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  • The feed is cut down to 3 fames a sec i think
    by Veenie 5/7/2011 6:05:21 PM

  • @ #4;
    wind might have shifted, because it's coming out the front, instead of back right corner.
    by marie rich 5/7/2011 6:06:13 PM

  • @Veenie the FPS will vary in the ambient light when it's that low.... auto-shutter speed. It's faster when there's steam. More light. Or so it seems? Cameramen?
    by radioguy 5/7/2011 6:07:54 PM

  • Could someone briefly reference - what exactly was the concern happening around May 8th? Melted materials permeating the secondary containment? I'm a definite fan of your blog. You guys are performing an enormous service. Thanks.
    by Christine 5/7/2011 6:08:04 PM

  • @Christine a politician got hold of a letter but I don't have the link hopefully somebody else does
    by elainekirk 5/7/2011 6:10:05 PM

  • It was Taro? And about 18 hours ago?
    by radioguy 5/7/2011 6:12:53 PM

  • well they said we have a SHOW on the 8th and they did not dissapoint!
    by fitter 5/7/2011 6:13:50 PM

  • @RadioGuy, can you sum up the context of that report for those that didn't get it ?
    by wtm 5/7/2011 6:14:22 PM

  • @Christine I don't have the link either, it was a reference about an email by a Mr.Tono (politician). Very rough translation talking about a big release of radiation. But we don't really know what it was about. Could be them opening the doors to unit 1 containment, or something else, or just a really bad tranlation.
    by marie rich 5/7/2011 6:15:47 PM

  • Yes, I couldn't find it in a quick search.
    by radioguy 5/7/2011 6:16:48 PM

  • However, it was more clear, imo, that there might have been "mistakes" in the dumping of the (less radioactive?) water to the sea.
    by marie rich 5/7/2011 6:17:23 PM

  • His name is Tono and it was on his blog.
    by marie rich 5/7/2011 6:17:50 PM


  • Mr. Tono had it on his blog
    by marie rich 5/7/2011 6:18:07 PM

  • I am really surprised that the tower next to #3 is still standing, especially after the big explosion there/
    by wtm 5/7/2011 6:18:19 PM

  • "It is an attachment from the readers through three young officials of the Office of Energy. TEPCO meeting minutes total integration of government headquarters on May 1 of this. [The release of high concentrations of 8 days and this will remain to be done.] [the aide Hosono, this case is very important on the go to the next step and installation of heat exchangers, and (the future in terms that can be discharged out of the radioactive material), contaminated water Avoid repeated failures during the discharge, the participants closely to share information we want working with high sensitivity, which was said.] "

    "エネ庁の若手官僚から添付ファイルが3通ついたメールが来た。

    その一
    5月1日の政府・東電統合本部全体会合の議事録。
    『このままいくと8日にも高濃度の放出が行われる。』
    『細野補佐官から,本件は熱交換機の設置といった次のステップに進む上で非常に重要である,また,(今後, 放射性物質が外に排出され得るという点で,)汚染水排出の際の失敗を繰り返さないよう,関係者は情報共有を 密に行い,高い感度を持って取り組んで欲しい,とする発言があった。』"
    by Jim 5/7/2011 6:18:51 PM

  • try post #5268 on physicform, i have that post nuber in my notes but don't knowwhy
    by fitter 5/7/2011 6:18:55 PM

  • darn!
    by Jim 5/7/2011 6:19:23 PM

  • re May 8th -try this gramercyimages.com
    by UKVal 5/7/2011 6:19:45 PM

  • Just getting up, stayed up late, just a minute.
    by Jim 5/7/2011 6:20:05 PM

  • Dumping a little water in, letting it come up to temp, then dumping some more in, on going !
    by wtm 5/7/2011 6:20:12 PM

  • hello jim did you see the video
    by fitter 5/7/2011 6:20:29 PM

  • www.asahicom.jp
    cumulative radiation at 30km
    www.asahi.com

    by elainekirk via Asahicom.jp 5/7/2011 6:21:09 PM

  • @fitter no, just got up, what's up?
    by Jim 5/7/2011 6:21:55 PM

  • info and links to Taro's blog etc. half way down the page www.houseoffoust.com
    by Nancy 5/7/2011 6:22:31 PM

  • guess they were adding water, but it looked like they were losing #3, there are some still on the blog about an hour ago.... we got our show on the 8th as promised
    by fitter 5/7/2011 6:23:36 PM

  • be back
    by Jim 5/7/2011 6:23:40 PM

  • gonna go dig up that stuff
    by Jim 5/7/2011 6:24:28 PM

  • How do you upload an image? I have 1.10; 1.12; 1.17; 1.19am screenshot sequence.
    by jt 5/7/2011 6:26:02 PM

