Japan Earthquake

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Been reading for days on Reuters, very glad to see that it has continued here. Thanks, George, and thanks to everybody else for your very informative comments. I live on the Pacific coast in California, and have family in Japan, so am personally invested like most others here. This blog has really changed my views on nuclear power because of the lack of regulation, so I am very appreciative for the knowledge here.
by kayko 3/26/2011 4:52:46 PM

Rucco, I didn't realize the Reuters thread had been up again at all. They said they don't have enough interest? I guess that's because we all came here, and elsewhere to keep the conversation open. Sheesh. lol
by Janis 3/26/2011 4:53:39 PM

@Janis France is asking the "good questions" because it didn't happen in France... and also, from a french point of vue, I can put pages here about all the dumb a.s comment and errors that have made the french autorities at the beginning..
by Future Isnow 3/26/2011 4:53:45 PM

@Janis This one came after the 2nd time it closed....I believe
by borrrden 3/26/2011 4:54:06 PM

@Futureisnow: French criirad has been set-up in 1986, not 15 years later: www.criirad.org . Imho it has not changed a lot of things, except we have medurements showing how much officieal are lying when there is any incident
by Jo Lindien 3/26/2011 4:54:24 PM

@ George- I know I thanked you in the thingy on facebook- but thank you so much for this. It's kind of nice to see there are a lot of people with similar concerns AND we're not being TOTALLY edited by what people want us to say.
by stef 3/26/2011 4:54:34 PM

@Future Isnow You should probably mention that you are French, and that is why you can say that with such certainty ;)
by borrrden 3/26/2011 4:54:35 PM

The Reuters blog was moderated, honestly, the quality was much much better than here. Too much noise and reposts. But yeah, it's a shame they took it down, but understandable-900 viewers doesn't compare to the 20k they had. And there's nearly no news anymore, so all the posts will just be reposts.
by Jeff 3/26/2011 4:55:20 PM

@Janis, they put it on hold for 6 hours. Then they put it back on for 3 hours. But guess what, all the viewers are gone. Now they say the blog is "going on hiatus"
by Rucco 3/26/2011 4:55:50 PM

@kayko Best hopes to your family and everyone else in Japan, but it is not the lack of regulation that surprises me it was the lack of contingency plans (not for the combination of all 3 events just for the nuclear side).
by Jeff 3/26/2011 4:56:16 PM

@borrrden No, we were up with skeleton crew.
by Jim Carver 3/26/2011 4:56:36 PM

still a interesting read live.reuters.com
by kgriff 3/26/2011 4:56:55 PM

@WolfDK yes, I believe it too . Mr Tanaka explained this morning, on document he got from the prime minister office yesterday, that the core 1 was damaged the 11 march. He explained why, with the real numbers from tepco . I can't find again that damned video, but I will got it, can't type here and search ;)
by Future Isnow 3/26/2011 4:57:02 PM

Thanks George, this is nice!
Thanks Ralph, exactly the links where I used to go.
So... seawater in the news today, for the rest gradual slow decrease in measured radioactivity... Anything else?
by Petra 3/26/2011 4:57:18 PM

@ Jeff- yes, the reuters blog had a lot of updates and sounded out a lot of noise. I don't think all of the noise is bad though. It's not like some of these idiot forums that suggest japan planned the whole thing out to get the US out. haha. Seriously, it was on that ridiuclous abovetopsecret site.
by stef 3/26/2011 4:57:43 PM

TEPCO's Fukushima office acknowledged Saturday that it had known earlier that the radiation in the underground level of the turbine building of one of the reactors was extremely high, but had not made the information available to pertinent parties.

Edano criticized the utility's handling of the data, saying unless it reports necessary information to authorities in a timely manner, ''the government will not be able to give appropriate instructions and (TEPCO) will make workers, and eventually the public, distrustful'' of the firm.http://english.kyodonews.jp/news/2011/03/81252.html
by NHK Listener 3/26/2011 4:58:27 PM

@stef Or facebook, where there were tons of posts afterwords saying the tsunami was "revenge for Pearl Harbor"
by borrrden 3/26/2011 4:58:48 PM

@stef: I agree, sometimes noise is good, but Reuters found the right amount, in my opinion. They might just had a huge amount of trolls after the two weeks, and filtering out all the crap would have been too much work.
by Jeff 3/26/2011 4:58:52 PM

Take a look at the story of at least two tsunamis in England. One as a result of an earthquake in Lissabon. I am sure this is healty for french reactors if there are some at the coastline. I didn't have time to research if they have them close to the shores.
by Max 3/26/2011 4:59:27 PM

@Jeff I really hope you're right.
by Rucco 3/26/2011 4:59:44 PM

@janis: as a french citizen, I can tell not muchhas changed here regarding nuclear. Our president is still claiming it's perfectly safe...the only decision that's been taken recently is ...a 3 month-moratorium on photovoltaics! Japan has also almost dispappeared from french media...so it's not better here than anywhere else.
by nestor 3/26/2011 5:00:05 PM

@stef@Jeff also I think reuters got turned off after the 4chan crew pulled a bunch over on their libya live blog.
by Jeff 3/26/2011 5:00:20 PM

The way I see it is if your here you probably have a personal stake in whats going so whats the harm in voicing your opinions and maybe learning what others think
by George Gibb 3/26/2011 5:00:24 PM

