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by Salvador 3/27/2011 9:48:15 AM

NEWS ADVISORY: Gov't orders TEPCO to find cause of radioactive water in No. 2 reactor (16:43) english.kyodonews.jp Sounds a bit stupid, eh? If it was that easy to get the information, no orders would be necessary.
by Salvador 3/27/2011 9:48:33 AM

@borrrden - That article disgusted me, especially the part about how it must be OK since radiotherapy is used.
by Hank Scorpio 3/27/2011 9:48:44 AM

Please do NOT include links to InfoWars / Prison Planet / Alex Jones / Busby or any of the other scare mongering fear-pushers, who have a 99% miss-ratio with their "reporting". They start with real facts and then they spin it out of reality. Their scare mongering doesn't help anyone. Let's try and stick to facts, please.
by vasra 3/27/2011 9:49:14 AM

I realize that some people have irrational fears of minute amounts of radiation, but to say standards are too low is ridiculous. I'd like to see the author eat Cesium tainted food on a daily basis and get back to me.
by Hank Scorpio 3/27/2011 9:49:41 AM

From Reuters: "Tokyo Electric Power Co said radiation in the water of the No. 2 reactor at the Fukushima Daiichi plant was measured at more than 1,000 millisieverts an hour. That compares with a national safety standard of 250 millisieverts over a year. The U.S. Environmental Protection Agency says a dose of 1,000 millisieverts is enough to cause hemorrhaging."
by Jennifer 3/27/2011 9:50:04 AM

From Reuters: "Tokyo Electric Power Co said radiation in the water of the No. 2 reactor at the Fukushima Daiichi plant was measured at more than 1,000 millisieverts an hour. That compares with a national safety standard of 250 millisieverts over a year. The U.S. Environmental Protection Agency says a dose of 1,000 millisieverts is enough to cause hemorrhaging."
by Jennifer 3/27/2011 9:50:08 AM

@Hank Scorpio Ironically though, the chemotherapy treatment for thyroid cancer involves high localized doses of Iodine-131
by borrrden 3/27/2011 9:50:37 AM

Latest as of 9:30 UTC time (using summer savings time of UK): 10 million times of normal reactor water radiation levels found in turbine halls of reactors 1 & 2 (Io-131, Io-134, Cs-134, Cs-137). Experts say core water is leaking from somewhere, probably via tubine hall or 2ndary pressure chambers. Workers evacuated from reactors 1 & 2. Tepco looking at possibility to pump the high radio-active water into the passive cooling system so that work can continue. According to NHK levels of Plutonium from water @ Reactor 3 has NOT been measured.
by vasra 3/27/2011 9:50:50 AM

delurking to post link to interview w/ fukushima fifty: www.telegraph.co.uk
by dtinla 3/27/2011 9:51:10 AM

@borrrden - True, but it does destroy the thyroid and necessitate life-long medication.
by Hank Scorpio 3/27/2011 9:53:30 AM

58% do not approve of gov't handling of nuclear power plant crisis english.kyodonews.jp
by NiteSpawn 3/27/2011 9:58:02 AM

Just read that Wade Allison article, though so interesting and salient points raised, thought the overall tone was patronising at best, and told me just as much by omission than anything else. No mention of caesium 137's awful effects, and comparing targeted doses of radiotherapy with long term non specific low level exposure would not make for a satisfactory epidemiological comparision in my view ...
by andyjsha 3/27/2011 10:01:02 AM

According to www.telegraph.co.uk the radiation in the water that the three workers were in was 2 - 6 Sv, that is above all I have read and above the 1000 mSv reported today, do they have their numbers wrong or do I?
by Katrin 3/27/2011 10:02:36 AM

@Hank Scorpio Well the first thought that went through my mind when I read the article was "Who in the world is saying this?!". In fact, it is something who is at least educated well on the topic....a pHD who works at Oxford researching in the field of medical physics "in particular safety, therapy and imaging across the full spectrum: ionizing radiation, ultrasound and magnetic resonance." en.wikipedia.org
by borrrden 3/27/2011 10:03:14 AM

Does anyone know what the max pressure is that the reactor will take ??
by wtm 3/27/2011 10:03:36 AM

@andyjsha - Not to mention the absolute whitewash treatment of Chernobyl.
by Hank Scorpio 3/27/2011 10:04:02 AM

@Katrin - The 2-6 Sv number is the overall dose. The 1,000 mSv/hour is the dose rate.
by Hank Scorpio 3/27/2011 10:04:45 AM

@ Hank Scorpio Ah ok, makes sense, thanks
by Katrin 3/27/2011 10:05:42 AM

@borrrden - Those qualifications would give me some consolation if it weren't for the fact that he cites the IAEA bullshit report on Chernobyl and reports "28 deaths" without a hint of irony.
by Hank Scorpio 3/27/2011 10:05:55 AM

