Japan Earthquake | Page 1355

  • @ch, Teppy cam is now showing it is 3pm there. Another 4 hours before sunset. I too have to hit the bed. Night !!!
    by wtm 5/24/2011 6:09:43 AM

  • Review of global-Chernobyl effects by Ernest Sternglass : www.mitchelcohen.com
    by Ian 5/24/2011 6:11:39 AM

  • @wtm Good night.
    by ch 5/24/2011 6:12:01 AM

  • Morning @all
    by hudebnik 5/24/2011 7:10:27 AM

  • See I didn't miss much overnight (apart from the final rupture of Tepco's information containment structure that is).
    by hudebnik 5/24/2011 7:11:19 AM

  • @hudebnik Morning! Yes now to find the molten mess...............
    by Angie 5/24/2011 7:14:22 AM

  • @angie - I think it sorry they will come out of hiding on their own.
    by hudebnik 5/24/2011 7:17:58 AM

  • A little reality check on Tepco's 'realisations' about #2 & 3. I've just been looking at the Tepco data we've got at www.houseoffoust.com and it is completely clear that the RPVs failed (loss of all coolant within an hour or so) as follows, times in JST:
    #1 0700 12 March
    #2 1530 14 March
    #3 ???? 12 March (no exact time recorded, only when no water at all)
    by hudebnik 5/24/2011 7:22:16 AM

  • No coolant = complete meltdown within the hour, it cannot mean anything else.
    by hudebnik 5/24/2011 7:23:04 AM

  • @hudebnik I fear you may be right..........Been sitting in there a hell of a long time.... Can always hope right that it holds in the basements
    ?
    by Angie 5/24/2011 7:23:31 AM

  • Yes we have no idea how far it has got into the concrete basemat, and for once neither has Tepco
    by hudebnik 5/24/2011 7:24:32 AM

  • @angie to make you feel at home a posting from an outspoken (and accurate) Australian blog: Some plain talking about nuclear lies
    blogs.crikey.com.au
    by hudebnik edited by Angie 5/24/2011 7:27:29 AM

  • @hudebnik Nancy spoke this morning my time about some kind of xray machine that maybe could be used to help locate it. I hope they use that instead of the workers! Oh I will have a look at that link lol
    by Angie 5/24/2011 7:27:54 AM


  • China syndrome for Japan : www.atimes.com
    by bo 5/24/2011 8:00:34 AM

  • Hi folks, here is an English language "bunny report" with some video: enenews.com
    by bo 5/24/2011 8:00:50 AM

  • Hi bo how is the holiday going?
    by Angie 5/24/2011 8:02:23 AM

  • @Angie going well. But not holiday time yet, working so far. And another week of work, then a week off to visit my boy and his wife. Hey all, check this article out, IAEA informed in March that No. 1 reactor core started melting about 50 minutes after cooling stopped — Melted pile of fuel in 3.5 hours: enenews.com
    by bo 5/24/2011 8:04:17 AM

  • "Chris Allison, who had actually developed the analysis and simulation software, reported the result to the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) in late March. It was only May 15 when Tokyo Electric Power Co. (TEPCO) admitted for the first time that a meltdown had occurred at the No. 1 reactor at the Fukushima nuclear plant. [...]" So TEPCO was admitting that #1 had melted down as early as the 15th!
    by bo 5/24/2011 8:05:19 AM

  • @bo - Dobry Den!
    by hudebnik 5/24/2011 8:06:55 AM

  • @hudebnik I haven't learned a word here!
    by bo 5/24/2011 8:07:49 AM

  • More beer needed!
    by hudebnik 5/24/2011 8:08:24 AM

  • @Angie this conference I have been at is just crawling with Skippys, it is making me nervous!
    by bo 5/24/2011 8:08:31 AM

  • @hudebnik that is always true, and in the international language!
    by bo 5/24/2011 8:09:47 AM

  • One thing that has infuriated me is how the IAEA has for the most part underplayed the events at Fukushima, almost acting as an apologist for the nuclear industry. Their last update was on May 18th. Aren't they supposed to be an independent UN agency?
    by hudebnik 5/24/2011 8:10:14 AM

  • Radiation at Reactor No. 1 skyrockets — Now over 200 Sieverts per hour: enenews.com
    by bo 5/24/2011 8:11:23 AM

  • @hudebnik very true. I imagine that the 80 km zone mentioned by the US embassy came as a result that they knew that 3 plants had melted. How have all these governments sat and watched as more and more people were exposed to high levels of radiation?
    by bo 5/24/2011 8:12:38 AM

  • @bo lol at skippy's!! I think everyone involved all agencys and gov's need a kick for letting this happen!
    by Angie 5/24/2011 8:14:08 AM

  • @bo Sobering stuff...
    "The most significant and least controversial bottom line is that escaped fuel would complicate enormously clean-up efforts, expose workers to unpredictable flashes of intense radioactivity, and threaten to contaminate the air, water and soil around the plant further with massive amounts of dangerous isotopes.

