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  • @bobby1 I dunno whether to laugh or cry at your comment -it very good
    by elainekirk 6/1/2011 12:26:42 AM

  • @elainekirk It's the most lethal smog I've ever encountered out there.
    by Bobby1 6/1/2011 12:29:22 AM

  • why is the TEPCO livecam at such a strange angle?
    by UKVal 6/1/2011 12:31:59 AM

  • @UKVal So you cant see the bad???? lol
    by Angie 6/1/2011 12:34:29 AM

  • @Edano fixed, dropped a line of code.
    by Nancy 6/1/2011 12:34:48 AM

  • @Angie they must have spent ages getting the exact view they wanted & fixing cam well so it doesn't move in wind!
    by UKVal 6/1/2011 12:39:03 AM

  • In fact, what we think might have occurred was actually two explosions. What I found out is there is a sound file connected with the explosion of the Unit 3 building. We cannot draw absolute conclusions from it because the sound was manipulated - realigned in time because you have to allow five seconds in delay for each mile distance between the explosion and where the video was filmed and recorded. I do think that the sound file shows that there were two explosions, which would have been very similar to Chernobyl where just a few tenths of a second apart two different types of explosions occurred and one would have been the prompt criticality. The other is the steam explosion.

    It's possible then that there was a hydrogen explosion at Unit 3. It re-arranged the fuel in the spent fuel pool into a geometric configuration that caused a prompt criticality, which would have created much more energy than a hydrogen explosion, allowing the fuel rods to be ejected hundreds of feet into the air and even a mile away from the plant. www.earthfiles.com
    by UKVal 6/1/2011 12:39:23 AM

  • @UKVal lol I would be thinking so! Everything can look ok at the right angle!
    by Angie 6/1/2011 12:39:51 AM

  • @Nancy excellent.
    by Edano 6/1/2011 12:40:47 AM

  • @Angie perhas they brought in those bushes to disguise debris on the ground?
    by UKVal 6/1/2011 12:41:04 AM

  • @UKVal Not sure! for some unknown reason I still cant bring up the cam! Only seen the screen shot that was up and read about it........not even the lucas link will work.......
    by Angie 6/1/2011 12:43:33 AM

  • @UKVal Careful with that assessment. I used speed of sound calculations to locate a sound source that could have been an echo at the right distance, The R6 Unit Face ius exactly right, and so close and well aligned for reflection that the echo would have been virtually the same volume
    by RadioGuy 6/1/2011 12:45:04 AM

  • @RadioGuy - not my assessment - from the linked article. I thought it was interesting re prompt criticality - but you make a very good point
    by UKVal 6/1/2011 12:46:48 AM

  • @Angie I can't get the cam to work in Chrome so I reverted to IE wheree it works fine
    by UKVal 6/1/2011 12:47:33 AM

  • And if it was the video with the synchronized sound, I aligned that video sound so we could hear it together. The original had a perfect delay for a cam 600 meters away.
    by RadioGuy 6/1/2011 12:47:38 AM

  • @ Nancy and Tenzing I sent you and email with the docs as they are. I think I'm really finished now, at least with the short one.
    by carabnr 6/1/2011 12:48:07 AM

  • @ UK Val I think they chose the camera angle keeps what's happening at 4 out of the picture.
    by carabnr 6/1/2011 12:49:33 AM

  • tokai daini has now joined onagawa in the high readings so now 4 plants have workers exposed to high radiation levels and 2 more are listed as 'checking' which is onimous www.nisa.meti.go.jp
    by elainekirk 6/1/2011 12:50:43 AM

  • pubs.acs.org
    MAY 31, 2011 DOI:10.1021/CEN052611113424
    Scientists Estimate Radiation Doses To Wildlife Near Fukushima Nuclear Disaster: Animals and plants near the Japanese nuclear plant may have received unsafe doses. The analysis, conducted by Jacqueline Garnier-Laplace and colleagues from the French Institute of Radioprotection and Nuclear Safety, is the first assessment of the ecological consequences from the nuclear disaster at the Fukushima Daiichi Nuclear Power Station. Near Iitate, the researchers calculated that dose rates among plants, birds, rodents, and soil invertebrates ranged from 2 to 20 mGy/day, as much as 80 times greater than the threshold dose. Marine doses were even higher, ranging from 210 to 4,600 mGy/day.

