@Matsuoko right, and then it will be just like my best friend's number I can't dial without my cell. ;)
by radioguy 3/27/2011 6:21:26 PM
@Dennis Tucker Jr In the original sample, it took 10 hours between sample taking and analysis, making it even more strange that such high amounts of I-134 were found.
In the new one, the time between sample taking and analysis was only 1 hour and 50 minutes.
by kb 3/27/2011 6:21:33 PM
@radioguy To the comment of "Does any one know the feelings in Tokyo". I have a good friend who's stayed with me before, and he's been re-offered his room in my house. He thanked us for the offer, but never said he was going to take it. Or even hinted that he was thinking about leaving yet.
by Natalie 3/27/2011 6:21:57 PM
@all I've been reasearching the "puddles" and we are talking about 100,000's of gallons of water, to get this stuff out we are talking about months or years, not hours or days.
by Patrick Kelley 3/27/2011 6:22:36 PM
Adano said that they will need to have the fuel out. i think they are beginning to go crazy.
by Matsuoko 3/27/2011 6:23:13 PM
@Patrick Kelley Yes, other sources have confirmed, that removing the water from turbine and reactor halls will take months. I linked to this earlier.
by vasra 3/27/2011 6:23:41 PM
I have a question about the containment lid discussion. I didn't find it scrolling back. Did something appear that made us certain a lid was blown off (other than the explosion?)
by radioguy 3/27/2011 6:23:45 PM
@All Abovetopsecret.com, anything by Alex Jones and possibly what comes out of zerohedge is generally crazy conspiracy theory stuff. Please take anything from there with a pound of salt.
by Nancy 3/27/2011 6:24:00 PM
@Patrick Kelley [pessimist opinion] Don't worry, meanwhile 2 cores will have melt down and more, so no more need to cool them down :(
by Future Isnow 3/27/2011 6:24:15 PM
@radioguy the video of the helicopter flyby released today showed it.
by Dennis Tucker Jr 3/27/2011 6:24:29 PM
All depends what size pumps they have of how long it takes.
by rob 3/27/2011 6:24:42 PM
They found chernobyls core still burning "years" later
by Patrick Kelley 3/27/2011 6:24:44 PM
@All At some point I'd love it if you would give an opinion/prediction of where you see this going. How bad it might get, realistically. will/when/how will they evacuate. maybe even futur visions of the size of affected area and impacts on it. That is, if moderator thinks it appropriate. could use * to preface?
by marie rich 3/27/2011 6:25:32 PM
I have to go have lunch with the wife. I'll leave my screen up and catch up in a while. Keep the links coming, guys, we seem to be a collective of factual info here. Kudos again to George and the mods.
by Dennis Tucker Jr 3/27/2011 6:25:35 PM
This just in from Kyodo. Unsure if it's been linked/posted already.
by quantman07 3/27/2011 6:25:35 PM
@nancy::iodized or sea?
by elise 3/27/2011 6:25:44 PM
@radioguy : on the yellow containment cap you can see the lifting device from the crane fixed. so i believe the cap wasn't in its place when the quake hit it.
by Matsuoko 3/27/2011 6:25:52 PM
@rob for now, it's external pumps, and they need also some external pums to cool down 3 cores
by Future Isnow 3/27/2011 6:26:00 PM
@all If you are living in a country using nuclear power, read this : www.nowtoronto.com . Do you know what our country's industry experts said after the Japanese accident? "Can't happen here, we have much better level of preparedness, we are more highly trained, our plant designs are different (yup, Russian 40yr old BWR designs, btw)" etc. Ah, the ignorance. As if we are somehow more skilled than the Japanese and accidents can't happen elsewhere. Sigh.
by vasra 3/27/2011 6:26:02 PM
I'm shocked that a majority of the links that are presented on here are links to conspiracy theory sites...when there is no information people are linking to sites that make it up or guess on what it is happening. This is very disappointing.
by Andy 3/27/2011 6:26:02 PM
@rob I don't think pumps are the issue. Once you pump all that radioactive water out of the buildings, where do you store it and how do you process it so that it becomes safe?
by Jim 3/27/2011 6:26:12 PM
So the solution is to get the highly radioactive water out of the basements. But the condenser areas are already full of water and they are going to remove this water over to the condenser area? Um, someone fails basic math and logic. So they have water everywhere, are running out of places to put it but need to keep dumping in water to prevent a total exposure. This does not give me confidence.
by Nancy 3/27/2011 6:26:31 PM
english.kyodonews.jp Sorry, I hit the wrong key.... they are unable to get near reactor 2 to measure radiation. That is a big problem!
by quantman07 3/27/2011 6:26:41 PM
@Andy Just ignore them. I don't think the majority is to conspiracy sites, in fact they are in minority. Just a bit active in the past hour or so.
