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  • Heh heh... When people ask questions, I'll just go look it up and sound efficient ;) Smart thinking!!! lol
    by marie rich edited by Angie 5/16/2011 4:34:16 AM

  • Quake damage, nuclear crisis force 169 schools to relocate or close
    SENDAI, May 16, Kyodo

    A total of 169 public schools in Fukushima, Iwate and Miyagi prefectures have been forced to temporarily relocate or close in the aftermath of the March 11 earthquake and tsunami due to damage to facilities and fear of radiation from a crippled nuclear power plant, local officials said Monday.

    About 85 percent of the affected schools, or 145 of the total, have been able to restart lessons by borrowing classrooms at other schools or utilizing facilities at schools that had closed down before the disaster, according to the officials at the education boards.

    The remaining 24 schools have been shut in Fukushima Prefecture, where the government has designated no-entry zones centering on a 20-kilometer radius from the disaster-stricken Fukushima Daiichi complex. Pupils and students had to transfer to other schools in their respective evacuation destinations.
    english.kyodonews.jp
    by estacion 5/16/2011 4:37:05 AM

  • incalifornia
    by inCalifornia 5/16/2011 5:30:58 AM

  • where is everyone?
    by inCalifornia 5/16/2011 5:31:13 AM

  • @inCalifornia I think everyone is taking a break from the insanity.
    by bo 5/16/2011 5:31:43 AM

  • Been silent for a while, as you can see
    by bo 5/16/2011 5:31:59 AM

  • Its quiet time on the news board I Think............there isnt any new news around.............But there is fun and games on the other board!
    by Angie 5/16/2011 5:32:16 AM

  • thanks for answering- I am always worried that when something really big happens this site will be shut donw
    by inCalifornia 5/16/2011 5:33:10 AM

  • have you had a look back through the pages? There was lots of talk before on the situation. I dont think we will be shut down.............lol
    by Angie 5/16/2011 5:34:48 AM

  • yes! it seems like the update is- Steam. and things are a lot worse than they were saying....
    by inCalifornia 5/16/2011 5:37:28 AM

  • There is some speculation that the TEPCO leak on Sunday (here) which said that #2 and #3 had also suffered similar core damage as #1 may be a prelude to revealing that #2 and #3 have also fully melted. No certainty, but why the leak? And the Japanese use of phrases like "similar to" often mean are the same.
    by bo 5/16/2011 5:40:42 AM

  • Yes is does appear to look that way which is very scary for the people that were still in the area. @Bo Have you heard anything about the response from the people in regard to the new Tepco announcement?
    by Angie 5/16/2011 5:41:09 AM

  • I can also report that a Japanese friend of mine here said that the news here is full of stories about the fact that #1 fully melted, and the sense that TEPCO has been hiding information, but he told me that most people are feeling fortunate that the contamination "has not been worse" and are cautiously waiting to see what data on that emerges. Of course we know about the cesium contamination, which hasn't really made the news in a big way here yet.
    by bo 5/16/2011 5:42:33 AM

  • They are very brave and stoic people! I am amazed at how well they have handled the situation. I have to go for a bit my sister has decided to visit! You on for a while Bo?
    by Angie 5/16/2011 5:46:24 AM

  • Yup. See you later @Angie.
    by bo 5/16/2011 5:47:27 AM

  • @bo Awesome see you in a few hours or sooner! lol
    by Angie 5/16/2011 5:47:57 AM

  • I wouldn't be surprised at all to find out that #2 and #3 had similar damage. The weird thing is that I saw a posting on 3/24 supposedly from a French Journalist saying that #1 had melted down. Everyone on that board said it was not true and why would a journalist break this story on a board. Did any one else see this post?
    by inCalifornia 5/16/2011 6:02:07 AM

  • by Debra Beckham via I1097.photobucket 5/16/2011 6:03:40 AM

  • @inCalifornia well I sure didn't. There is of course the Japanese nuclear scientist who was an advisor to Kan and he resigned saying that he believed that 1-2-3 had all completely melted.
    by bo 5/16/2011 6:04:03 AM

  • by Debra Beckham via I1097.photobucket 5/16/2011 6:04:26 AM

  • thought you might want to check it out, but I don't want to leave it here- the site is not known for it's accuracy and I don't want to stir up fears if they are unfounded
    by inCalifornia 5/16/2011 6:11:43 AM

  • let me know what you think of his claims
    by inCalifornia 5/16/2011 6:12:29 AM

  • Yes, I know they are considered unreliable. In hindsight the dates seem right, but it is also a bit crazy that reporters would be briefed on this and not be able to publish directly, but only on this blog.
    by bo 5/16/2011 6:13:01 AM

  • I can't believe that amount of heavier quakes we are getting now. I feel that Japan is going to start getting larger ones as time goes by judging from what is happening around the rest of the region. Don't see how the reactors are going to continue to take the abuse from the tremors ?
    by wtm 5/16/2011 6:14:21 AM

  • @bo - right. He was probably guessing what we all were. Strange he would pick 1 first though.
    by inCalifornia 5/16/2011 6:15:01 AM

