Japan Earthquake | Page 106

  • @Patrick Personally, I'd say I'm more concerned about the hit the entire ecosystems of the earth have taken over the past two years. They hardly needed this.
    by radioguy 3/27/2011 7:57:24 PM

  • The latest IAEA report says "New data from monitoring of the marine environment, carried out from 24 March 22:55 UTC to 25 March 03:32 UTC about 30 km offshore, show a decrease in both caesium-137 and iodine 131. The contamination at these locations is influenced by aerial deposition of fallout as well as by the migration of contaminated seawater from the discharge points at the reactor." so are the discharging straight into the sea? www.iaea.org
    by elainekirk 3/27/2011 7:57:43 PM

  • @VeenOui I have a great deal of faith in the intelligence, and more important, the resorcefulness, of the people on this blog.
    by marie rich 3/27/2011 7:58:00 PM

  • @elainekirk2001 It all has to go somewhere.
    by radioguy 3/27/2011 7:58:12 PM

  • @Patrick Kelley The worries should be focused on Japan and marine life, however the atmospheric dispersion models indicate more contamination possible in western US than in parts of northern and southern Japan.
    by Bobby1 3/27/2011 7:58:31 PM

  • @radioguy Thanks :)
    by elainekirk 3/27/2011 7:58:49 PM

  • @Canadian The worst case scenario would still mean he would be okay.
    by Andy 3/27/2011 7:58:57 PM

  • @Bobby1 And those models indicate minute and harmless levels of radiation. Every day you are exposed to radiation from your local nuclear plant in addition to everything else. You are not harmed by those amounts, nor will you be harmed by any amount from Japan.
    by Grizzly 3/27/2011 7:59:31 PM

  • I'll stop worrying about how it's going to affect us all when they figure out how to constrain it, contain it and make the containment safe for 25,000+ years in potentially rising seas.
    by radioguy 3/27/2011 8:01:23 PM

  • @all if you guys want anyone with any kind of knowledge to stay on this site, I highly recommend you stop making baseless scientific claims, I'm also at 4 technical forums right now and they are giving some amazing information. I'm only here to try and help you guys understand the science behind it. Disagreeing with actual scientific proof is ridiculous, and if you don't have any background it's ignorance. Quit with the Fear Mongering this is scary enough as it is.
    by Patrick Kelley 3/27/2011 8:01:31 PM

  • dawn over fukushima www.tepco.co.jp
    by marie rich 3/27/2011 8:01:43 PM

  • @Grizzly Which is fine, except for the plutonium joker in the deck. I know it's heavy. But we need more information about the MOX milling process, etc.
    by Bobby1 3/27/2011 8:01:48 PM

  • @bobby1 what is your background?
    by Patrick Kelley 3/27/2011 8:02:00 PM

  • by radioguy via Pointscope01.jp 3/27/2011 8:02:38 PM

  • @Patrick Kelley Not an expert in this area, I am a statistician.
    by Bobby1 3/27/2011 8:02:40 PM

  • According to the News Releases, high radiation level in the water was also
    found in the basement of the turbine building of Unit 1, 2 and 3. The level of
    radiation on the surface of water was more than 1000 millisieverts (mSv) per
    hour in Unit-2, 60mSv in Unit-1, 750mSv in Unit-3. NISA officials believe
    the contaminated water likely came from the reactor rather than the spent
    fuel pool because the radionuclide detected contained in the fuel and some
    had short half-lives. TEPCO took immediate action to drain off the water
    because current situation would cause delay in recovery work. TEPCO
    already started draining off the water in Unit-1, and also preparing or
    considering drain off the water in Unit-2 and -3. The water would be sent to
    condensers in the turbine building. www.jaif.or.jp
    by NHK Listener 3/27/2011 8:03:10 PM

  • I have to say I'm with Bobby1 and others who believe that there very well could be a concern of radiation fallout outside of Japan. It appears to me that no experts have the slightest clue as to what is happening and how long it will go on for. It's a fact that nuclear fallout is reaching the US. We're told that it doesn't affect health at these levels, which is likely true. But, it appears to be a function of time and content released as to how much will end up here when all is said and done. Depending on what happens that could be substantial. Any experts have bonafide proof it won't?
    by tippytoe 3/27/2011 8:03:31 PM

  • @Grizzly Okay, I'll bite. Where are you getting your data to prove your assertions that "models indicate minute and harmless levels of radiation. Every day you are exposed to radiation from your local nuclear plant in addition to everything else. You are not harmed by those amounts, nor will you be harmed by any amount from Japan." Some of us have been around long enough to know that what we've being told about radioactivity over the last few decades has not always been the truth.
    by James Ward 3/27/2011 8:03:54 PM

  • Is there anyone moderating?
    by Patrick Kelley 3/27/2011 8:04:09 PM

  • @NHK Listener Didn't I read that the condenser tanks are full?
    by radioguy 3/27/2011 8:04:11 PM

  • @ll [Question] Does anyone know if they have found Strontium 90 in the turbine hall water or around Fukushima? I just read an interview (in german) with Prof. Max Bichler from the atom- institute of the Vienna university. He said that they MUST find a lot of Strontium 90 if the containment and the reactor vessel are damaged. It doesn't vaporize easily and would be transported by water. Anyone heard about Strontium 90?
    by Salvador 3/27/2011 8:04:33 PM

