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  • @Patrick Kelley Right, but we have already seen radiation hit the US from Fukushima. At this point it's a matter of degree.
    by Jojo 3/27/2011 8:14:57 PM

  • @Patrick Kelley Just curious, but after reading the parent site of the Chernobyl fallout map, is it fair to say that you believe that the Red Sea was parted, but you don't believe fallout can travel from Japan to the US?
    by James Ward 3/27/2011 8:16:33 PM

  • @all: i found reading about chernobyl on google books "arsenal of folly" by richard rhodes to be helpful in calming my own fears ~ it starts on page 8 and outlines why the particles where carried so far.
    by elise 3/27/2011 8:16:43 PM

  • And just from a scientific point of view, if the US somehow gets enough fallout for there to be a problem, it will be the least of our worries because the oceans will be dying and our entire ecosystem is reliant on the oceans. These fears of radioactive fallout are misplaced because for it to get there it has to stretch the entire Pacific Ocean and if it does the ocean death is far worse then some radioactive rain.
    by Patrick Kelley 3/27/2011 8:16:50 PM

  • Boats and fish come to mind as a source to spread contamination. The Japanese had huge protest about leaking nuke subs at military bases in 2008.
    by NHK Listener 3/27/2011 8:16:53 PM

  • @Patrick Kelly Trying again: I just made a request for a link to a more technical forum (my background is mathematics and physics), but apparently that request was moderated out!!!
    by jt 3/27/2011 8:17:07 PM

  • @VeenOui -- there are always 2 sides -- but that doesn't mean that both sides are correct. Sometimes one is right, and the other is a mistake, or worse - a bald-faced lie. And sometimes both are right.

    "Understanding is a three edged sword. Your side, their side, and the truth."
    by Joshua Diamond 3/27/2011 8:17:16 PM

  • Heres a good one arstechnica.com
    by Patrick Kelley 3/27/2011 8:17:52 PM

  • @all please be considerate of this forum.
    by Patrick Kelley 3/27/2011 8:18:16 PM

  • @Salvador I remember reading they were going to test the SOIL for strontium around the plant. Have yet to find it, but in the meantime; the reports from TEPCO on radionuclides in sea water and air. www.tepco.co.jp
    by marie rich 3/27/2011 8:18:30 PM

  • @JT I didn't mod you out I am just trying to filter and it takes time I have now put you on auto post
    by elainekirk 3/27/2011 8:18:36 PM

  • The fact that Tepco announced they planned to draw off the contaminated water into the condenser tanks (evidently believing they had adequate unfilled volume available) then later retracted and said the condenser tanks were already full, suggests to me that during the crisis reaction to this accident they have not been keeping careful tabs on many specific environmental parameters of the site that they would normally know definitively. I wonder how many other actions are based on supposition? We used to call this "fire-fighting mode", not referring to literal fires but to the way people act during a crisis where all former careful approaches are discarded in favor of instant reactions to what's perceived to be the most critical at the moment.
    by Sky 3/27/2011 8:18:47 PM

  • @ Patrick Kelly Thanks
    by jt 3/27/2011 8:18:59 PM

  • @Patrick Kelley Is that supposed to be comforting? :) Just kidding. But that is the real concern. The problem from my standpoint is lack of information. We get bits and pieces and no overall picture. It's that not knowing which is causing fear, around the world and also in Japan.
    by Jojo 3/27/2011 8:19:03 PM

  • This seems to be an AOL interviewer with someone from Chernobyl telling the Japanese to get away now ?
    Google translated
    translate.google.com
    by VeenOui 3/27/2011 8:19:33 PM

  • If you are worried so much about radiation go here and see exactly how much fallout you have already had www.youtube.com
    by Patrick Kelley 3/27/2011 8:20:04 PM

  • @Joshua Diamond And I don't think either side is lying; they just highlight information they want you to see and hide information they don't. Take the Japanese Nuclear Safety site: www.bousai.ne.jp The max radiation for Miyagi and Fukushima prefectures have been "Under survey" for 10 days now. Do you REALLY think they are under survey for 10 days?
    by Jojo 3/27/2011 8:20:38 PM

  • Thank you @marie for your search and link!
    by Salvador 3/27/2011 8:20:45 PM

  • You get more radioactive contamination from coal plants than you do from nuclear reactors.
    by NHK Listener 3/27/2011 8:21:10 PM

  • A link to a nice old photo of the containment vessel. ecclesiastess.tumblr.com
    by Ralph Unger 3/27/2011 8:21:40 PM

  • Here's the mention of the tanks from news.businessweek.com

    "The company plans to put the radioactive water into condenser tanks. Those tanks are probably already full, so crews must find a way to drain them, company officials said at a briefing today."
    by radioguy 3/27/2011 8:21:43 PM

  • Anyway, I wonder how well shielded the condenser tanks are? What they are designed/intended to normally hold? Perhaps there are safety reasons why putting the contaminated water into the tanks is a bad idea.
    by Sky 3/27/2011 8:21:59 PM

  • @Salvador Here's latest data on 'dust' sampling and amts in veggies. (warning: alot, and apparently only looking for cessium and iodine isotopes). I KNOW I saw that cause it hit me like a brick. Still looking www.mext.go.jp
    by marie rich 3/27/2011 8:23:04 PM

