months to years upon diagnose to lead to death. Of those types, there is only one that can lead to death in days or weeks and this one has never been directly associated with ionizing radiation. It is, therefore, according to our modern knowledge of medicine, highly unlikely that any of those reported deaths in Fukushima-Daiichi (or from people who had worked there in the first months after the accident) would be directly related to exposure to low or high doses of radiation at the site. That is, unless the doctors who have assisted the workers and conducted the autopsies are lying, which I also find highly unlikely.
    by Pedro Jesus 1/13/2012 1:40:13 PM

  • @Pedro Jesus only one worker had acute leukemia. So far no autopsies have been done on any of the workers that died. That makes this incident notable that the police stepped in and are treating it as a suspicious death. There also is no explanation for the 2 hour delay in transporting him to the hospital.

    It is not unheard of to pressure doctors to put a more convenient cause of death on a death certificate. There are some notable such incidents in the US. A Hanford worker that died from plutonium exposure was declared a natural death by the local coroner. The family transported the body back to their home town and had the local coroner look at the body. They found it highly contaminated with plutonium and that was the cause of his death. So those kinds of things can happen. In relation to Japan right now we have very limited information. Having the local police and coroner involved is a good sign that the local government isn't going to turn a blind eye to worker deaths at the plant anymore.
    by lillymunster 1/13/2012 2:45:31 PM

  • World no nukes conference that starts today in Yokohama will be broadcast online in Japanese and English www.npfree.jp
    by lillymunster 1/13/2012 2:49:50 PM

  • English page of the TV broadcasts npfree.jp
    by lillymunster 1/13/2012 2:50:56 PM

  • @lillymunster When did that Hanford case happen? Is it fully documented?
    by Pedro Jesus 1/13/2012 2:52:34 PM

  • @Pedro Jesus back in the 1040's-1950's. IIRC it became a case against the govt at some point.
    by lillymunster 1/13/2012 3:00:49 PM

  • This mentions the worker death at Hanford, about half way down the page www.hanfordchallenge.org
    by lillymunster 1/13/2012 3:10:54 PM

  • @lillymunster Well, that's what I thought. That level of cover up is very hard to accomplish these days in a democracy. Even in a dictatorship. That's why I use the expression 'highly unlikely'.
    by Pedro Jesus 1/13/2012 3:11:01 PM

  • Newspaper clipping about the worker death at Hanford news.google.com
    by lillymunster 1/13/2012 3:12:35 PM

  • @Pedro Jesus not in the US. Certain levels of deception and cover up happen all the time. They are usually things like the FBI using front companies to do things that would be frowned upon if they were known they were doing them. They are usually found out by someone snooping and looking at tangent open records that tip off what they are doing. There was one mentioned on a radio program the other day where the FBI was operating civilian planes to spy on people by owning the planes through front companies. A reporter eventually figured it out by looking at FAA information starting with a suspicious plane and working his way back.
    by lillymunster 1/13/2012 3:16:26 PM

  • @lillymunster I remember a documentary (I believe it was reposted here in the scribble not long ago) about the Manhattan Project where the workers and even some of the technicians were totally unaware of the risks involved. But, that was 70 years ago... times have changed in that respect.
    by Pedro Jesus 1/13/2012 3:16:38 PM

  • @Pedro Jesus A good example of attemted cover up, Eric Holder and Arizona ATF/DHS.
    by Shadow 1/13/2012 3:21:31 PM

  • @lillymunster Well, that's exactly what I mean. It is very hard and expensive to go to that level of cover up nowadays. And it usually never lasts long until someone leaks information. I don't think the nuclear industry can afford a state of the art cover up system.
    by Pedro Jesus 1/13/2012 3:22:11 PM

  • But they never stop trying.
    by Shadow 1/13/2012 3:23:36 PM

  • South Korea 'The 680,000kW No. 1 reactor at Wolseong Nuclear Power Plant in Gyeongju, Gyeongsangbuk-do has been shut down due to a malfunctioning component. The reactor, the design life of which expires on November 30 this year, malfunctioned just six months after comprehensive maintenance that lasted two years and three months, prompting controversy over its safety. The Ministry of Knowledge Economy (MKE) and Korea Hydro & Nuclear Power Co. Ltd (KHNP), stated on Thursday that the reactor had been shut down at around 4:24 that morning after a temperature sensor on one of its four reactor coolant pumps malfunctioned. No radiation leak had occurred, and the reactor would be restarted within two to three days'....The Korea Federation of Environmental Movements issued a statement saying, “Until this accident, the Wolseong No. 1 reactor has recorded 51 malfunctions over 30 years due to flaws in machinery and components, including radiation leaks, coolant leaks, and reactor shutdowns. Local residents and civic groups have been demanding that the reactor be decommissioned but the government unreasonably restarted it in July last year.' hisz.rsoe.hu
    by UKVal 1/13/2012 3:25:00 PM

  • OH, Good Friday the 13th to all. :)
    by Shadow 1/13/2012 3:25:28 PM

  • @Shadow They never do. My country has been involved in a dispute about a recent major cover up involving the Government, the Courts, the secret services, the energy industry and the masonry. It's been all unfolding now. Some people are just two greedy. Power corrupts.
    by Pedro Jesus 1/13/2012 3:29:43 PM