  • I'm modding Patrick
    by elainekirk 3/27/2011 8:04:58 PM

  • @elainekirk2001 Nice.
    by radioguy 3/27/2011 8:05:21 PM

  • @radioguy I don't remember hearing that.
    by NHK Listener 3/27/2011 8:05:33 PM

  • @Bobby1 @Patrick Kelley I don't think either of you will convince the other. It is like having a 'religious' argument. I even had to let the comments about someone's shaman's prediction go. We just have to try to sort the real info from the fear. NP
    by gabe 3/27/2011 8:05:39 PM

  • I thought it was on allthingsnucllear but It was here somewhere... I'll try to find it.
    by radioguy 3/27/2011 8:06:00 PM

  • @Salvador The last I remember, they were going to test for it. I'll try to find out
    by marie rich 3/27/2011 8:06:28 PM

  • @Salvador They haven't even told us that they've found plutonium. If there is a breach in Reactor #3, TEPCO should be finding AND reporting it.
    by James Ward 3/27/2011 8:07:24 PM

  • @James Ward You can believe that you've been lied to, which is most likely the case because panic does not work well in society but the fact is that Chernobyl was high atmosphere release and you were not injured. If you will not accept that low level radiation release from Japan will not harm you, then I don't know what will convince you of the otherwise. That isn't directed toward only you, either, it is a comprehensive statement to those that believe the government will not tell them the truth about radiation but are still alive after Chernobyl.
    by Grizzly 3/27/2011 8:07:29 PM

  • Isn't debate about these issues constructive? When experts just say here's the facts, believe us, you wouldn't understand anyway it raises concern. Btw, I have a technical background.
    by tippytoe 3/27/2011 8:07:42 PM

  • by Apollo 3/27/2011 8:08:07 PM

  • @Patrick Kelley What are some of the things bandied about that are not scientific? On either "side" of this crisis.
    by Jojo 3/27/2011 8:08:19 PM

  • Tepco is keeping us confused over the issue, we start arguing, which is the desired outcome.
    by Bobby1 3/27/2011 8:08:36 PM

  • "Safety agency officials had been hoping to pump the water into huge, partly empty tanks inside the reactor that are designed to hold condensed water.

    Those tanks, though, turned out to be completely full, said Hidehiko Nishiyama of Japan's Nuclear and Industrial Safety Agency."
    by Apollo 3/27/2011 8:08:57 PM

  • @Bobby1 agreed. We are all on the same side here. I don't think anyone should feel they are being attacked. The goals are to further information about what is happening and what the future consequences could be.
    by tippytoe 3/27/2011 8:09:53 PM

  • @Grizzly I believe actual factual data. I asked you for a link to back up your comment and you failed to do anything other than attack me. Let's just call it a day and try to avoid any future conversation.
    by James Ward 3/27/2011 8:09:57 PM

  • Speaking about "trust" and "science", you have to factor in politics to the equation. Some scientists are "pro-nuclear" and thus would minimize/not report damaging information. They might not lie, but they won't tell the entire truth either. I have seen this from the EPA and the Japanese Ministry of Science this entire time.
    by Jojo 3/27/2011 8:10:24 PM

  • Surely we are all deeply pained and worried about our already stressed out earth and the human suffering and danger continuing to threaten the Japanese people. Some of us are also deeply concerned about the potential for harm for loved ones who could potentially be in harms way and that is understandable.
    by Barbara 3/27/2011 8:10:26 PM

  • @Apollo That does not mention condenser tanks being full?
    by NHK Listener 3/27/2011 8:10:48 PM

  • OK everyone, let's NOT FORGET, there are ALWAYS 2 sides to a story !
    by VeenOui 3/27/2011 8:10:56 PM

  • @Apollo - Yes - it was already thought that the suppression pool in #3 reactor [?] was completely full, and that the containment itself was partially flooded.
    by Joshua Diamond 3/27/2011 8:11:22 PM

  • @all www.wwyd.org (fallout map of chernobyl) Notice the distances, now compare that with the distance of Japan to the US. There is no way for the fuel to have an explosion like the one at chernobyl which blew while the reactor was fully active. We could still have an explosion, but there is no way for it to be even close to as powerful as that. I'm not saying this is better or worse then chernobyl, only saying that from an absolutely scientific point of view, it is impossible to scatter plutonium that far.

    by Patrick Kelley via Wwyd.org 3/27/2011 8:11:29 PM

  • @Apollo Never mind I see it.. Good catch
    by NHK Listener 3/27/2011 8:12:52 PM

  • @Barbara Absolutely. I have seen reports where the energy released so far has been 1/2 of Chernobyl (in terms of iodine). If Chernobyl affected most of Europe, it's reasonable to at least be concerned wherever you are. Just brushing everything off "no problem" without giving any data is condescending and actually makes people MORE suspicious.
    by Jojo 3/27/2011 8:12:57 PM

  • It's the by-product cesium from the plutonium that is the worry. It's light and carries in the wind easily. the fallout on the map is cesium.
    by Charlie 3/27/2011 8:13:22 PM

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