Japan Earthquake

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@stef I agree that a few medias mention thousands of japan people, including at Fukushima prefecture, against the nuclear plant on fault line, or the use of Mox..
by Future Isnow 3/26/2011 5:28:22 PM

@radioguy- you got it.
by stef 3/26/2011 5:28:47 PM

@George, RE:brainwashing. He's saying we are told this nuclear incident happened only because of quake and tsunami, otherwise nuclear power is totally safe. Unless you get the one two punch of earthquake tsunami nothing bad can happen. So, everyone with a Nuclear power plant in your backyard, sit down, don't question anything about it unless perhaps it could be exposed to an earthquake followed by a tsunami.
by tippytoe 3/26/2011 5:29:35 PM

oooops: that NO medias mention (or talk about) thousands of people . sorry mystaping
by Future Isnow 3/26/2011 5:30:24 PM

@M I guess it really just matters what is important to the person. Because of the implications of "not handling it properly", I think most of us here consider this near the top of the priority list. The more knowledge spread, the better chance we have of keeping the worst from happening because you never know- the guy who knows "why it's doing that" could be watching/reading.....

I don't like constant weather coverage either, but everywear I go, something's telling me the temperature! I only care if it's summertime or winter!!! Quit telling me the degrees!!

You get my point by now I hope.
by Dennis Tucker Jr 3/26/2011 5:30:36 PM

@M With respect, I do take your points, and agree with much of the logic on why the media aren't focussing on this. But I think the difference here is that a potential worldwide disaster is still nor resolved, and thus remains a real threat, currently stabilized situation or not. Funny then that an issue with such magnitude could be relegated down to the footnotes of all the major news channels. Even if there are no BIG new happenings to report on, there are so many aspects, consequences, connections, concerns, questions, debates, opinions etc. to be followed up on.... you know, the kind of thing that followed after say 911. There's been a distinct lack of the usual media frenzy I would expect, especially given this is a huge matter and nowhere near over yet, by anyone's account.
by Paul (UK) 3/26/2011 5:31:10 PM

CORRECTION: *everyWHERE I go....
by Dennis Tucker Jr 3/26/2011 5:32:10 PM

@tippytoe yes, it's exactly what is doing France today : we have the best security, japan probleme will never happen here. exactly the same Japan Tepco and Nisa have told to the Japan's people: a eartquake of 9 will never happen...
by Future Isnow 3/26/2011 5:32:15 PM

Mmm I see. I understand Daiichi was supposed to be closed last year but the government approved it for another was it 10 yrs of use? To me this is a huge mistake that may have changed the result we are seeing.
by amianda 3/26/2011 5:32:55 PM

@ Paul (UK) Agree 100%, well put.
by Rucco 3/26/2011 5:32:56 PM

The earthquake caused a tsunami which did what tsunamis do. The failure here was in the original design 40 years ago which looked at the historical record, saw no tsunamis over 25 feet, and decided that it meant 25 foot wall would be high enough. Having decided that, they took the false premise that no tsunami would be over 25 feet, built the wall, and then based the remaining design on that wall (and premise) being true. Pumps and generators located on low ground right by the seawall in a tsunami zone? Really??
by radioguy 3/26/2011 5:32:59 PM

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by amianda 3/26/2011 5:33:56 PM

@Paul (UK) Imagine if it were in the US or UK. Enough finger pointing going around to get stabbed in the eye.
by Jim Carver 3/26/2011 5:34:00 PM

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by amianda 3/26/2011 5:34:02 PM

@radioguy agreed 100%
by amianda 3/26/2011 5:34:27 PM

@radioguy yes, really, there are "experts..."
by Future Isnow 3/26/2011 5:34:28 PM

GE is happy they can point at Libya.
by radioguy 3/26/2011 5:34:38 PM

just to be clear- I'm not a conspiracy theorist, I'm not anti gov or some crazy (of course that is my opinion! :P ) but I do like to think that I am fairly intelligent in that I have common sense as well as use that common sense to figure out what may happen next, its kind of like standing at the edge of a building...you know that if you walk off of that building, you're going to fall off- you can see it in your head without actually doing it....where I'm going with this is...it seems like we all are waiting for the worst to happen- but we look to the media or to our leaders to put our minds at ease not by bs'ing us...but by simply stating "this is what is going on, like it or not, its happening...now use your common sense and do what you have to do to protect your life" ...they use "panic" as an excuse for the sugar coating...when in reality while there are a few freakshows that will be ridiculous- the panic is really caused by us figuring out we're being lied to. When trust is lost, what more can you have faith in...a good outcome is certainly not focused on.
by stef 3/26/2011 5:34:50 PM

and the most "secured nuclear industry", france , does exactly the same, and guess what ? a nuclear plant that experts wanted to be shut off in 2000, have get a 20 more years licence, just above a fault line...
by Future Isnow 3/26/2011 5:35:55 PM

I'm worried by the silence. It's like the calm before the storm.
by radioguy 3/26/2011 5:36:47 PM

