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@Nancy Someone, maybe you or elaine, made a facetious comment earlier about sending them 1000 cases of Brita filters, I didn't laugh. That is the Kind of thinking that would make progress on their problems.
by RBeaner 6/1/2011 1:04:34 PM

there isn't an English version I can find but this translate
translate.google.com
tells how arsenic and other poisons have washed onto land from the seabed where they were deposited by run off from the numerous mines that used to operate in the area and the implications for groundwater and the drinking water supplies so if is accepted that that is getting into the water surely common sense should tell them the rest?
by elainekirk 6/1/2011 1:05:45 PM

@RBeaner That was me. Something lame and low tech would be better than what they are currently doing, nothing. I got the impression Areva was putting no rush on the job. They supposedly already had this technology but just needed to fabricate it. It seems they have done nothing to try to speed up the process.
by Nancy 6/1/2011 1:06:29 PM

@elainekirk Mines in the area like tunnels and holes all over? ::facepalm::
by Nancy 6/1/2011 1:07:26 PM

@Nancy They have the General technology, The General systems are used all over the world. They have Specialized problems at Fuku, specifically extremely Hi rad and salt water. Areva does NOT want to screw this up, and in the media, become part of the problem. What if they built it, it got there and leaked? They would become the headline.
by RBeaner 6/1/2011 1:09:55 PM

the most important thing they need is not yet available: rumor filters.
by Edano 6/1/2011 1:10:21 PM

I found historical references a few weeks ago but couldnt find and maps I will go look again
by elainekirk 6/1/2011 1:10:26 PM

@edano I love you :)
by elainekirk 6/1/2011 1:10:51 PM

@RBeaner Again PR is put ahead of people and the environment. I wish the workers would just rig some crude filtration where they have uncontrolled leaking like the intakes. Something more than just zeolite.
by Nancy 6/1/2011 1:12:46 PM

@Edano That is a TEPCO and GOJ PR problem. Contamination of food, air and water isn't a rumour, it's a fact. The dispute , that should be fully aired in front of the public, is the relative hazard and risk associated with that radioactivity or radiation level.
by RBeaner 6/1/2011 1:14:50 PM

www.gruenekornwestheim.de rumor filters
by Edano via Gruenekornwestheim.de 6/1/2011 1:15:26 PM

@Nancy The Zeolite removes Cesium. They will pump seawater (relatively highly contaminated) into those tanks filled with zeolite. I would guess that the level of cs coming out will be 1/1000 of that going in. That is cheap and easy progress.
by RBeaner 6/1/2011 1:17:54 PM

@RBeaner : and what do they do with the zeolithe afterwards ? do you think they know magic ?
by Edano 6/1/2011 1:19:35 PM

you cannot remove radioactivity with zeolithe. bs.
by Edano 6/1/2011 1:20:16 PM

@Edano It becomes "consolidated" or "concentrated" nuclear waste and can be disposed of properly, not into the ocean, as is the current case.
by RBeaner 6/1/2011 1:20:59 PM

@RBeaner and i believe in santa claus.
by Edano 6/1/2011 1:21:24 PM

@Edano I don't, but that is ok. If it can reduce the level of radioactivity, then I'm all for it! If it can't, then try normal water (radioactive liquid) processing systems.
by RBeaner 6/1/2011 1:24:38 PM

@Edano before this accident, I had never heard of zeolite., But every nuke plant in the world have systems for removing radioactivity from water. Salt-water is a major complication, but significant reduction of radioactivity levels is easy. Not necessarily to pre disaster standards, but a huge reduction in radioactivity concentration.
by RBeaner 6/1/2011 1:28:44 PM

@rbeaner it couldnt filter continuously they have dumped cages of it in the ocean in some warped PR exercise they must know it will do nothing water follows the easiest course and they have seen how easily it makes its way out of the smallest aperture my 13yr old could teach them more than they know and I am not being facetious
by elainekirk 6/1/2011 1:30:15 PM

@elainekirk I thought dumping bags in the ocean was stupid. But here they are pumping the water through a tank of "filtering agent". You can measure what goes in (concentration) and what goes out. The tank of filter will become HI Rad, it is a concentrater. That means it is doing its job. Then you move to the next tank. No big deal.
by RBeaner 6/1/2011 1:34:20 PM

earthquake.usgs.gov Magnitude 6.4 - OFFSHORE BIO-BIO, CHILE
2011 June 01 12:55:21 UTC
by Maureen Burke 6/1/2011 1:36:01 PM

@RBeaner what other things can be used to pull the contamination out of water?
by Nancy 6/1/2011 1:39:09 PM

@Nancy The same stuff you use at home, brita, reverse osmosis, water sofenters etc. Those are all filters. With the levels they are dealing with, any filtering is good. The easier and cheaper (meaning commonly available) the better. As far as materials "absorbing" radioactivity (like they are claiming zeolite does), I don't know. But filtering the stuff is easy.
by RBeaner 6/1/2011 1:45:50 PM