  • @Bo, InCalifornia, personally from what I read so far and the reactor stats I keep seeing, I believe that all 3 reactors have melted down. Question is where is the corium ? Is it still active or is it slowly cooling off and solidifying itself ? Or is it still hot and currently melting through the concrete drywell and will at some future time (probably soon) hit the bedrock ?
    by wtm 5/16/2011 6:19:00 AM

  • @inCalifornia a lot of people were saying they were already melted down during the first two weeks. Any journalist with actual information would have done more than post on a blog known for comspiratorial hijinks. My two yen
    by bo 5/16/2011 6:21:19 AM

  • @wtm that seems almost certain now. I agree. So now it is all about the corium.
    by bo 5/16/2011 6:21:39 AM

  • @bo, the doc I read stated that the tests they did in meltdown trials, was that it would take @ 28 days for the corium to melt through the concrete and hit bedrock. My guess is that we should be getting to the end of that time period sometime between now and the end of the month. From the fact that the reactors are still hot, especially in the drywells and the radiation stats are high there also, leads me to believe that the corium is still melting away down there. There is NO way that TEPCO can cool that off with injecting water, or nitrogen, They have no injection nozzles down there. At this point all they can do is keep the SFP's cool and sit back and watch !!!!
    by wtm 5/16/2011 6:27:02 AM

  • @Bo thanks.
    by inCalifornia 5/16/2011 6:27:47 AM

  • Night all! A little comic relief... For those who might be dragged into watching the show 'Survivor'. My family and I just finished watching the finale where they announce next season's show and my kids yelled 'Survivor: Fukushima'. I nearly fell off the chair...Keep up the good work all!
    by LM 5/16/2011 6:28:32 AM

  • There was two hypothesis on what will happen when it hits the water in the bedrock. 1. It will make massive super hot steam (Steam explosion), 2. It will make massive amounts of hydrogen (Hydrogen explosion), neither are good outcomes.
    by wtm 5/16/2011 6:29:33 AM

  • @LM good night. Ha! Thanks for the humor. I have a "nuclear" family too.
    by bo 5/16/2011 6:29:34 AM

  • @wtm forgive my lack on knowledge, but why won't the injected water cause an explosion?
    by bo 5/16/2011 6:30:28 AM

  • @bo, it could, they were concerned that it could happen, they wanted to also inject nitrogen in to stop that from happening. They believe #1 no longer has water in it, that there is a bunch of air trapped in the top of the RPV and that is why the pressure is so high. There is always the possibility that any water if it is mixed with the melted "cadding" of the rods could cause a hydrogen explosion. They really have no way of knowing, siince a lot of the gauges don't work well.
    by wtm 5/16/2011 6:34:50 AM

  • @wtm Oy. Thanks.
    by bo 5/16/2011 6:39:51 AM

  • @bo, debate is which is going to happen sooner, melt through or #4 falls over ?
    by wtm 5/16/2011 6:52:46 AM

  • @wtm sounds like a loose/loose scenario for a debate!
    by bo 5/16/2011 6:54:24 AM

  • @Bo, I compared this to a juggler, that is spinning bowls of acid above his head, he keeps spinning the bowls as fast as he can hoping that they will evaporate, all along the acid is burning through the bowls and the dowels holding up the bowls. He knows that if one bowl burns through and hits him, he will then drop the others on him.
    by wtm 5/16/2011 7:06:10 AM

  • @wtm wow. Vivid image. Thanks. I had been using the car balanced half off of the cliff but not yet fallen over. No tires on the ground yet. But that image implies the possibility of recovery. A false hope obviously. With your permission (and credit) I will use yours from now on.
    by bo 5/16/2011 7:08:19 AM

  • On another, safer note, is there another mod on? I have to go from work to home and will be gone for about 45 minutes.
    by bo 5/16/2011 7:10:28 AM

  • @Bo, go ahead, another example, is of men at a dam that is cracking, running all over and sticking their fingers into the cracks trying to stop the water,as they watch the dam continue to crack.
    by wtm 5/16/2011 7:11:01 AM

  • Oy. Thanks @wtm, be back on in a bit. Might have to pour a drink and think about these.
    by bo 5/16/2011 7:11:51 AM

  • From Physics Forums:
    "Unit 3 SFP explosion
    This weekend, Gundersen reiterates the "prompt moderated criticality" hypothesis, does not back away from that concept, despite previous criticism.
    He cites high levels of I-131 in the Unit 3 stored fuel pool. Since the explosion was two months ago, and given the half-life of this isotope, says it is hard to explain the current level unless there was an original fission event to produce enough I-131 for several half-lives.
    <...>
    Also he says that the fact Unit 4 SFP storage racks are intact means that physical fragments of plutonium MOX fuel, found 2 km from the reactor site, could only have come from the explosion of Unit 3 SFP. And calculates that a projectile distance two kilometers implies a supersonic launch velocity in the explosion. (Detonation in which the shock wave expanded faster than the speed of sound)"
    www.physicsforums.com
    by Rob in SF 5/16/2011 7:27:47 AM

  • RE reactor 4 SFP:
    The plans call for 30 pillars beneath the tank to help reinforce the unit’s fire-damaged building. After that, a wall 3-to 6-feet thick is scheduled to be built around the pillars by the end of July.
    nuclearstreet.com
    by Rob in SF 5/16/2011 7:57:29 AM

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