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  • @dean they have been waffling about filling 1 now that one of the agencies thinks it can't sand the pressure of the water
    by Nancy 4/30/2011 11:37:24 PM

  • probably nancy
    by dean 4/30/2011 11:37:26 PM

  • I'm being called to dinner.. be back in a bit
    by dean 4/30/2011 11:37:50 PM

  • Operators of three nuclear reactors currently shut down for regular inspections have said that they plan to restart their facilities despite growing safety concerns. www.asahi.com
    ( Hi, 公安調査庁c )
    by Rob in SF edited by elainekirk 4/30/2011 11:47:55 PM

  • I gave Mark the nice (English link) to www.nisa.meti.go.jp and he posted it (in the stickys) , and now it is gone in the stickys. Is info in English a bad thing? www.nisa.meti.go.jp
    by Ralph Unger 4/30/2011 11:53:04 PM

  • Plan F: Roll in the Putzmeister, fill the outer building with bentonite concrete, so the containment can then hold a full load of water, and they can fill it to the brim. Shore up the SFP at the same time that way. Of course, then you're screwed for access, but you kinda are anyway by this point.
    by radioguy 4/30/2011 11:54:20 PM

  • Did you read the road map Radioguy? Cause you seem to know it LOL.
    by Ralph Unger 4/30/2011 11:55:26 PM

  • I wonder what plan letter you reach before the myriad of complicating factors leaves one standing that has a hope in Hell of working.
    by radioguy 4/30/2011 11:56:29 PM

  • That is plan Z++ That is when I give up. :-)
    by Ralph Unger 4/30/2011 11:57:24 PM

  • @Ralph I can't help you there mark does that sticky, is it possible that he has got more recent readings?
    by elainekirk 4/30/2011 11:57:30 PM

  • Each reactor has its own complicating factors. And each's complications impacts the others.
    by radioguy 4/30/2011 11:57:31 PM

  • For the non math people reading that is the third time we go to plan z.
    by Ralph Unger 4/30/2011 11:58:37 PM

  • @Ralph Unger - then onto the Russian alphabit + numbers
    by Lethbridgean 4/30/2011 11:59:27 PM

  • Sanskrit offers a wealth of letters.
    by radioguy 4/30/2011 11:59:57 PM

  • Mark did not edit my additions. He posted them. Someone else decided to keep sources to themselves.
    @ralph I am not understanding what you are saying?
    by Ralph Unger edited by elainekirk 5/1/2011 12:00:03 AM

  • @Ralph Unger Someone could have just accidentally deleted it or didn't understand what it is. I probably have the Georgia link your talking about let me go check
    by Nancy 5/1/2011 12:04:53 AM

  • @Ralph Unger We were looking for that one earlier also.
    by Nancy 5/1/2011 12:05:22 AM

  • TY Nancy for fixing the links :-)
    by Ralph Unger 5/1/2011 12:05:44 AM

  • Is this the georgia page your after? translate.google.com
    by Nancy 5/1/2011 12:06:04 AM

  • This youtube vid was sent by an executive of Areva in an email to somebody in japan, but I can't find the email, now.

    by marie rich 5/1/2011 12:06:19 AM

  • Pls edit out my BS
    by Ralph Unger 5/1/2011 12:06:32 AM

  • Mark added my post and I think it should be under his name.
    by Ralph Unger 5/1/2011 12:07:36 AM

  • @Nancy do you understand I don't am I supposed to have started deleting links or something I am really confused ?
    by elainekirk 5/1/2011 12:08:04 AM

  • The bentonite I'm talking about is a clay, not concrete. Bentonite is an absorbent aluminium phyllosilicate, in general, impure clay consisting mostly of montmorillonite. There are different types of bentonites, and their names depend on the dominant eleme...
    en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bentonite
    by marie rich 5/1/2011 12:10:15 AM

  • Edit out my BS, not my link. LOL. Pls add my www.nisa.meti.go.jp to Marks post. Again.
    by Ralph Unger edited by elainekirk 5/1/2011 12:12:01 AM

