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  • I think they shut down the bay near the plant, which will only concentrate the dose for the workers at the plant.
    by Ralph Unger 5/16/2011 8:52:21 AM

  • And force the water to enter the water table.
    by Ralph Unger 5/16/2011 8:53:00 AM

  • @Ralph Unger - You mean closed off the marina entrance between the sea walls? Yeah, that'll work...
    by Rob in SF 5/16/2011 8:55:07 AM

  • For what it's worth my view is (and has been since the beginning) that all 3 melted down in the day or so before the explosions, and that there is virtually nothing they can do to control the situation, the rad releases are and will be too high. They are just lucky that none of the reactors had suffered a bigger explosion.
    by hudebnik 5/16/2011 8:56:08 AM

  • Yep Rob, one of the greatest concerns about Chernobyl was groundwater contamination, and it has already happened here. That may last (and spread) for generations.
    by Ralph Unger 5/16/2011 8:57:31 AM

  • In other words most of the damage occurred in the first 24 hours or so, just that the containment strategy has until now worked better with news coverage than with radiation
    by hudebnik 5/16/2011 8:57:41 AM

  • by Rob in SF 5/16/2011 8:57:51 AM

  • March 23 or so there was another large event that caused a lot of rad.
    by Ralph Unger 5/16/2011 8:58:23 AM

  • @Ralph Unger I think due to the topography the groundwater contamination will all just dump into the ocean. Keep watching the ocean testing...
    by Rob in SF 5/16/2011 8:59:55 AM

  • But I reckon that the 'news containment' strategy has also failed now, and public opinion/anger may soon start to reflect the actual seriousness rather than the overly optimistic 'don't panic' GoJ strategy - @bo?
    by hudebnik 5/16/2011 9:01:09 AM

  • Ocean might be OK, but what about the inland water? Where is all the stuff going? I am reading a lot of radiation inland and it cannot be from dust. www.mext.go.jp
    by Ralph Unger 5/16/2011 9:01:56 AM

  • #3 is not looking so good. www.nisa.meti.go.jp
    by Ralph Unger edited by elainekirk 5/16/2011 9:10:03 AM

  • @bo - that is a fascinating and perceptive paper. @mod - please could that be pinned?
    by hudebnik 5/16/2011 9:10:20 AM

  • @Ralph - no - I'm certain something v. nasty is going on in no.3. Even Tepco said yesterday that they were injecting boron to prevent renewed criticality.
    by hudebnik 5/16/2011 9:12:04 AM

  • Or maybe the translation of that would be 'to try to stop ongoing criticality'
    by hudebnik 5/16/2011 9:12:51 AM

  • @bo - hadn't realised you were an all-powerful mod as well as your academic status! Thanks.
    by hudebnik 5/16/2011 9:15:24 AM

  • @hudebnik, I am of the Mod Squad. I am Link.
    by bo 5/16/2011 9:16:05 AM

  • @bo - lol!
    by hudebnik 5/16/2011 9:16:57 AM

  • brb gang
    by bo 5/16/2011 9:18:07 AM

  • @bo - respect, man!
    by hudebnik 5/16/2011 9:18:14 AM

  • JapanSubculture.com has been blogging some decent investigative journalism all along...


    As reported on April 4th here, Japanese law-enforcement continues their investigation into TEPCO, the managing entity of the Fukushima Nuclear Reactor for charges of professional negligence resulting in death or injury, but now the Tokyo Prosecutor Special Investigation Unit has begun their own independent investigation.

    The investigation is focussing on what TEPCO did after the Tsunami as well as before (in terms of criminal negligence). The two individuals most likely to be charged with criminal incompetence resulting in death and/or injury are the CEO at the time and the current chairman. During the first 24 hours after the accident, the chairman and the president were both unaccounted for and/or unreachable considerably delaying countermeasures which could have prevented death, injury and the meltdown. There are also reports that putting sea water into the reactor were delayed as TEPCO executives used political connections to buy time to try and save the reactors, rather than focussing on saving lives and the environment around the reactor.