Live www3.nhk.or.jp
by NiteSpawn 3/27/2011 10:06:22 AM

@borrden, well Allison is a retired particle physicist who developed an interest in medical physics - had he written the article jointly with either a radiological physiologist or a clinician specialisng in nuclear medicine I'd give it more value
by andyjsha 3/27/2011 10:06:31 AM

This atomic Plant will glloom until summer or longer the radioactive material is may be thousand times higher than in the hiroshima bomb The japanese people going into their slaughter house and dont now it, no one tell the truth.
by KaBa 3/27/2011 10:07:06 AM

@Hank Scorpio Well, I know that I didn't observe the death toll at Chernobyl myself. How should I know if it is 28 or 400,000? It wasn't an IAEA report either, it was by the United Nations Scientific Committee on the Effects of Atomic Radiation.
by borrrden 3/27/2011 10:08:43 AM

What bothered me was that the direct death toll was far higher than that. They've used a lack of records to come up with that number. He also completely sidesteps the after-effects upon the greater population.
by Hank Scorpio 3/27/2011 10:10:39 AM

And I do think the 400,000 number is BS too. Greenpeace is just as bad as the IAEA and the UN. They all play politics and no one bothers to actually do what it would take to find out for sure.
by Hank Scorpio 3/27/2011 10:11:13 AM

@Hank Scorpio I am actually reading the report he references directly now. I will let you know if I find anything interesting about after-effects conclusions. www.unscear.org
by borrrden 3/27/2011 10:12:26 AM

Thanks, @Salvador, were you referring to this one? It's on the board; you should see it near the bottom of the first page or the top of the second page.
> NEWS ADVISORY: Gov't orders TEPCO to find cause of radioactive water in No. 2 reactor (16:43)
> english.kyodonews.jp Sounds a bit stupid, eh? If it was that easy to get the information, no orders
> would be necessary.
by alblee 3/27/2011 10:12:31 AM

Hello. Been catching up with postings. Thanks to all. I think I want to stay here if/when the Reuters blog returns!
by es 3/27/2011 10:12:37 AM

BWR REACTOR VESSEL BOTTOM HEAD FAILURE MODES www.osti.gov
by NHK Listener 3/27/2011 10:13:18 AM

Some folks at ars technica talkin about a possible recriticality of #1 because lots of short-lived isotopes in the water were found. arstechnica.com scary stuff
by timme 3/27/2011 10:14:04 AM

@timme I think you mean number 2, that's where the Iodine-134 was found.
by borrrden 3/27/2011 10:14:48 AM

Excuse me, please, got to swtich off for about an hour. Be back soon. Keep chugging (nuclear pun unintended).
by alblee 3/27/2011 10:15:11 AM

@alblee They have all the info they need, and have had for days. I expect that in order to maintain some semblance of order the release of bad news needs to be sensitively managed.
by es 3/27/2011 10:15:51 AM

@borrrden: not iodine.. Cl-38 chlorine
by timme 3/27/2011 10:17:16 AM

The Japan Talk podcast has new info according to a twitterer .
by elainekirk 3/27/2011 10:17:22 AM

@timme That is the first time I have heard of this isotope....do any of them have a source?
by borrrden 3/27/2011 10:17:44 AM

17h report from JAIF about water radioactivity in turbine chambers: 1000 mSv/h in #2, 60 mSv/h in #1, 750 mSv/h in #3 + "NISA officials believe
the contaminated water likely came from the reactor rather than the spent fuel pool because the radionuclide detected contained in the fuel and some had short half-lives" www.jaif.or.jp
by Jo Lindien 3/27/2011 10:17:49 AM

@borrrden: the numbers are from TEPCO: arstechnica.com
by timme 3/27/2011 10:19:00 AM

I'm starting to feel a bit guilty, every time I open a news source and see/read anything about Libya or Yemen I get irritated and go looking for news on Japan, oops.
by Katrin 3/27/2011 10:22:46 AM

"Basically Cl-38 is a very short lived isotope, with a half life of minutes. The presence of any significant amount requires that it's been generated recently, because it goes away so quickly. The only plausible origin of these amounts is the reactor going critical again, bombarding the Chlorine in the sea water with neutrons."
by timme 3/27/2011 10:24:24 AM

@timme - That statement appears to be correct about the timing. www.wolframalpha.com
by Hank Scorpio 3/27/2011 10:27:03 AM

Atm NHK is warning that a another quake is abut to hit, focus includes Fukushima.
by Katrin 3/27/2011 10:28:21 AM

@Jo Linden: To be exact, they say the dose rate at the water in R2 is more than 1000 MSv/h. If the posted quantities of the I-134 are correct, it would be MUCH more than 1 Sv/h by at least an order of magnitude.
by Sims 3/27/2011 10:28:51 AM