  • @elainekirk I don't know either. The NISA and Georgia links in with the daily reports went missing. I think whomever did the last cut and paste might have accidentally deleted them. I have both in my links at home and Ralph provided at least one of them. I guess we should add them back to the pinned somehow?
    by Nancy 5/1/2011 12:12:02 AM

  • Hey, TEPCO: Look up bentonite in Wikipedia...
    by marie rich 5/1/2011 12:15:25 AM

  • @all btw, I noticed they pre-heat water coming in out of the ocean before they use it. So maybe they don't need water as cold as we think they do to cool things?
    by Nancy 5/1/2011 12:16:02 AM

  • The new site for MEXT, I think you guys have it already though. I just like to mention it now and then.http://www.mext.go.jp/english/incident/1304099.htm
    by Ralph Unger 5/1/2011 12:16:33 AM

  • @Ralph Unger MEXT is just various rad readings correct?
    by Nancy 5/1/2011 12:17:04 AM

  • We dump bentonite clay into our leaky ponds here. Or spread it out on a new pond to create a seal. And it turns milky white, so you can use it like the bath salts!
    by marie rich 5/1/2011 12:17:59 AM

  • @marie rich if they could get one of the little all terrain bots (the ones capable of going over rubble) down in low enough could they pump in bentonite with a concrete hose?
    by Nancy 5/1/2011 12:18:32 AM

  • @you by having the bot drag the hose end
    by Nancy 5/1/2011 12:18:58 AM

  • Its little clay pellets, easy to disperse. And it settles and is drawn in to currents
    by marie rich 5/1/2011 12:19:26 AM

  • it absorbs tons more water than its weight
    by marie rich 5/1/2011 12:19:52 AM

  • @marie rich so if you get it near enough it does the rest itself
    by Nancy 5/1/2011 12:20:04 AM

  • Seriously, look it up, google it
    by marie rich 5/1/2011 12:20:19 AM

  • Wikipedia: Sodium bentonite

    Sodium bentonite expands when wet, absorbing as much as several times its dry mass in water. Because of its excellent colloidal properties (see Odom ref below), it is often used in drilling mud for oil and gas wells and for geotechnical and environmental investigations.

    The property of swelling also makes sodium bentonite useful as a sealant, especially for the sealing of subsurface disposal systems for spent nuclear fuel[1] and for quarantining metal pollutants of groundwater. Similar uses include making slurry walls, waterproofing of below-grade walls, and forming other impermeable barriers, e.g., to seal off the annulus of a water well, to plug old wells, or to line the base of landfills to prevent migration of leachate. It is also used to form a barrier around newly planted trees to constrain root growth so as to prevent damage to nearby pipes, footpaths and other infrastructure.

    Sodium bentonite can also be "sandwiched" between synthetic materials to create geo-synthetic clay liners (GCL) for the aforementioned purposes. This technique allows for more convenient transport and installation, and it greatly reduces the volume of sodium bentonite required.

    Various surface modifications to sodium bentonite improve some rheological or sealing performance in geoenviromental applications, for example, the addition of polymers.[2]
    by marie rich 5/1/2011 12:23:54 AM

  • I think one of it's forms is known as Fuller Earth, and can be eaten to rid the body of contaminents!
    by marie rich 5/1/2011 12:25:37 AM

  • Sounds like a great multi use idea!
    by Nancy 5/1/2011 12:27:16 AM

  • @Nancy Yep but you need a lot knowledge to read the MEXT reports. They look scary, but most are OK and some look OK, they are scary.
    by Ralph Unger 5/1/2011 12:27:24 AM

  • Idk why they didn't use it instead of the zeolite- works better. I just spread a bunch in my leaky pond. Took alot cuz the pond is about 1/2 acre, but it's cheap.
    by marie rich 5/1/2011 12:28:47 AM

  • Clay does a good job of sealing. They need more punch then just that.
    by Ralph Unger 5/1/2011 12:31:19 AM

  • Just remember, Tepco, when I said the diaper stuff (superabsorbent polymer) I meant as a layer in the final concrete entombment- not the gushing pipe!!!
    by marie rich 5/1/2011 12:31:22 AM

  • Well Tepco said it was a sealant. :-)
    by Ralph Unger 5/1/2011 12:32:15 AM

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