  • @Patrick: I am trying to keep my N. American friends & relatives grounded in reality while also keeping my Japanese (& Japan-located) friends & relatives grounded in reality. As you can imagine, my message to the former is somewhat the opposite of my message to the latter. I do see a tendency among folks in Japan to seek out blogs and forums that entertain best case scenarios . . .
    by Apollo 3/27/2011 8:23:23 PM

  • @Patrick Kelley Thanks for the Ars Technica link. More reliable sources is always better.
    by radioguy 3/27/2011 8:23:54 PM

  • @all I'm not one for scenarios, but at this point best case is it's going to get worse before it gets better, and right now things are pretty f***ing bad. I wouldn't be within 100miles of that plant
    by Patrick Kelley 3/27/2011 8:25:18 PM

  • @Apollo It's very sad that the Japanese people are having to look elsewhere for reliable information.
    by James Ward 3/27/2011 8:25:24 PM

  • By the way, I've gone back to this link www.scribd.com Several times. Look it over and see if it should get a sticky.
    by radioguy 3/27/2011 8:25:29 PM

  • @Sky: The condenser tanks are where the steam coming from the reactor goes after the turbines, to cool, condense back into water and be pumped back into the reactor after that. They are meant to process steam/water from the reactor, but normally reactors use very pure water that doesn't get contaminated very easily - very unlike seawater with a lot of impurities. In any case.. now we at least know where all the water went that they injected into the reactor.. seems it got converted into steam and ended up in those condenser tanks .. and seems a lot of other volatile radioactive substances from the reactor also ended up in there..
    by sims 3/27/2011 8:26:11 PM

  • @Patrick Kelley Now that we can agree on! I would certainly be as far away as I could get.
    by James Ward 3/27/2011 8:26:28 PM

  • @radioguy I can't do sticky can you bring it to George's attention when he gets back please
    by elainekirk 3/27/2011 8:26:53 PM

  • @elainekirk2001 Yes.
    by radioguy 3/27/2011 8:27:47 PM

  • @Salvador Here it is. Sort of casually mentioned Sr90. www.mext.go.jp
    by marie rich 3/27/2011 8:29:43 PM

  • I don't know if this is useful a gas reactor but the situation with seawater getting into reactor could maybe be interesting to some of you en.wikipedia.org
    by elainekirk 3/27/2011 8:30:18 PM

  • @Salvador Note date on top 22 Mar. Tried to post this on Reuters, with my comment- but, no... :)
    by marie rich 3/27/2011 8:30:47 PM

  • Thank you marie, will take a good look at that.
    by Salvador 3/27/2011 8:31:27 PM

  • And to those that are moderating, you would rather support chaos and random claims than educated information. I did not personally attack and I would love to be shown in which way I did. I see that I have been removed from auto-publish because of someone's opinion regarding what I am saying and how the moderators do not agree with it. This blog is turning into one big conspiracy theory. I am disappointed with your actions and I hope you enjoy your fear mongering. I will be contacting Reuters to assure that they do not assume this blog is fair and balanced but instead would promote panic over information.
    by Grizzly 3/27/2011 8:32:04 PM

  • @Grizzly I tried to defuse a situation, maybe clumsily but well meant. Nobody else seemed to object to a temporary slowing of posts
    by elainekirk 3/27/2011 8:33:48 PM

  • @marie And since then, they haven't said a word about Strontium 90? Strange.
    by Salvador 3/27/2011 8:33:58 PM

  • @all: www.nytimes.com outlies
    by elise 3/27/2011 8:34:54 PM

  • OPINION/CONSIDERATION/REQUEST:@Grizzly: Granted radiation is very heavy and large amounts can't travel far on our planet, however, perhaps this EVENT even thought it may be a localized physiological effect for the people of Japan has a broader effect on the population of our Planet Earth which validates a rather high level of concern and doubt that at times is expressed as fear similar to what transpired last night by members of this forum during the "mistake" in reporting a radiation spike 10 million times above normal. From where I sit, this EVENT inspires humble consideration for the people of Japan and deeper level of compassion for the human race. I remember several posts on the this blog and the original Reuters blog that stated with out a doubt, the events that have transpired during the past few days at Fukushima would never happen. Fear is essential to our survival. The collective fear over this EVENT just may be a simple reaction to the breach or meltdown in the core of our humanity. I offer this link for a change in perspective and humbly request we remember the suffering of our fellow sentient beings on the Island of Japan. At some point this blog may become a historical document and I wonder what the people of Japan will think about the minimal attention this blog has paid to the humanitarian aspects of their suffering. This number crunching and theoretical banter at times appears akin to ego fluff. www.uncontactedtribes.org
    by Tenzing 3/27/2011 8:35:34 PM

  • another morning in fukushima pointscope01.jp

    by hans via Pointscope01.jp 3/27/2011 8:36:45 PM

  • @Josh It appears that the only way for water to get into the turbine room would be if pipes were leaking. upload.wikimedia.org

    by Ralph Unger via Upload.wikimedia.org 3/27/2011 8:38:26 PM

  • @Tenzing: Well said. Good for you.
    by Lethbridgean 3/27/2011 8:38:34 PM

  • @hans I can't wait to see the CLEAR picture in full sunlight
    by VeenOui 3/27/2011 8:38:35 PM

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