Japan Earthquake

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Cooling system operating at No. 2 reactor www3.nhk.or.jp "The pool's temperature is around 70 degrees Celsius, apparently producing steam that has filled the building and resulted in a humidity level of 99.9 percent."
by Markfm 5/31/2011 7:54:51 PM

Great place to grow orchids.
by Markfm 5/31/2011 7:55:14 PM

Oxygen cylinder bursts near No. 4 reactor www3.nhk.or.jp
by Markfm 5/31/2011 7:56:22 PM

Fukushima cleanup could cost up to $250 billion www3.nhk.or.jp
by Markfm 5/31/2011 7:57:30 PM

That oxygen cylinder bothers me didnt we think early on that there may have been soldering etc equipment inside number 4 that may have contributed to the explosion , the shroud etc were being replaced were they not ?
by elainekirk 5/31/2011 7:58:58 PM

Correct.
by Markfm 5/31/2011 8:00:39 PM

I know equipment was washed away but surely there was some kind of inventory they could have used and gone on the assumption that until shown otherwise equipment was still onsite because that blast could have caused much harm to the workers
by elainekirk 5/31/2011 8:03:30 PM

@elainekirk Yes, fitter suggested welding tanks could be in the building as part of the ongoing shroud replacement on 4. We have documentation somewhere about 4 having that done at the time. Did they say how the tank exploded yet?
by Nancy 5/31/2011 8:12:23 PM

Damage by unmanned machinery.
by Markfm 5/31/2011 8:14:02 PM

@elainekirk Yesterday was a federal holiday in the states so I assumed that was why few people were around yesterday. I'm guessing people may be in recovery mode or not in their office today in the states.
by Nancy 5/31/2011 8:14:47 PM

@Nancy "The Claw" got it www.reuters.com
by RBeaner 5/31/2011 8:17:17 PM

Hi elainekirk, please try not to personalize this, its simply my opinion and not directed at you - okay :) i've noticed the lack of fire around here for quite awhile now as well. in my opinion many valuable contributers no longer participate with this scribble board due to the censorship that's leaked into this community. What some may consider - cleaning up the boards - may be viewed by others as censorship. I had hoped for a community that would embrace diversity and honor the fine line or dance if you will, between credible and alternative sources of information. so often we become our suppressor's . . . i'm not pointing a finger at anyone and i humbly acknowledge my imperfections, what i'm asking is this (myself first) if i compare the level of passion and humanity expressed by this community for say the past 30 days with the previous 30, well its apples and oranges. Moderator: this is in response to Very quiet tonight are people starting to feel impotent there used to be such fire on here by elainekirk at 12:46 PM if you choose to delete or edit my response as in this post in order to - clean up the boards - or because - this is the tech board - in my opinion you will have censored my participation as a member.
by Tenzing 5/31/2011 8:17:32 PM

@Tenzing - right on!
by Maureen Burke 5/31/2011 8:20:55 PM

@RBeaner I wondered if something munched it. They are still trying to get the supports under the SFP.
by Nancy 5/31/2011 8:23:12 PM

@Tenzing -I agree, gets really sickening to see the amount of editing and cleaning that the unmoderated board has been getting lately. Thought police are out in force. Seems like the apologists like to pretend they care but are really after the power that comes with being a moderator...IMHO.
by Lethbridgean 5/31/2011 8:25:58 PM

Guidelines set for rumor damage compensation

A government panel reviewing compensation for the Fukushima Daiichi nuclear plant accident has set guidelines on payments for so-called rumor-induced damages and mental suffering of evacuees.

According to a directive hammered out on Tuesday, farming, fishing and tourist industry claimants are eligible to be compensated in cases where radiation rumors are confirmed to have caused loss of business income.

Rumor-induced damages are defined as losses incurred due to consumers not buying goods and services, or clients canceling transactions, whether due to rumor-based fears or to avoid real risk. This is because the difference between the two reasons is difficult to determine.

The guidelines say all edible farm and marine products from areas where shipments have been banned could be covered by compensation.

Loss of income from reduced trade and price drops, as well as fees for radiation checks demanded by the purchaser, could be counted as damage.

For tourism, the guidelines say only businesses based in Fukushima Prefecture are eligible for compensation over canceled reservations. But the panel has yet to determine how to calculate the amount of payments.

Guidelines for other industries and regions will be set after further analysis.

The panel also says evacuees forced to spend long periods outside their homes may be compensated for mental suffering.

It had initially agreed to divide damages into 4 stages depending on where the evacuees were placed. But it backtracked after local governments complained of unfairness.