@radioguy @stef Right on.
by Dennis Tucker Jr 3/26/2011 5:37:23 PM

@ radioguy-- the silence that we are hearing now is the storm that is already in progress. When they figure out a plan- they'll tell us all about it.
by stef 3/26/2011 5:37:28 PM

www.ustream.tv Wow this guy is nervous. Temperature at bottom of pressure vessel in #1 is 400 C. He says this is not itself a problem, but it indicates molten fuel may be collecting at the bottom.
by Bobby1 3/26/2011 5:37:29 PM

Reuters Photogallery, March 25th blogs.reuters.com
by kgriff 3/26/2011 5:37:39 PM

@radioguy: Problem was: Feeding pumps destroyed. Diesels worked! Only thing: they ran out of fuel. Their tanks have been wisely placed unprotected at the edge to the coast. Not a problem of a 40 year old design. A 40 year old mistake could easily have been detected and solved. No one really reviewed the problems of the layout & backup solutions.
by Max 3/26/2011 5:37:56 PM

Real change only comes from the ground up. Don't look for the status quo to provide answers.
by Jim Carver 3/26/2011 5:37:59 PM

@radioguy This is like watching a duck swim...above the water it is all calm and unruffled, under the surface it is paddling like mad
by MaryMary 3/26/2011 5:38:14 PM

@Bobby1 You picked up on that also, eh? Yeah. So how long DO we have until it melts ALL the way through would have been my next question.
by Dennis Tucker Jr 3/26/2011 5:38:16 PM

I'm nearly holding my breath waiting for the inevitable (though in Japanese) "Who could have expected..."
by radioguy 3/26/2011 5:38:24 PM

Asahi repots "Radiation from Fukushima exceeds TMI". 3.2 million Bequerels/square-meter on 20th of march in Itate. Wow, if true, that was quite a hot spot. I wonder what else they have been covering about the radiation measurements. The radiation does not have to disperse evenly, especially during windy/rainy weather.
by vasras 3/26/2011 5:38:38 PM

@marymary well put.
by radioguy 3/26/2011 5:38:49 PM

@ bobby1- good find.
by stef 3/26/2011 5:39:00 PM

@Dennis Tucker Jr The question seems to be "when", not "if".
by Bobby1 3/26/2011 5:39:07 PM

@Max True. Infrastructure maintenance is expensive and not sexy.
by radioguy 3/26/2011 5:40:20 PM

Greenpeace: From Our radiation sampling team in Japan (26.3. 16:18): "The alarms of the devices can't be turned off, and in particularly high radiation areas they'd all go off. There was one place we hit such a high reading that we didn't even stop there.". There appears to be hotspots.
by vasras 3/26/2011 5:40:21 PM

collective relocation of fukushima residents www3.nhk.or.jp
by nls 3/26/2011 5:40:33 PM

@Bobby1 I asked 'how long we had' not 'if it was happening'.....
by Dennis Tucker Jr 3/26/2011 5:41:42 PM

@Future Isnow and everyone else who has a power plant in their backyard. Two things really worry me about nuclear power. 1) Its vulnerable to power outages. There was a huge solar storm in 1859 (google Carrington Event 1859), experts say that if it happened today it could destroy the electrical grid completely. Do any nuclear power plants have a contingency plan for a completely destroyed electrical grid? 2) Recorded history is too short. I live in Illinois on a major fault line. Nobody knows that the midwest lays on a major fault line. Look into the New Madrid Fault Line. Also look at NLE 2011, a FEMA exercise to respond to a large earthquake in the region www.fema.gov
by tippytoe 3/26/2011 5:42:15 PM

Did you see this Areva analysis slide set from yesterday about the assumed timeline of the reactor problem: scr.bi . Very good analysis along with good diagrams.
by vasras 3/26/2011 5:44:10 PM

@tippytoe Yes, and that is real. NASA issued an alert for solar maximum 2012-13.
by Jim Carver 3/26/2011 5:44:23 PM

@tippytoe: in France, nuclear plants have fuel generators. Same story as for Japan: no C plan if you run out of fuel....
by Jo Lindien 3/26/2011 5:45:17 PM

@Dennis Tucker Jr [url=http://www.osti.gov/bridge/purl.cover.jsp?purl=/6124656-R8y05j/]BWR REACTOR VESSEL BOTTOM HEAD FAILURE MODES[/url] Melt through is like 28 hours
by NHK Listener 3/26/2011 5:45:36 PM

Given the time frames involved, and the results of one quick dousing with a tsunami, am I the only one wondering how you maintain the entombment on a failed nuclear plant when it's under 20 meters or so of water (assuming global warming is real)?
by radioguy 3/26/2011 5:46:03 PM

@tippytoe not to worry if that happens - it will be an immediate collapse of civilization and it will be over quick
by George Gibb 3/26/2011 5:46:26 PM

Fukushima Prefecture is the freight gateway to the tsunami inundated parts of Tohoku, it's really slow going to get north of Sendai via the mountains of Niigata and Yamagata, I can't see them extending the evacuation zone west as this will affect the supply lines
by andyjsha 3/26/2011 5:47:27 PM