  • There is almost no transparency or accountability of the police in Japan. They have a 98% conviction rate. They are absolutely capable of collusion especially with an entity that has power.
    by bo 1/13/2012 3:30:38 PM

  • @Shadow Right. I'm usually pretty lucky on Fridays the 13th... maybe I will win the European lottery today.
    by Pedro Jesus 1/13/2012 3:30:43 PM

  • @bo But are they corrupt? Who do they serve? The Courts or the Government?
    by Pedro Jesus 1/13/2012 3:31:53 PM

  • @Pedro Jesus I don't tempt any of the Gods if I can help it.;)
    by Shadow 1/13/2012 3:32:10 PM

  • @bo I trusted the government back in the sixties, I have learned better since then.
    by Shadow 1/13/2012 3:34:37 PM

  • True that cover up is much harder today, we (and all the others covering fukushima) are living proof of that. :-)
    All the available information online makes it that much harder to cover some things up. Police collusion in the US happens. I don't think it is horribly widespread but every year you hear of a few situations where the police themselves end up in trouble for crooked behavior. The 6 million dollar wall street bribe to the NYPD is a good example of one that goes unpunished.
    by lillymunster 1/13/2012 3:35:22 PM

  • TEPCO looks to become nationalized to gain taxpayer funds as expenses balloon mdn.mainichi.jp

    3 nabbed over fake contract for nuclear repair work in Fukui mdn.mainichi.jp
    by lillymunster 1/13/2012 3:37:56 PM

  • @ ALL, Take care, gotta go. :-)
    by Shadow 1/13/2012 3:39:07 PM

  • @Shadow take care. @Pedro Jesus I don't know who they serve. But there is no doubt that foreigners are targeted by the police, as are the poor.
    by bo 1/13/2012 3:42:52 PM

  • @bo Target in what way? They harass the poor and foreigners out of nothing? That's the first time I hear that.
    by Pedro Jesus 1/13/2012 3:44:50 PM

  • @lilly you posted a story yesterday about an LAPD officer assaulting a special needs woman on a bus. Look at how the BART police just executed Oscar Grant. The police are capable of a great deal of corruption and criminality.
    by bo 1/13/2012 3:44:50 PM

  • @Pedro Jesus they target Filipinos, Chinese and Koreans, the traditional socially marginalized groups here. They stop (non-white) foreigners on the street and ask for proof of legal status.

    Is there somewhere that the police don't target foreigners and the poor?
    by bo 1/13/2012 3:46:31 PM

  • And on that cheery note, it is tatami time for me. See you all tomorrow, when I will also be streaming the Yokohama conference all day. Cheers.
    by bo 1/13/2012 3:49:05 PM

  • @bo I see, well that marginalization happens all around. There is a reason behind it. But if you have nothing to hide you're all right. Times change. Decades ago I'd be searched by the police for walking the street at night only because I have long hair and used to wear dark clothes. Times change, though. Good night.
    by Pedro Jesus 1/13/2012 3:51:24 PM

  • This site shows just how much misconduct there is. Go to the 2010 spread sheet for a real eye-opener. Notice the incredibly light punishments cops recieve, when/if they are convicted and weep for injustice. Also notice how many are sex crimes, incl. many against kids. The court in Connecticut ruled that it IS NOT discrimination to not hire people with IQ's over 120, as they may get bored and their training be wasted. The avg IQ for cops is 104. Cop misconduct is a sore point for me, obviously. www.injusticeeverywhere.com
    by M.I.A. 1/13/2012 3:51:58 PM

  • @M.I.A. Well, that is a different angle of what we are discussing. I do not argue that the police is overprotected by the law and that police officers usually are also protected by the courts after committing a crime. I was just arguing that nowadays, when some cover up does happen, we find about it and it doesn't take that long for information to leak through the security levels. And in the case of workers' deaths related to Fukushima-Daiichi we haven't seen any shred of evidence pointing in that direction. That's the point I was trying to make.
    by Pedro Jesus 1/13/2012 3:57:01 PM

  • I have been victim of police misconduct in the past and I've witnessed cases of police misconduct in the last few years so I don't argue against that reality.
    by Pedro Jesus 1/13/2012 3:58:45 PM

  • @Pedro Jesus Then time will tell, one way or the other, about the workers. And if there has been a cover-up attempt, hopefully the participants will be suitably punished.
    by M.I.A. 1/13/2012 3:59:11 PM

  • @M.I.A. True. But I'm not so sure about the latter part. The biggest problem is not uncovering cover ups and bringing the crimes to trial. The hardest part of the process is proving the crimes in court and producing hard sentences in such cases. The Police, Government and Court tend to protect each other one way or the other. And there is also some level of corruption that varies from country to country. I've also been victim of a court judge misconduct (passive corruption that I haven't yet been able to prove) so I know the matter from inside out.
    by Pedro Jesus 1/13/2012 4:05:58 PM

  • The glimmer of hope in the police being involved in the worker death is that someone from the labor ministry was seriously mad at TEPCO after a previous worker death. They were quite irate at a joint press conference as to why they and law enforcement were not being informed about the previous deaths until after it was publicly announced, and too late to do anything.

    There are at least some in the government layers that see what is going on stinks and isn't following established process. I just hope that the results of the autopsy are made public at some point.
    by lillymunster 1/13/2012 4:22:06 PM

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