In April, the panel filed damages guidelines for people who were forced to evacuate by government order from around the Fukushima Daiichi nuclear plant.

Tuesday, May 31, 2011 19:39 +0900 (JST)
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by Edano 5/31/2011 8:27:35 PM

@Tenzing Personally, I find this scribble to be a lot more focused and factual than it was 1 month or a couple of months ago. The lack of fire brought more clarity to the information here shared and the discussions on news of a more technical nature has become more clear and understandable. I don't feel the moderation has done anything on the negative side; I actually believe it has improved the quality of the information and debate here available.
by Pedro Jesus 5/31/2011 8:27:49 PM

i suggest any further response to the question of censorship be discussed on the - Think you can help Scribble Board www.scribblelive.com i'll be there . . .
by Tenzing 5/31/2011 8:28:07 PM

High levels of strontium detected at Fukushima

The operator of the Fukushima Daiichi nuclear power plant says it has detected high levels of a radioactive substance that tends to accumulate in human bones.

Tokyo Electric Power Company says it took soil samples on May 9th at 3 locations about 500 meters from the No.1 and No.2 reactors and analyzed them.

The utility detected up to 480 becquerels of radioactive strontium 90 per kilogram of soil. That's about 100 times higher than the maximum reading recorded in Fukushima Prefecture following atmospheric nuclear tests carried out by foreign countries during the Cold War era.

TEPCO reported detecting 2,800 becquerels of strontium 89 per kilogram of soil at the same location.

This is the second time since April that radioactive strontium has been found inside the plant compound.

The substance was also detected in soil and plants more than 30 kilometers from the Fukushima nuclear power station in March.

When people inhale radioactive strontium, it accumulates in bones. Scientists say that strontium could cause cancer.

Tokyo Electric Power says it believes that radioactive strontium was released from the damaged plant and it will continue to monitor radiation levels.

An expert on radioactive substances says he thinks radioactive strontium may continue to be detected around the Fukushima Daiichi nuclear plant. But he says the strontium levels that might be detected in soil will be far lower than those of the radioactive cesium released in the accident by a factor of several thousand.

Yoshihiro Ikeuchi of the Japan Chemical Analysis Center says strontium tends to accumulate in bones, like calcium. But he also says its levels in the air are thought to be lower than those for soil and even if people inhale the substance, no health problems will be caused by such internal exposure to radiation.

Wednesday, June 01, 2011 02:59 +0900 (JST)
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by Edano 5/31/2011 8:30:04 PM

Has anyone heard from Mona lately? She was talking about doing a facebook page for the group. I need to find out if she decided to or not etc.
by Nancy 5/31/2011 8:30:52 PM

I'm for quality of information and debate as well. Moderation is necessary.
by jt 5/31/2011 8:31:11 PM

@nancy I havent seen her since our yesterday
by elainekirk 5/31/2011 8:32:35 PM

Government tells TEPCO to test more workers

The Japanese government has instructed the operator of the crippled Fukushima Daiichi nuclear plant to immediately test more workers for possible internal exposure to radiation.

This comes after high levels of radioactive substances were found in the bodies of two workers. Their total exposure may have exceeded the safety limit of 250 millisieverts, which has been established as the ceiling amount for emergencies.

The two men worked in the control rooms of the No.3 and 4 reactors at the plant. They reportedly said that they were not wearing protective masks when a hydrogen explosion occurred on March 12th.

The labor ministry instructed the Tokyo Electric Power Company to test several tens of workers who were also in the control rooms.

The ministry says these workers may have inhaled high levels of radioactive substances.

A series of worker safety problems at the Fukushima Daiichi plant has recently come to light. Some workers were found to have been engaged in their jobs without carrying dosimeters, and two female TEPCO employees were exposed to high levels of radiation which exceeded the safety limit.

On Monday the government told the power company and its subcontractors to take thorough measures to ensure the safety of their workers.

Tuesday, May 31, 2011 14:42 +0900 (JST)
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by Edano 5/31/2011 8:33:29 PM

@Edano Really? Stronium does no harm? Where did that guy get his info?
by Nancy 5/31/2011 8:33:33 PM

@Nancy : only rumors do harm.
by Edano 5/31/2011 8:34:40 PM

Rain increases radioactive water at nuke plant

Heavy rain has increased the volume of highly radioactive water building up inside the disaster-hit Fukushima Daiichi nuclear plant.

Contaminated water already floods the basements of the turbine and reactor buildings, partly due to water injections to cool down the reactor cores.