    But Garnier-Laplace cautions that the analysis has a high degree of uncertainty, in part because sampling data was available only for a few radioisotopes. Moreover, her coauthor, Thomas Hinton, deputy director of the French nuclear safety institute, points out that despite the estimated high dose rates, scientists may have a hard time detecting any ecological effects of the radiation. That's because scientists lack a good understanding of species population sizes before the accident, he says, and because the radioisotopes will slowly dilute.
    by Tenzing 6/1/2011 12:51:58 AM

  • @carabnr yes it's interesting that I've seen no evidence of steam. Also the original TEPCO cam revealed a bit too much of 4 in the last shots - I imagine they thought they needed to change the pic to a less revealing 1 & making it live was the excuse.
    by UKVal 6/1/2011 12:52:23 AM

  • @elainekirk will this nightmare ever cease?
    not in our lifetime :( how are you doing for signatures?
    by UKVal edited by elainekirk 6/1/2011 12:53:05 AM

  • Oh looky there is a time lag on the camera so kiss goodbye to ever seeing anything www.tepco.co.jp as if we can see much from that angle anyway!
    by elainekirk 6/1/2011 1:01:51 AM

  • You can't tell that #4 is leaning from that angle.
    by Bobby1 6/1/2011 1:02:31 AM

  • The Russian city of Chelyabinski was home to the first atomic weapons complex in the Soviet Union - and one of the worst nuclear disasters in the World. ABC reporter Norman Hermant reports from Chelyabinski, where the devastating consequences are still being felt.
    www.abc.net.au
    by Panserbjorne9 6/1/2011 1:04:30 AM

  • I think thee's steam from 4 -although they've arranged the cam so the steam comes out close to the tower
    by UKVal 6/1/2011 1:04:40 AM

  • Good News everybody !!
    Tepco have done studies and units #1 and #4 are safe from being damaged by any further earthquake , they even drew you a picture
    www.tepco.co.jp
    now you will sleep better
    by elainekirk 6/1/2011 1:06:20 AM

  • @elainekirk - around 10 emails today last time I looked Definitely need far more...
    I keep plugging and hoping
    by UKVal edited by elainekirk 6/1/2011 1:06:36 AM

  • At the bottom of this doc is a note on statutory density what does it mean?
    www.tepco.co.jp
    by elainekirk 6/1/2011 1:26:10 AM

  • @UKVal As soon as hotmail decides to play nice with me I will shoot off a email! I have 3 names to add.......hotmail wont even open at the moment! driving me up the wall!!!
    by Angie 6/1/2011 1:27:29 AM

  • @Angie great! wonder what's wrong with hotmail -someone else was having probs too
    by UKVal 6/1/2011 1:28:14 AM

  • @UKVal I have no idea!! But I have emails that I need to get too........Now FB is screwed as well! right restart time!! bbs
    by Angie 6/1/2011 1:28:59 AM

  • @UKVal : yes, me. hotmail was down. but right now it's working again.
    by Edano 6/1/2011 1:29:45 AM

  • Now I've heard the good news Elaine posted that #1 & 4 are safe from further quake damage I think I'll go to bed...
    by UKVal 6/1/2011 1:30:06 AM

  • @Edano wierd...
    by UKVal 6/1/2011 1:30:24 AM

  • hang on a minute.. what about 2 & £ & Dainii & do I really believe anytthing TEPCO says? Nightmares . Presumably that report was TEPCO taking the pafter the government insisted they do a seismic evaluation...
    by UKVal 6/1/2011 1:32:04 AM

  • @elainekirk That's the air isotope concentration limit. Multiply it by a million to get becquerels per cubic meters. The limit for I-131 is 1000 Bq per cubic meter. Seems awfully high. Statutory density is just the density limit for that isotope.
    by Bobby1 6/1/2011 1:32:58 AM

  • my typing's getting worse £=3, pafter = p. after... definitely bedtime I'm really sleepy..
    by UKVal 6/1/2011 1:33:06 AM

  • @ukval sleep well
    by elainekirk 6/1/2011 1:34:32 AM

  • numbers slowly climbing so all under control eh www.tepco.co.jp
    by elainekirk 6/1/2011 1:35:16 AM

  • Oh looky their readings 90minutes ago ooo I am having fun
    www.tepco.co.jp
    by elainekirk 6/1/2011 1:38:56 AM

  • @All - ? is weather the only factor the TBS/JNN live cam's unviewable as well as no audio ?
    by Salu 6/1/2011 1:39:07 AM

  • Ok hot mail working again email sent for @UKval. I also added my sisters and mum and dad with thier permission of course! .
    by Angie 6/1/2011 1:44:53 AM

  • @angie good to know you back I am heading for my bed :)
    by elainekirk 6/1/2011 1:46:28 AM

  • Scientists estimate that in the first 30 days after the accident on 11 March, trees, birds and forest-dwelling mammals were exposed to daily doses up to 100 times greater – and fish and marine algae to doses several thousand times greater - than are generally considered safe. Published online 27 May 2011 Nature News www.nature.com
    by Tenzing 6/1/2011 1:46:47 AM

  • @elainekirk Ok honey night!!!
    by Angie 6/1/2011 1:46:49 AM

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