Japan Earthquake

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@fitter : you think they had the containment open for cleaning it ? could be, that's right. i agree, it cannot be pressure from an empty containment, it must have been hanging on the crane.
by Matsuoko 3/27/2011 6:04:43 PM

The first tests of the water were totally different from TEPCO to NISA. NISA shows the presence of Cl-68 (half-life of 28min or so{estimate}) This is the proof of criticality and we may have a piece of corium burning through the reactor core. We all just need to hope to god that they can cool it sufficiently to burn through the reactor.
by Patrick Kelley 3/27/2011 6:04:51 PM

don't confuse containment lid with reactor (vessel) lid...
by fitter 3/27/2011 6:04:56 PM

I think it was mentioned that the workers got alpha radiation, not gamma. en.wikipedia.org
by Ralph Unger 3/27/2011 6:04:59 PM

@Future isnow: a deal has probably been worked out behind closed doors already. A bunch of major *** banks refinanced Tepco to the tune of a few billions a few days ago. Can't imagine they would have done that without some fairly explicit guarantees.
by sims 3/27/2011 6:05:55 PM

@Ralph, not alpha; the articles about the worker radiation injuries (at least the ones I read) said they suffered beta burn.
by Sky 3/27/2011 6:06:10 PM

@Tenzing I believe the duration of time may lead to the true exposure level, however it doesn't help tell us whether or not they were near a localized hot spot or whether the area is saturated. The significance to me is whether there is actual material [presumably corium at this point] or is the water irradiated. But if the stories about the lesions are tru, he received more than 6 S/hr.
by Dennis Tucker Jr 3/27/2011 6:06:43 PM

Didn't one of the Japanese new agencies say that the 3 exposed workers would be released on Mon. (tomorrow for U.S.)? Has anyone heard anything more about that?
by Stormy 3/27/2011 6:06:43 PM

@all: CONSIDERATION: Japan is evacuating. Not sure how to take this. This man is very obviously very upset but he says Tokyo has been advised not to use tap water at all. What do you think? Its from that site that Dean posted the other day that sent some of us into a mild state of ??? www.abovetopsecret.com
by Tenzing 3/27/2011 6:07:00 PM

@Future Isnow : normally, they make Harakiri.
by Matsuoko 3/27/2011 6:07:08 PM

As far as TEPCO liability, it is unfortunate that illnesses related to radiation exposure are very difficult to prove.
by Miles 3/27/2011 6:07:11 PM

this is the best summary I have seen of tepco finances the link was open when I tried but the times are well known for asking payment so if people cant read it I will try find another www.google.co.uk
by elainekirk 3/27/2011 6:07:45 PM

@kb Do you truly believe that they went from 2.6MBq to none detected that quick?
by Dennis Tucker Jr 3/27/2011 6:07:47 PM

do not think it was hanging on the crane!!! you never work or leave a load on a crane due to faluire of load falling (to many veriables.. Hooks.. cains.. connections.. cables etc.) but you would stage it somewere close to the activity while working
by fitter 3/27/2011 6:07:52 PM

@Sky My source was a video from a few days ago and may (like so many reports) have been wrong.
by Ralph Unger 3/27/2011 6:07:59 PM

@Tenzing Hysteria in the face of uncertainty and emotional crisis. Japan is not evacuating. And Abovetopsecret is a prime contender for misinformation of millenium award.
by vasra 3/27/2011 6:08:10 PM

@vasra: ok, thanks. I still feel for the guy.
by Tenzing 3/27/2011 6:08:54 PM

abovetopsecret is a concentrated dose of BS. I guesstimate that ca. 3% of the "information" on that page are correct.
by Salvador 3/27/2011 6:09:37 PM

Nuclear Liability Caps in Japan www.lexisnexis.com
by Ralph Unger 3/27/2011 6:09:42 PM

WTF!! TEPCO Vice President Sakae Muto said a new test had found radiation levels 100,000 times above normal — far better than the first results, though still very high.
But he ruled out having an independent monitor oversee the various checks despite the errors. !!! Yahoo have got this from associated press. news.yahoo.com
by elainekirk 3/27/2011 6:11:55 PM

has anyone seen info on the next plan of action, with the info out or lack of it, seems they are losing the battle.... even if they arent now would be the planning stage to prep for the "what if"
by fitter 3/27/2011 6:12:30 PM

Why are Tepco still cal;ling the shots?? How can they say 'NO' to independent checks??
by elainekirk 3/27/2011 6:12:50 PM

Pumping out the radioactive water is about all I have heard about. Into the sea .
by Ralph Unger 3/27/2011 6:13:28 PM