Tokyo Electric Power Company, or TEPCO, now says water levels rose faster on Monday as rain poured inside the badly damaged buildings.

In the basement of the No.1 reactor building, radioactive water rose by 37.6 centimeters during the 24 hours through Tuesday morning.

At the No.2 reactor, the level of water rose by 8.6 centimeters in an underground tunnel extending from the building.

The water in the tunnel's shaft is now only about 39 centimeters below ground level. The utility is speeding up work to seal the opening.

TEPCO is planning to decontaminate and recycle the radioactive water as coolant for the reactors. But the system won't be in place until July at the earliest.

In the meantime, the utility is studying steps to prevent rainwater from seeping in. It will also consider new storage sites to which the contaminated water can be quickly transferred as the rainy season approaches.

Tuesday, May 31, 2011 12:32 +0900 (JST)
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by Edano 5/31/2011 8:35:52 PM

@Edano Yea that's it, your crop is contaminated with rumors! Sheesh. At least there is some movement towards compensating some of the farmers.
by Nancy 5/31/2011 8:37:14 PM

something is bugging me this asahi article speaks of an iaea draft report but I can find it nowhere translate.google.com
by elainekirk 5/31/2011 8:37:21 PM

tomorrow i will begin to plot the rumors in the reactors.
by Edano 5/31/2011 8:38:18 PM

if tepco have been told to test more then the two picked up were out of how many tested ? it could have been very few
by elainekirk 5/31/2011 8:38:40 PM

It might be a translation oddity. This is from the IAEA FB page, sounds like they are starting to write it. "The IAEA's Fact-Finding Mission in Japan has begun drafting its report on lessons that can be learned from the Japanese nuclear accident. The report is being prepared in advance of the Ministerial Conference on Nuclear Safety at IAEA headquarters in Vienna on 20 to 24 June.

The team's international experts from 12 nations visited three Japanese nuclear power facilities, including the Fukushima Daiichi plant, the site of the nuclear accident on 27 May 2011. Since that visit, team members have held extensive technical discussions with Japanese officials from a variety of nuclear-related agencies."
by Nancy 5/31/2011 8:39:30 PM

@Edano LOL
by Nancy 5/31/2011 8:39:44 PM

first i have to find the rumor reading data on tepco's website .....
by Edano 5/31/2011 8:40:26 PM

@elainekirk are you referring to the internal radioactivity of 2 workers?
by RBeaner 5/31/2011 8:41:53 PM

Re: the supposed "lack of fire," this is a marathon, not a sprint. Some people were sprinting; they've fallen back in the pack for now. TEPCO wants you to get tired; they also want to see you start in-fighting over trivia. Don't do it.
by bojack54 5/31/2011 8:44:56 PM

@bojack54 just like politics and war, divide and conquer.
by Nancy 5/31/2011 8:47:50 PM

@Edano tomorrow i will begin to plot the rumors in the reactors. HAAHAAAA!!!!!
by Panserbjorne9 5/31/2011 8:51:36 PM

@MarkFM,Nancy, ElaineKirk ??? METI stats on above, will not open into a PDF ?? Can you check ?

by wtm 5/31/2011 8:54:13 PM

Thats for the "PLant Parameters", TY
by wtm 5/31/2011 8:55:05 PM

well, i always understood this site as an instrument to archive developments and discuss consequences. it is very valuable to record data, news and opinions to prevent any cover-ups. furthermore this is a source of information for japanese and the rest of the world. we should not complain the absence of sensational events, this is a long-term desaster and the poison is slowly but unstoppable leaking out of fukushima in the next ten years. we are here to report, dig and conclude. this work is far from done.
by Edano 5/31/2011 8:57:11 PM

@rbeaner yes @nancy ah you are right ! it was confusing me
by elainekirk 5/31/2011 8:58:01 PM

interesting theory. Fukushima Explosion Explanation More TEPCO BS?
www.rense.com
by Panserbjorne9 5/31/2011 8:58:14 PM

Hey all...just saw a possum walking on top of the metal structure directly under Tepco cam...poor little guy/gal!!
by LM 5/31/2011 8:59:19 PM

sorry @bojack @all my use of fire meant entirely different to how it has been taken I meant it as 'alive' 'buzzing', as it is now, and not a 'challenging ' sorry I will remember that words have different meanings in future apologies
by elainekirk 5/31/2011 9:01:53 PM

@wtm It won't automatically open in a new window, it makes you download the PDF to view it. I was able to get it to work but had to download it.
by Nancy 5/31/2011 9:02:31 PM