Japan Earthquake

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Hmmm......maybe that was the 3 hrs where we saw the flash and smoke show...they might have had to drop and run.
by LM 5/22/2011 4:46:36 AM

4.5 earthquake, off the east coast of Honshu, Japan. May 22 2:04pm at epicenter (29m ago, 262km SE of Mito, depth 33km). j.mp
by Veenie 5/22/2011 5:00:04 AM

4.6 earthquake off Honshu, Japan 2:45pm 275 miles from Mito.. earthquake.usgs.gov
by LM 5/22/2011 5:16:40 AM

Correction....275km from Mito.
by LM 5/22/2011 5:19:26 AM

Tepco cam shows water on lens but you can see a lot of smoke from 4... www.tepco.co.jp
by LM 5/22/2011 5:24:14 AM

Night all! Awfully quiet...hopefully there are few more of us rapture rejects still around!
by LM 5/22/2011 5:25:34 AM

The Daiichi complex had a total of 1760 metric tons of fresh and used nuclear fuel on site last year, according to a presentation by its owners, the Tokyo Electric Power Company (Tepco). The most damaged Daiichi reactor, number 3, contains about 90 tons of fuel, and the storage pool above reactor 4, which the Nuclear Regulatory Commission's (NRC's) Gregory Jaczko reported yesterday had lost its cooling water, contains 135 tons of spent fuel. The amount of fuel lost in the core melt at Three Mile Island in 1979 was about 30 tons; the Chernobyl reactors had about 180 tons when the accident occurred in 1986. news.sciencemag.org
by Banned sth 5/22/2011 5:32:31 AM

Hi guys! sorry I Havent been on today........very busy day here. I should be right now to leave this onand put people through mod.
by Angie 5/22/2011 5:35:04 AM

If u take a moment to read both links.
by Banned sth 5/22/2011 6:10:19 AM

www3.nhk.or.jp
by Banned sth 5/22/2011 6:10:32 AM

www.ccamu.ca
by Banned sth 5/22/2011 6:13:49 AM

Nuclear plant workers suffer internal radiation exposure after visiting Fukushima
mdn.mainichi.jp
"Nobuaki Terasaka, head of the Nuclear and Industrial Safety Agency, told the House of Representatives Budget Committee on May 16 that there were a total of 4,956 cases of workers suffering from internal exposure to radiation at nuclear power plants in the country excluding the Fukushima No. 1 Nuclear Power Plant, and 4,766 of them involved workers originally from Fukushima who had visited the prefecture after the nuclear crisis.

In 1,193 cases, workers had internal exposure to radiation of more than 10,000 cpm."
by Reed 5/22/2011 6:18:27 AM

by Rob in SF via Japantimes.co.jp 5/22/2011 6:36:47 AM

by Reed via Tepco.co.jp 5/22/2011 6:45:29 AM

OH NO WESTCOAST
May 22 2011, 07:21:37 UTC 20 minutes ago off the coast of Oregon 4.6 10.1
by Veenie 5/22/2011 7:45:17 AM

@veenie that big. tried to see ca history of quakes, but usgs couldn't show the page- when was last such quake here?
by Mona 5/22/2011 7:52:12 AM

@Rob if you are still around your rubble pic says it all
by hudebnik 5/22/2011 7:55:16 AM

@I found a list. www.emsc-csem.org
by Mona edited by elainekirk 5/22/2011 8:03:25 AM

proposed cooling system for #2 www.tepco.co.jp
by elainekirk 5/22/2011 8:33:41 AM

That's the #2 SFP cooling? Must be, still has a roof.
by hudebnik 5/22/2011 8:37:52 AM

@hudebnik yup at this moment in time it does, never ceases to amaze me that fact
by elainekirk 5/22/2011 8:40:30 AM

@elaine - Me too! Of course #2 SFP is the easy one, and the only one free(ish) of debris.
by hudebnik 5/22/2011 8:42:55 AM

there is a asahi report on Tepco's demand to have the public shoulder the cost of the damage on the grounds it was a 'natural' disaster !! my translater doesnt present it in a form I can make sense of can anyone translate it in a way that makes sense? www.asahi.com
by elainekirk 5/22/2011 8:43:10 AM

@ ”500 cpm = 1.5 milliREM per hour. That is 15 microSv/hr, or 131 milliSv/year.
10,000 cpm = 10 milliREM per hour. That equals 100 microSv/hr, or 876 milliSv/year.
How's that "nobody has exceeded 250 milliSievert" claim doing, Tepco? Many of these guys most assuredly have, or will exceed that dose very soon now.”
www.falloutphilippines.blogspot.com
by Mona 5/22/2011 8:43:53 AM

@mona - I reckon that they will soon be running out of the skilled people they need, they will have reached their max doses. The report yesterday of 5000 having had internal radiation exposure after having 'visited' Fuku (like on holiday, doh!) must presumably refer to the hundreds of nuclear workers drafted in from other plants, unless it was other rescue workers in the early days getting high doses a long way from the plant.
by hudebnik 5/22/2011 8:48:48 AM

And how (referring to @reed's post a couple of hours ago) they can olny just have discovered debris in the plant area registering 1Sv/hr amazes me - they were supposed to have been doing comprehensive site monitoring.
by hudebnik 5/22/2011 8:51:07 AM