@elainekirk2001 Wow. "No, we are never wrong, thank you". You've got to be kidding. It is now time for the int'l community to get the heck in there and quick. If we can stop Quaddafi from killing innocents then it should be no problem stopping Japan's gov't....
by Dennis Tucker Jr 3/27/2011 6:13:39 PM

The abovetopsecret story does remind me. I'd meant to ask, Anyone from Tokyo? What's the mood. ARE people leaving if they have houses elsewhere?
by radioguy 3/27/2011 6:13:54 PM

@George Gibb Be very careful with how you read Zero Hedge. Although they are known to break news, they are also highly prone to hyperbole and worst case scenario. More than 90% of the doom-gloom scenarios they've painted in the past 2 years have NOT come to pass. I estimate their miss ratio will continue be the same. One has to read their reporting with a BS filter, just as one may use a filter with Tepco press briefings :)
by vasra 3/27/2011 6:14:09 PM

@vasra :sorry, what is "BS" ?
by Matsuoko 3/27/2011 6:14:56 PM

@radioguy: I know a few ppl there, last I talked to one of them was on Friday and mood was a bit anxious, but not really panic. The panicky people are mainly expats.
by sims 3/27/2011 6:15:03 PM

@vasra agreed. There are some misinformation I've already found in their calculations.
by Patrick Kelley 3/27/2011 6:15:15 PM

@all CERN Arrival time and magnitude of airborne fission products from the Fukushima, Japan,reactor incident as measuredin Seattle WA, USA March 25, 2011 cdsweb.cern.ch I trust CERN.
by Tenzing 3/27/2011 6:15:22 PM

Sheeesh, half of Japan is going to be Hibakusha before they start telling the truth.
by Miles 3/27/2011 6:15:30 PM

When Japan's most powerful ministry, MITI = The Ministry of International Trade, was roiled by scandal (sex club expenditures, the existence of a shadow government of puppet masters = "kuromaku"), a ritual housekeeping ensued and a new ministry was born: METI, the Ministry Of Economy, Trade & Industry (which controls nuclear management, actually). It is as powerful as it ever was but tax dollars are no longer spent at sex clubs. A similar cleansing of TEPCO will occur, with similar results. TEPCO is indeed too big to fail, it supplies a third of Japan's total energy needs. I don't see a break up into smaller units, the big combines like Mitsubishi still resemble feudal "Zaibatsu" & this reality will likely persist.
by Apollo 3/27/2011 6:15:47 PM

@Matsuko, it is what comes out of the south side of a cow that is facing north.
by Ralph Unger 3/27/2011 6:15:51 PM

@Matsuoke Bull S... er... droppings
by radioguy 3/27/2011 6:15:57 PM

retype: MITI was the Ministry of International Trade & Industry
by Apollo 3/27/2011 6:16:44 PM

@radioguy : hey, again, don't forget us non-US readers !
by Matsuoko 3/27/2011 6:16:48 PM

www.bloomberg.com
by quantman07 3/27/2011 6:16:50 PM

@Matsuoko I'll get my fingers trained to the pattern of your name sooner or later.
by radioguy 3/27/2011 6:17:09 PM

@quantman07 we all clicked on it at once haha
by Dennis Tucker Jr 3/27/2011 6:17:20 PM

@Matsuoko [opinion] That was when they have honor. now they just have bonus and stock options. Yakuzas have helped more the people in Shelters than Masataka Shimizu have helped his workers. Japan's people have honor, they are 16 days after, incredibly stoic, "digne" (?) They really desserve our admiration . but some people don't desserve to be called japanese (I would drop Masataka Shimizu as concrete, on the N°3 core, and spare his fortune to the 700 workers on site... ) unfortunately, they will always get out, leaving behind death and desolation .
by Future Isnow 3/27/2011 6:17:55 PM

@All: CERN In the light of the recent incidents at the Fukushima power plant in Japan, a factual take on safety in nuclear power plants will be presented. indico.cern.ch
by Tenzing 3/27/2011 6:18:36 PM

www.blotodays stories are pinnomberg.com Looks like they found radiation in one of 3 plants in Tokyo area. No details on level of radiation measurement. Hence the directive to the water plants to not use rain water.
by quantman07 edited by George Gibb 3/27/2011 6:18:53 PM

Yes that was basically all I got from that latest press conference. "We're going to have to pump the water out and that will take some time." so until that happens it's just a holding pattern? And correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't they continually flooding the whole site with more water just to keep the lid on?
by radioguy 3/27/2011 6:19:50 PM