  • They might be working on the vent pipes on the ground, you can't see the lower half of the plant from here. hard to tell. But definitely something that they need to see all over the place.
    by wtm 5/7/2011 6:26:03 PM

  • @jt : google "picture upload". or tinypic.com. load it up and post the link here.
    by Edano 5/7/2011 6:27:35 PM

  • @wtm they havent been near the buildings in ages it is too toxic the men who went to #1 did so heavily protected and for 10 mins olnly the rest is done by robots
    by elainekirk 5/7/2011 6:27:39 PM

  • can anyone brief me. seems sth major has happened ?
    by Edano 5/7/2011 6:28:51 PM

  • The lieral translation: "It is an attachment from the readers through three young officials of the Office of Energy. TEPCO meeting minutes total integration of government headquarters on May 1 of this. [The release of high concentrations of 8 days and this will remain to be done.] [the aide Hosono, this case is very important on the go to the next step and installation of heat exchangers, and (the future in terms that can be discharged out of the radioactive material), contaminated water Avoid repeated failures during the discharge, the participants closely to share information we want working with high sensitivity, which was said.] "
    by Jim Carver at Thu May 05 2011 23:11:21 GMT-0500 (CDT)
    The Phantom Draft Energy Agency

    Sun May 05 year 2011 21:31 | minister in charge of administrative reform in the shadow of civil service reform | nuclear fuel cycle

    The three went through the mail came from the bureaucracy of young attachment energy agency.

    Integrating the entire TEPCO Group meeting minutes of May 1 the government one of them.
    [Release is made with a high concentration of 8 days will be like this. ]
    [From assistant Hosono, this case is very important on the go to the next step, such as installation of heat exchangers, and (the future in terms that can be discharged out of the radioactive material) during discharge of contaminated water avoid repeating mistakes, officials close to the sharing of information we want working with high sensitivity, which was said. ]

    The two [24 April 2011 Ministry of Economy, Energy Policy Challenges in the earthquake of this current revealed a document]

    The three process measures [Tokyo Electric Power (Revised)]

    "In mid-April" on "a visionary plan 握Ritsubusa," but about the comment that they plan to obtain a highly processed. "On" is in the Democratic administration refers to the role of political leadership three other political affairs minister 海江田.

    I killed the idea, defended the fare hike plan in just TEPCO, is watching the Democratic identity.

    Below, some quotes.
    [To use the community's concern for the summer blackout of TEPCO, "dissolve into chaos and disrupting the Tokyo Electric Power," and threatening the government, but many have received truly facing it, collapsed-stop operation The apparent that there is, to secure funding for the operation and its important that it be clarified as soon as possible to guarantee the government. (Which can be processed if it took time)
    Also wrong, first because of excessive debt nationalization, the government has a choice of investment. It could become a risk to the public to pass on at once.
    TEPCO is essentially different from JAL operating companies and the general public, can not escape completely impatient customers in the local monopoly, there is a feature that enters a stable fee income. (It says it can talk with a straight face electricity price hikes. In other words, Kuni Tsuyoshi need to stick that needs to be done early treatment to prevent damage to the business value that is highlighted when the play is not.)

    Has been used for the corporate bond market collapse that threatened to cause scratches on the bond or financial instability and TEPCO will collapse, will suffice to accommodate the market of several trillion yen of bad loans, lending capacity to temporarily should say here that injection of public funds to leverage financial stabilization scheme if there is no such thing as a bank. (The bank should no longer be silent but it absolutely disgusting.)

    Shareholders came into the trading prices of today, there were a lot who are buying in the calculation of easy money if you can help the country. The market is beginning to factored the possibility of failure already quite a lot in the shareholder from the old 100 the future can be thought that the decision of holding Satoshi Satoshi bankruptcy or to stop loss% a major problem as a capital reduction is not . JAL actually had a debate at exactly the same, 100% capital reduction was implemented. We will continue to market should be factored in the risk of gradual failure.