    One thing that is now increasingly coming into question is TEPCO’s assertion that “this accident was beyond the scope of our imagination” (想定外). This only holds true if the cause of the reactor meltdown was due to the flooding of the emergency generators by the tsunami (tidal wave) which were supposed to power down the reactor. There is a great possibility that the earthquake itself immediately did so much damage to the containment vessel and parts of reactor 1, that the tidal wave influence was negligible. There are reports that for several years TEPCO was warned by the original manufacturers to replace the core of the reactor and failed to do so.

    www.japansubculture.com
    by Rob in SF 5/16/2011 9:18:54 AM

  • That is the conspiracy, not hiding data after the accident, but hiding data before it happened.
    by Ralph Unger 5/16/2011 9:20:02 AM

  • Well I'm sure @dean would agree that one of the key factors was that the reactor operators were expected to refer up, and in an emergency that is unrealistic and was impossible anyway
    by hudebnik 5/16/2011 9:21:42 AM

  • The paper pinned at the top of the board shows that the tsunami was not unprecedented in any way
    by hudebnik 5/16/2011 9:24:55 AM

  • As far as I can tell, the disaster was caused by unrealistic prognosis of possible disaster scenarios..
    by Ralph Unger 5/16/2011 9:25:20 AM

  • Except that they didn't have so many nuclear power plants 100+ years ago that is.
    by hudebnik 5/16/2011 9:25:25 AM

  • @Ralph - exactly, it should have been planned for, especially after the Boxing Day one. A paradox is that the Japanese building codes meant that most buildings actually withstood the quake very well
    by hudebnik 5/16/2011 9:27:06 AM

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    by Rob in SF 5/16/2011 9:27:52 AM

  • I must go and do some work - have a good day all, may drop by later.
    by hudebnik 5/16/2011 9:27:57 AM

  • Look at the Spanish quake, that would have done nothing to LA or Japan but many people died in a small quake.
    by Ralph Unger 5/16/2011 9:28:35 AM

  • New data shows it was at .6 km, which had a lot to do with the damage. www.earthtimes.org
    by Ralph Unger 5/16/2011 9:31:33 AM

  • @ralph the meti #3 doc do you have #5 & #6 temps ?
    by elainekirk 5/16/2011 9:32:57 AM

  • by Ralph Unger edited by elainekirk 5/16/2011 9:34:28 AM

  • 42.2 C and 35.5 C in 5 & 6.
    by Ralph Unger 5/16/2011 9:35:58 AM

  • @ralph ty can you see any possibility that they woul have deteriorated over the weekend?
    by elainekirk 5/16/2011 9:42:03 AM

  • "Hydrazine was also injected." I gotta go figure out what that was for.
    by Ralph Unger 5/16/2011 9:44:54 AM

  • A cooling agent as best I can tell.
    by Ralph Unger 5/16/2011 9:45:31 AM

  • Basically they want to use the water as soap bubbles to cover the fuel?
    by Ralph Unger 5/16/2011 9:46:58 AM

  • by Ralph Unger 5/16/2011 9:48:14 AM

  • Maybe that is why "Steam" can still cool the fuel. It is foam.
    by Ralph Unger 5/16/2011 9:49:11 AM

  • "Hydrazine is used within both nuclear and conventional electrical power plant steam cycles to control concentrations of dissolved oxygen in an effort to reduce corrosion."
    by Ralph Unger 5/16/2011 9:50:09 AM

  • @ralph I can see a situation where one of their solutions interacts with another solution and they end up creating more problems
    by elainekirk 5/16/2011 9:50:32 AM

  • But it is flammable!
    by Ralph Unger 5/16/2011 9:51:29 AM

  • @ralph yeah and if it doesnt work, and when it leaks into the pits, and when....
    by elainekirk 5/16/2011 9:53:59 AM

  • I'm gonna ask Gunderson about the hydrazine.
    by Ralph Unger 5/16/2011 9:55:41 AM

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