@Nancy I know it sounds simplistic (it is), but if you pumped that 1,000 mSv/hr water through a backyard pool pump, the water coming out would probably be less than 100 mSv (probably IMO < 10 mSv). The problem is that filter would probably work for < 1 hr and it would have radiation readings of several Sv/hr near it, so it would require replacement often. The idea is progress, move forward.
by RBeaner 6/1/2011 1:50:36 PM

@RBeaner The steel containers they are using seem like an ideal method since they could at least then have a solid piece of waste. It sounds like with whatever they use they are going to have highly radioactive waste.
I still have a picture in my head of TEPCO worker in rad suits down on the dock running water through plastic Brita pitchers. :-)
by Nancy 6/1/2011 1:55:05 PM

@Nancy yeah. The idea is to concentrate and dispose of properly. The radioactivity is not "going away". It is physical stuff. Not directed to you, but, When I vacumm the house, I am concentrating the dirt/dust so I can dispose of it properly. Filtering and decontamination is the same thing. No big mystery, secret or magic.
by RBeaner 6/1/2011 2:01:57 PM

10,000 children flee Fukushima over nuke fears
www3.nhk.or.jp
by Maureen Burke 6/1/2011 2:13:52 PM

@Nancy About Zeolites: "Natural zeolites have superior selectivity for certain radionuclides (e.g., 90Sr, 137Cs 60Co, 45Ca, and 51Cr) compared with organoresins and are cheaper and much more resistant to nuclear degradation. Dozens of papers have demonstrated the ability of several natural zeolites to take up these and other radionuclides (44–47). " Cheap, plentiful (are they) effective. www.pnas.org I would like to see some samples of water going in and the resultant water coming out, that gives the filtration factor and will tell if we are just wasting our time with this. (I just realized my personalization of this crap, I said "if WE are just wasting OUR time). wow, I need to back off for a while.
by RBeaner 6/1/2011 2:15:13 PM

@maureen I have to go out can you or simplyinfo tweet me that link please so I can retweet
by elainekirk 6/1/2011 2:21:01 PM

@elainekirk- sure
by Maureen Burke 6/1/2011 2:22:36 PM

June 1, 2011, 7:15 PM JST Mental Health of Fukushima Daiichi Workers in Focus
Aside from the obvious fears of radiation exposure, workers at the Tokyo Electric Power Co.’s crippled Fukushima Daiichi nuclear complex are now battling another concern: the state of their mental health.
by Panserbjorne9 6/1/2011 2:23:07 PM

@elainekirk - I can send it to you or simplyinfo
by Maureen Burke 6/1/2011 2:23:19 PM

sorry. link blogs.wsj.com
by Panserbjorne9 6/1/2011 2:23:24 PM

@elainekirk The headline is Inaccurate, alot of those kids are gone because of the tsunami and earthquake. Their houses might be gone. I'm sure some of them are due to radiation fears, but I hate inaccuracy
by RBeaner 6/1/2011 2:23:37 PM

@Panserbjorne9 - I got a virus when I opened that yesterday.
by Maureen Burke 6/1/2011 2:23:55 PM

@Maureen Burke from WSJ?
by RBeaner 6/1/2011 2:24:31 PM

let me check
by Maureen Burke 6/1/2011 2:24:45 PM

@Maureen Burke My antivirus didn't detect anything.
by Pedro Jesus 6/1/2011 2:24:59 PM

Japan launches 'Super Cool Biz' to save energy
The Japanese government wants the country's suit-loving salarymen to be bold this summer. Ditch the stuffy jacket and tie. And for the good of the country, go light and casual.

Japan's "Super Cool Biz" campaign kicked off Wednesday with a government-sponsored fashion show featuring outfits appropriate for the office yet cool enough to endure the sweltering heat.
www.goerie.com
by Panserbjorne9 6/1/2011 2:25:13 PM

@Panserbjorne9 Nice piece of reading, the Wall Street Journal one. =)
by Pedro Jesus 6/1/2011 2:28:12 PM

@Panserbjorne9 Sounds like a good idea, they are facing some serious electrical shortages come summer. Course I think 'Super Cool Biz' is a good idea everywhere:)
by RBeaner 6/1/2011 2:29:06 PM

Here's something I haven't heard before. "We live with chronic radiation deficiency"
Japan Needs to Avoid Russia's Mistake on Chernobyl
TUCSON, Ariz., June 1, 2011 /PRNewswire-USNewswire/ -- Japan's already reeling economy could be crushed by over-reaction to the Fukushima disaster, warns radiation scientist T.D. Luckey in the summer 2011 issue of the Journal of American Physicians and Surgeons. www.prnewswire.com
by Panserbjorne9 6/1/2011 2:29:21 PM

It was probably removed. Like I said, Pedro, it was from yesterday.
by Maureen Burke 6/1/2011 2:29:54 PM

@Maureen Burke Eep. Well, sorry about that. :(
by Panserbjorne9 6/1/2011 2:30:19 PM

French research institute finds high radioactivity ...A French independent radioactivity watchdog has found radiation in Fukushima Prefecture 60 times higher than the annual reference level for ordinary people recommended by an international commission. www3.nhk.or.jp
by jt 6/1/2011 2:34:41 PM