    (Omitted)

    Stable power supply during summer, including two nuclear power plant accident Hukushima convergence issues a priority (avoid the blackout and sudden death)
    Gain a sense of satisfaction of a fair and public officials realize the burden of minimizing the burden on taxpayers 5 6 rapid implementation of compensation to victims of the financial crisis around four primary Hukuzima anxiety caused by TEPCO Tsutomu Takara 3 (essential for the smooth processing )
    7-induced anti-earthquake measures, implementation of the decision process, including the separation of TEPCO play nine drastic revision of regulations, including the separation electric power project eight ships, including a radical overhaul of the primary regulatory separation NISA

    (Omitted)
    A review of nuclear safety regulation must be the primary regulatory completely separate from the ministry.
    2 Nuclear Safety Agency was abolished, reorganized fundamentally strengthen the Nuclear Safety Commission (Tsuyoshi Masu staff also) be highly independent commission to Article 3.
    Introduced measures to ensure the independence and fairness of the three committees. (Such as disclosure of information about funding from the utility company and its affiliates support organization)
    4 Secretariat, recruited a large number of civilians, including foreigners. To post you need to place the staff or expertise it deserves. Also making a special pay scale, if necessary. This area is very high professional level in Japan have found that even very low levels of private sector than the United States and France. Were exposed to the same level of talent in the financial sector bubble burst. Requires mobilization of public and private resources. Promote internationalization and sophistication of personnel in the field of primary regulation of the Galapagos by this. Yamaichi, as well as the mobilization of human resources was a breakthrough in bankruptcy and LTCB breakthrough that TEPCO failure.

    (Omitted)]

    Kan administration, might have not been able to fully utilize the power of the bureaucracy.
    by Jim Carver at Thu May 05 2011 23:06:05 GMT-0500 (CDT)
    Long time lurker here. I enjoy the open discourse. I haven't really had anything to contribute until now. My partner who is Japanese brought this blog post to my attention. It is from Taro Kono, who is in the house of representatives (LDP, opposition to current government):

    www.taro.org

    In particular this section:

    "エネ庁の若手官僚から添付ファイルが3通ついたメールが来た。

    その一
    5月1日の政府・東電統合本部全体会合の議事録。
    『このままいくと8日にも高濃度の放出が行われる。』
    『細野補佐官から,本件は熱交換機の設置といった次のステップに進む上で非常に重要である,また,(今後, 放射性物質が外に排出され得るという点で,)汚染水排出の際の失敗を繰り返さないよう,関係者は情報共有を 密に行い,高い感度を持って取り組んで欲しい,とする発言があった。』"

    Translation (non-literal and our understanding):

    I received 3 emails with attachments from junior government officials in the energy department.

    The first email:
    Minutes of meeting between TEPCO and the government on the 1st May.
    "If the current situation continues, high density radiation will be released on the 8th May."
    "Mr Hosono said: It is very important to go to the next step regarding the installation of the heat exchanger machine. For the concerned parties, be careful of the sharing of information with high sensitivity so that the same mistakes aren't made again like the release of the radiated water previously.

    The second and third emails aren't related so we didn't translate it. It isn't clear from the text the way the radiation will be released. ie airborne or via water.

    The aforementioned energy department English homepage is this:
    www.enecho.meti.go.jp

    Perhaps those who are following the work and/or parameters of the reactors could hypothesise what they are thinking about doing.
    by Jim Carver at Thu May 05 2011 23:05:00 GMT-0500 (CDT)
    by Jim 5/7/2011 6:29:20 PM

  • Then it is a show put on for the us to see ?? PR show ?? That is why they put out a PR release earlier ?
    by wtm 5/7/2011 6:29:28 PM

  • Looks like they may need the light to install those heat exchanger units someplace ?
    by wtm 5/7/2011 6:31:30 PM

  • Errands back later !
    by wtm 5/7/2011 6:33:25 PM

  • Thanks Edano. Four screenshots 1.10am; 1.12am; 1.17am; 1.19am. at i55.tinypic.com

    by jt via I55.tinypic 5/7/2011 6:33:47 PM

  • #4 is steaming again
    by elainekirk 5/7/2011 6:33:56 PM

  • @jt thank you that is a great visual
    by elainekirk 5/7/2011 6:34:46 PM

  • please anyone can tell me the news ?
    by Edano 5/7/2011 6:35:37 PM

  • @Edano Hi. No real news. We're watching the tippycam mess. Great capture, btw.
    by marie rich 5/7/2011 6:36:51 PM

  • @Edano - they light up Fuku for us tonight & we were treated to a big display of steam /smoke - more than I've seen before
    by UKVal 5/7/2011 6:37:11 PM

  • Image has been clipped. You will need to click on the link to see R4.
    by jt 5/7/2011 6:37:17 PM

  • @UKVal @marie rich : ooh, sounded here like a desaster was going on. ok then, the usual show. ;) lean back and walk on by. nothing to see. thx.
    by Edano 5/7/2011 6:39:00 PM

  • Any thing on mainstream news?
    by Jim 5/7/2011 6:39:06 PM

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