    It is hard to overstate the significance of the latter - the danger is so real that newer-generation nuclear plants are designed with expensive special radiation traps to capture molten nuclear fuel. In an unfavorable sequence of events (for example, a powerful aftershock followed by a new tsunami), an area of tens of thousands of square kilometers could turn into a nuclear wasteland.

    The damage to the ocean ecosystem, which has already absorbed large radioactive emissions, would be enormous."
    www.atimes.com
    by Rob in SF 5/24/2011 8:14:33 AM

  • Yikes. I noticed that the story made it back on the BBC where it says that TEPCO has admitted that "extra fuel rods" may have melted.
    by bo 5/24/2011 8:15:49 AM

  • Hey, I gotta get ready to check out and catch a plane to Germany. I'll be on and off for an hour.
    by bo 5/24/2011 8:16:12 AM

  • Cheers bo, safe journey!
    by hudebnik 5/24/2011 8:16:35 AM

  • Also of note from that article:
    A newly-released set of documents and logs from the early hours and days of the crisis took the government "off-guard" [8] by suggesting that a "worker error may have led to meltdown".

    The documents, some analysts point out, could serve to exonerate the American company General Electric, which manufactured the reactors, from its share of the blame. It looks, therefore, as if the blame-game is intensifying. If the reports of human error are confirmed, this would bring to the fore discussions about the state of preparedness of the plant operators for a crisis.
    www.atimes.com

    [Hmmm... first time I saw that, part of skeptic old me was trying to whisper to myself "plant" "plant" ... - Alblee]
    by Rob in SF edited by alblee 5/24/2011 8:20:05 AM

  • @alblee good morning

    [Good morning, @elainekirk. Thanks. What's for lunch in Scotland? :o) I am back from a road trip, but only for a while, be off again for maybe 12, 14 hours tomorrow. Miss you guys terribly. -
    Alblee]

    Well I dont know I have never served lunch under an ash cloud aand thinking of something approrpriate is quite...
    by elainekirk 5/24/2011 8:23:14 AM

  • @elainekirk Morning! How is your wonderous ash cloud going??
    by Angie 5/24/2011 8:30:31 AM

  • Per the BBC article Bo mentioned, seems TEPCO only made this latest revelation as they were required to report to NISA...

    He said the analysis came from a report that Tepco was required to submit to Japan's Nuclear and Industrial Safety Agency (Nisa).

    The spokesman added that most of the fuel from the Number 2 reactor had melted approximately 100 hours after the earthquake, which measured 9 on the Richter scale, struck Japan.

    The meltdown in the Number 3 reactor took place about 60 hours after the quake.

    Mr Matsuda said the new discovery would not alter Tepco's plans.

    The company has said that it wants to reach a "cold shutdown" of the power plant by January, and has been trying to cool the reactors and get the unstable fuel rods back under control.

    "This result does not change our work," he said.
    www.bbc.co.uk
    by Rob in SF 5/24/2011 8:30:39 AM

  • That 200Sv figure if true (and it looks as if it may be) is horrifying. The posting erroneously says it is from the suppression chamber (torus) tho the graph says drywell. 200Sv is instant death, right?
    by hudebnik 5/24/2011 8:31:10 AM

  • Morning @elaine
    by hudebnik 5/24/2011 8:31:32 AM

  • Ok stupid question but how can you have cold shutdown when you have melted the thing?? Is this just Tepco speak?
    by Angie 5/24/2011 8:32:45 AM

  • @hudebnik Sheesh, I saw that as mSv. It can't be 200 Sv...
    by Rob in SF 5/24/2011 8:32:45 AM

  • The graph shows 200 Sieverts! enenews.com
    by hudebnik 5/24/2011 8:33:43 AM

  • @Angie Yeah, how can you control the fuel rods after they've melted?
    by Rob in SF 5/24/2011 8:33:59 AM

  • Well it presumably (so not my field)
    could be 200Sv if some sort of continuing criticality has occurred.
    by hudebnik 5/24/2011 8:34:48 AM

  • @Angie Leem help you out here.....
    Imagine your family scarfing down your dish that has been disinegrated......yet they gotta eat..
    by Veenie 5/24/2011 8:35:14 AM

  • @all - how many Sv inside an operating reactor?
    by hudebnik 5/24/2011 8:35:28 AM

  • That's a suppression chamber reading, s/c...
    enenews.com

    by Rob in SF via Enenews 5/24/2011 8:35:33 AM

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