by vasra 3/27/2011 6:26:54 PM
@radioguy : www.youtube.com this should be the moment you can see the square lifting device on the cap.
by Matsuoko 3/27/2011 6:27:06 PM
@Andy todays mainstream articles are pinned
by George Gibb 3/27/2011 6:27:44 PM
@vasra I think that anyone here who live in a nuclear country heard the same, absolute same thing. Oh, I was thinking you were French, lol .. Because I heard the exact same sentences here, in France since 16 days...
by Future Isnow 3/27/2011 6:27:51 PM
@radioguy no!! disscussion was hanging , stage in place,(during work) or could it have blown off... may have been blown around after but was not likely to have been blown off...
by fitter 3/27/2011 6:28:01 PM
Greenpeace 27.3. ground survey team report : www.greenpeace.org . “The Japanese authorities are fully aware (3) that high levels of radiation from the stricken Fukushima nuclear plant have spread far beyond the official evacuation zone to places like Iitate, yet are still not taking action to properly protect people or keep them informed them about the risks to their health”. TFWIW.
by vasra 3/27/2011 6:28:23 PM
@quantman07. Are they going to have aquaman tell the fish to stay out of the water zone around the plant? I can't see how this won't impact fish and fishing safety.
by Nancy 3/27/2011 6:29:11 PM
This is the most detailed rendering of current situation I've read yet. english.kyodonews.jp
by marie rich 3/27/2011 6:29:24 PM
@fitter : not blown off because there is no pressure in an empty vessel.
by Matsuoko 3/27/2011 6:29:43 PM
This blog-group-team is sifting through many different sources of information-news-opinion trying to use our powers of discernment to sort out what is fact, what can be inferred from facts, contradictions that don't make sense, opinions we wish to consider as possible while looking for additional more convincing factual support, etc. In this sorting process we can look at all sources including those usually labelled conspiracy theory, bearing in mind that some parties may have their own agenda and discounting the ideas presented there to whatever degree seems appropriate. But even those sites can often be a useful source of concepts and ideas for our further consideration and I do not rule them out, as sometimes they do get it right. Even the "news" sources are not 100% correct either. I suppose they usually do their best but are not always provided with correct data from those close to an event.
by Sky 3/27/2011 6:30:01 PM
Oh right. Reactor 4. Defueled. Nothing to blow off. No explosion, just collapse.
by radioguy 3/27/2011 6:30:16 PM
... and try to keep the sarcasm at a minimum also please, everyone. We are watching while people are potentially in severe danger.
by Dennis Tucker Jr 3/27/2011 6:30:42 PM
@Matsuoko, when you check the pictures here:http://www.ustream.tv/recorded/13573218, then the location is precisely the corner where the yellow dome would be parked when the reactor is down and open.
by Peter Melzer 3/27/2011 6:30:48 PM
@Peter Melzer : yep.
by Matsuoko 3/27/2011 6:31:17 PM
@Sky HEAR HEAR well said
by marie rich 3/27/2011 6:31:31 PM
Hi guys, I read on yahoo today that the 10,000,000x figure was false and the actual figure was 100,000x. Has this been confirmed by other sources?
by ids 3/27/2011 6:31:49 PM
@Future Isnow Nah, I'm in Scandinavia. Our plants are a mix of Russian, Swedish, US and Finnish design. The oldest are Russian designs and 40 yrs old. It's true our location is not seismically active and the likelihood of tsunamis is extremely low, but the water barrier in some places is only 1.75m and last year we already got a surface rise of 1.7m due to strong winds. So much for safety margins, eh.
by vasra 3/27/2011 6:31:59 PM
Department of Nuclear Engineering University of California, Berkeley. AMS Results Log: Results Log 3/26 (6:20pm): Rain water sample results posted for 3/24 - 3/25. I-131 and Te-132 activities are lower than previously observed (3.12 and 0.27 Bq/L resp.) while Cs137 remains near the high point at ~0.5 Bq/L.
3/26 (10:45am): Air sampling results posted for 3/22 - 3/24. We have observed correlated increasing trends in Cs-137 and I-131 with the water sampling results. Te-132 seems to have increased more in air than in the rain water. Full understanding of the these trends may not be understood for some time until we start to combine this data with other information. Levels remain extremely low, but we are maintaining a close watch on these trends. www.nuc.berkeley.edu
by Tenzing 3/27/2011 6:32:32 PM
@stormy- Could you copy and paste the Tepco worker email? I don't have a NYT account and can't access it.
by Maureen Burke 3/27/2011 6:32:35 PM
@vasra Sweden here!
by kb 3/27/2011 6:32:48 PM
@Sky Agree. Open minds are best.
by es 3/27/2011 6:32:49 PM
@Jim : out in the ocean, what else ? it is obvious that tepco does not care.