One of the features of Tepco's response has been how they have been aiming for the 'low hanging fruit' first, presumably to demonstrate some sort of progress. Unfortunately they haven't yet managed to pick any of it, almost all the 'cunning plans' (for anyone familiar with the UK TV series Blackadder) have failed to pick one once.
by hudebnik 5/22/2011 8:55:14 AM

@hudebnik they try to do something, or look like it. Have to be positive..I wish we had the answers to all the questions. What about this: Compared to this, the Jod-131 consentration in Japan have never been bigger than it was in Germany after Chernobyl?? And mostly far below. Either it means that the releases at Fuku has not been that big, or there are something wrong with the messurings? Comments anyone?
www.bfs.de
Same goes for Cesium-137.
www.bfs.de
by Mona via Bfs.de 5/22/2011 9:07:03 AM

@hudebnik they try to do something, or look like it. Have to be positive..I wish we had the answers to all the questions. What about this: Compared to this, the Jod-131 consentration in Japan have never been bigger than it was in Germany after Chernobyl?? And mostly far below. Either it means that the releases at Fuku has not been that big, or there are something wrong with the messurings? Comments anyone?
www.bfs.de
Same goes for Cesium-137.
www.bfs.de
by Mona via Bfs.de 5/22/2011 9:07:03 AM

@mona - the Chernobyl plume was very well monitored over Europe and a lot of rad came down in rain. Indeed parts of the UK still have restrictions of lamb being sold because it is too radioactive, and this is 25 years later. We have seen very inadequate figures from Japan of the amount of radioactivity, my suspicion is that a lot of the info has been withheld. Greenpeace produced alarming figures from Iitate in the early days and it was only much later that the Iitate area was finally evacuated. Raising the allowed limits for schoolchildren is so NOT the answer.
by hudebnik 5/22/2011 9:15:15 AM

@hudbnik that is what it seems like to me too. But what I do not understand is that these low amounts is significant for so many different both countries and organisations, like this German org. So what can make so many agree in withhelding? That is talking against it.
by Mona 5/22/2011 9:20:19 AM

@Mona and I'm surprised Greenpeace hasn't published its readings yet -apart from the seaweed. What's taking them so long?
by UKVal 5/22/2011 9:24:43 AM

@mona - that is one of the absolutely key questions about this crisis, and one that I think will haunt Japanese govt and society for many, many years to come. It's a pity @bo isn't around this week, it is right up his street. This animation of the Chernobyl plume is salutary www.youtube.com as Fuku will have produced something similar if not at such huge doses in the early days. 40 russians gave their lives in the early days trying to damp down the reactor, which was completely uncontained. Fuku is potentially 3x worse though spread over a much longer timescale.
by hudebnik 5/22/2011 9:25:53 AM

@UKVal Yes, what is keeping them? Should have got the results out by now?
by Mona 5/22/2011 9:26:07 AM

@UKVal I was wondering what happened to GP early on in this crisis too, let alone lately. In the early days, there was only the briefest mention of Fuku on their home page, and that had sat up there for days. Not exactly 'finger on the pulse'. I dunno, maybe whales are more important?
by Paul 5/22/2011 9:33:42 AM

@Paul -they took readings just outside the exclusion zone in the early days & tried to take sea readings recently but GoJ wouldn't let them into Japanese waters. But I have been surprsied that their website is so sparse on Fukushima
by UKVal 5/22/2011 9:37:58 AM

@UKVal Yeah, good to see they have got involved, but disappointing they weren't all over it since the outset. IIRC, similar applies to FOTE, for one, but to be fair I might not be fully up to speed on events - just my general impressions to go by so far.
by Paul 5/22/2011 9:42:28 AM

12th of May GP said that full results are expected to be released next week, so maybe there will be some news tomorrow? Let's hope they got some fishermen to do the samlping near the coast..

www.greenpeace.org
by Mona 5/22/2011 9:49:40 AM

@ukval - well spotted. Was there a white flash first?
by hudebnik 5/22/2011 10:15:37 AM

Note there's currently a pinky tint to the evening skies at Fukushima airport too: www.pref.fukushima.jp
by es 5/22/2011 10:20:24 AM

The colour grading of the pink from bright back to normal is exactly like yesterday. Has the cam been giving normal pics during the day (clouds excepted)?
by hudebnik 5/22/2011 10:20:44 AM

@hudebnik - in other words the cam was working normally after your dusk experience & my 2nd dawn one
by UKVal 5/22/2011 10:26:13 AM

TEPCO has released a special camera to visualize the data in the dose of the Unit 1 reactor building Fukushima Daiichi nuclear power plant. So far have been found even in areas with high radiation dose can not be investigated.
news.tbs.co.jp (Sorry that's Google's attempted tx but you'll get the gist)
by hudebnik 5/22/2011 10:29:47 AM

@hudebnik BTY -the sudden transition form light to almost dark has happened on 2 other occasions when I was cam watching. Doesn't make sense
by UKVal 5/22/2011 10:30:30 AM

@ukval - I dunno, I'm baffled (tho I know what I observed). Could be multiple phenomena of course... Pity about the cloud, it would be useful to know if there was a steam/smoke display on tonight.
by hudebnik 5/22/2011 10:34:04 AM