@Janis - the lying was so evident at last night's NISA Press Conference. I couldn't believe that the speaker kept turning his back on the reporters and asking another individual for answers. He would talk to the other guy, make notes then come back to answer the question which was usually an "I don't know" type of answer. It was in Japanese so I had my "translator" working overtime. Everyone was disgusted with the lies and poor responses.
by ColorMeRed 3/26/2011 5:00:31 PM

Don't know if y'all have seen this www.dailykos.com Friend Moderator, how can I make that or other urls into a direct link from here to other sites? Thanks everyone.
by ariadne 3/26/2011 5:00:41 PM

@ Jeff- lol at "trolls". Anyway, yes borrrden- I read that and was infuriated with how silly people get. I'm really nervous that another huge quake or tsunami could really finish japan off while they are so vulnerable.
by stef 3/26/2011 5:00:42 PM

2 AM now, so I guess I should go to bed. I just saw the most heartbreaking video on NHK of a father accepting his missing son's diploma at a graduation ceremony, and a student crying while giving a speech about the disaster.......
by borrrden 3/26/2011 5:00:51 PM

oh, it looks like it does it automatically. thanks
by ariadne 3/26/2011 5:00:55 PM

@borrrden true, yes, I'm french. @Jo Lindien ooops, my bad. in fact, you're right . Criirad birth is 1986, it's their full rapport on Chernobyl who have take some time to be complete and to go public. shame on me
by Future Isnow 3/26/2011 5:01:16 PM

@max: most of french reactors close to the coastlines are on top of a cliff; but there is one that could be easily flooded and was during the Xynthia storm
by Jo Lindien 3/26/2011 5:01:20 PM

@Other Jeff: Might very well be. Anyways, I'll check back here sometimes, can't hurt to read more opinions :-)
by Jeff 3/26/2011 5:01:20 PM

@all I watched a documentary about Chernobyl a few days ago and the first aspect of entombment for the reactor was the use of helicopters by the military to dumb LEAD Pb into what was left of the structure. video.google.com
by Tenzing 3/26/2011 5:01:58 PM

Not saying I trust the French government either! As far as why this is barely covered in the US, I just don't buy anyone saying there's not enough interest in this story, or that there isn't any "new news" about it.
by Janis 3/26/2011 5:02:13 PM

The astonishingly informative CNIC (Citizens Nuclear Information Centre) conferences have their USTREAM archive here futureisnow, Goto San, Nakada san etc:
by andyjsha 3/26/2011 5:02:18 PM

www.ustream.tv
by andyjsha 3/26/2011 5:02:24 PM

This is not intended to start any downward spiral of conversation or fears. I just want other people to read the jaif report and tell me if what I see is really what I see it for: a huge, huge contradiction that SHOULD invoke response from appropriate personnel in Japan.

www.jaif.or.jp

If you read along, you will see that #1 and #3 "Containment Vessel Integrity" (very important to use correct terminology) are listed as "Not Damaged" (#3 is really not a new entry as I noticed it 2 or 3 days ago). If you read along further into the notes, you will also see:

"It is presumed that radioactive material inside the reactor vessel would have leaked outside the containment vessel at unit-1 and unit- 3, based on the investigation of the water sampled at turbine building."

Another KEY use (or misuse) of terminology here is that they say "materials" and not "particles".........

And the last time I checked, a solid rod could not "leak". That's something liquids do. (A liquid is technically the molten state of any substance).

Scientists understand the use of correct terminology, they're usually quite anal about it. There's an issue but it may not be the catastrophy it would appear to be.
by Dennis Tucker Jr 3/26/2011 5:03:09 PM

Great read on Japan not having the room for the recommended US evac zone. That scares me in light of all of the disaster waiting to happen in the US. I'm always complaining about all the peopel in the chicagoland area!
by stef 3/26/2011 5:03:32 PM

Tenzing, someone said yesterday that it will take at least a year for this site to "cool down enough" to even think about entombing it. Anyone know if that's true?
by Janis 3/26/2011 5:03:40 PM

@andyjsha thanks. but I have not found what I see that morning, the conference you give the link . I have not re -view all, but I can't find the one with the teperature of the core at n°1, from tepco.
by Future Isnow 3/26/2011 5:04:09 PM

The JAIF reports lost me when they stopped using numbers and instead had things like 'slightly decreasing after increasing'. And unknown and possibly.
by Jeff 3/26/2011 5:05:01 PM

@Janis The Russians say they know how to do it now.
by Jim Carver 3/26/2011 5:06:02 PM

Problem is the residual radiogenic heat. See if I can find that.
by Jim Carver 3/26/2011 5:07:11 PM

I think the real reason why most news agency no longer focus on the nuclear crisis is because there are no significant news to report. Unlike most people visiting this technical discussions, the general public is not really interested in learning that the temperature in the spent fuel pool of reactor four has increased by two degrees or that a pump at reactor one was switched to freshwater.

Keep in mind, so far not a single person has died from the nuclear disaster and you have to compare that to almost 30,000 people that died or are missing from the earthquake and tsunami. So it should not be a big surprise that the news agencies no longer provide minute by minute updates on the reactor problems. All these conspiracy theories about withholding information from the public are completely unfounded. I am glad to see that this discussion keeps the conspiracy theories at a minimum.

The situation at the plant has indeed stabilized. This is great because nothing got dramatically worse in recent days. But at the same time this is also very bad because the contamination of the environment is still continuing and it has a cumulative effect with no end in sight. But it is not news anymore, so nobody should be surprised if the media don't provide hourly status updates.
by M 3/26/2011 5:08:40 PM