Japan Earthquake

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lol @ lilly.. in the early days they exclusively used Co2 for areas like that and if a person was in there they would very likely die... then as time went on halon was discovered and now is used extensively for panels and electrical rooms... usually inside the switchgear... they also have the water backup system in case the halon doesn't trip or work ..
by Dean 6/10/2011 1:13:19 AM

Cabinet to OK bill Tuesday to aid compensation for nuclear disaster
www.japantoday.com
"TOKYO — The cabinet is expected to approve on Tuesday a bill to help Tokyo Electric Power Co meet its massive compensation payments through measures such as injecting money into the utility in the wake of the ongoing nuclear crisis at the Fukushima Daiichi plant, government sources said Thursday.
The government has decided to submit the bill during the current Diet session, which will end June 22 unless extended, to speed up the process for provisional payments to people affected by the nation’s worst nuclear plant disaster, the sources said.

Under the bill, the government will create a new institution to aid TEPCO in ensuring the swift payment of compensation that may total trillions of yen and allocate to the institution a type of bond that can be cashed when necessary, and give state guarantees on loans provided by financial institutions to the entity.
Japan’s electricity firms that own nuclear power plants will also make contributions to the entity. To avoid TEPCO from being crushed by debt in case the amount of compensation swells, the government will inject funds through the institution."
by Reed 6/10/2011 1:16:10 AM

@lillymunster Thanks for the info. Yikes! ....sorry it took me so long to respond..feeding my teenage horde!
by LM 6/10/2011 1:19:33 AM

@lillymunster I've seen steam/smoke coming from 1, 2, 3 and 4 at various times today as well.
by LM 6/10/2011 1:21:40 AM

G'night all I must sleep :)
by elainekirk 6/10/2011 1:22:20 AM

nite Elaine!
by lillymunster 6/10/2011 1:22:57 AM

Nite Elaine!
by LM 6/10/2011 1:23:13 AM

rest well elaine
by Dean 6/10/2011 1:23:17 AM

Night Elaine!
by Angie 6/10/2011 1:23:30 AM

Unsigned treaties up Japan's nuke suit risk
search.japantimes.co.jp
by Reed 6/10/2011 1:26:37 AM

"Because Japan has not signed any of them, Tokyo Electric Power Co. and the nation itself are potentially liable to pay an unlimited amount in damages from atmospheric and oceanic radiation leaking from the Fukushima No. 1 plant if, for example, fishermen in Russia and China file lawsuits in district courts of their countries.

Nobody outside Japan has yet filed lawsuits in their countries demanding compensation from Tepco or Japan, according to the Foreign Ministry."
search.japantimes.co.jp
by Reed 6/10/2011 1:28:29 AM

@Edano 1.bp.blogspot.com
by quaker via 1.bp.blogspot 6/10/2011 1:28:31 AM

@Edano 3.bp.blogspot.com
by quaker via 3.bp.blogspot 6/10/2011 1:29:51 AM

@quaker whooohoo, very nice analisis ! ty !
by Edano 6/10/2011 1:30:55 AM

@quaker what's the link, please ?
by Edano 6/10/2011 1:32:32 AM

@Edano pissinontheroses.blogspot.com
by quaker 6/10/2011 1:33:37 AM

Widen evacuation zone for children, pregnant women: Greenpeace chief
search.japantimes.co.jp
"Naidoo's team of radiology experts found hot spots that had a maximum hourly reading of 45 microsieverts of radiation alongside a school zone.
"Enough lives have been lost already" due to the March 11 earthquake and tsunami, and it is not justifiable for the government to neglect the health risks of high radiation in Fukushima, he told reporters at the Foreign Correspondents' Club of Japan."
by Reed 6/10/2011 1:34:47 AM

@Reed I wish they would just do it already. They have been talking about it for weeks.
by lillymunster 6/10/2011 1:37:27 AM

so we will see a >7 within the next 3 months.
by Edano 6/10/2011 1:37:28 AM

3.bp.blogspot.com and this one
by Edano via 3.bp.blogspot 6/10/2011 1:37:53 AM

1.bp.blogspot.com amazing how the curve fits.
by Edano via 1.bp.blogspot 6/10/2011 1:39:32 AM

@Edano, given limited information it would be the most prudent event horizon to use when setting milestones / schedules for recovery
by quaker 6/10/2011 1:40:02 AM

@quaker true.
by Edano 6/10/2011 1:40:52 AM

U.S. study called quake concerns over Fukushima-type containment 'negligible' mdn.mainichi.jp
by Reed 6/10/2011 1:42:28 AM

hi @ Reed and quaker
by Dean 6/10/2011 1:43:04 AM

Stupid question since I don't follow EQ info very much. Do earthquakes go in a steady increase like that? I thought they rose and fell?
by lillymunster 6/10/2011 1:43:19 AM

A documentary about organic farmers facing Japan's nuclear crisis
by Junko Kajino and Ed M. Koziarski
We landed in Japan on 5/24 to and spent our first three days in Tokyo. There we interviewed representatives of Greenpeace who've engaged in independent testing of land and sea contamination. They argue that Japanese authorities have underreported radiation levels, due to some combination of flawed testing methods and an effort to minimize compensation claims, thus jeopardizing the public, particularly children, who are most vulnerable to radiation. Readings are commonly taken a meter high, which doesn't register alpha and beta radiation emitting from the ground, and doesn't account for children's exposure to breathed and swallowed dirt. www.youtube.com
by Panserbjorne9 6/10/2011 1:43:37 AM

@lillymunster : "The analysis was run out to 1644 days (4.5 years) because the historical data from Japan indicates that the largest aftershock will occur within 4.5 years; that aftershock would be expected to be in the 8.0 magnitude range."

impressing analisis, really.
by Edano 6/10/2011 1:44:37 AM

earthquake.usgs.gov
by Dean 6/10/2011 1:46:37 AM

POINT OF VIEW/ Satoshi Hamano: Disaster shows not everyone buys into Internet rumors www.asahi.com
by Panserbjorne9 6/10/2011 1:46:48 AM

@Edano I thought the 9.0 was considered the peak of the eq's and would have gradually lower aftershocks with varied peaks within?
by lillymunster 6/10/2011 1:47:01 AM

significant correlations. we have to control the projections.
by Edano 6/10/2011 1:47:16 AM

@Dean Hi Dean.
There seems to be a continuing belief that the corium is burning its way through the basemat concrete, and that it will breech the final containment.
Do you think that this is a likely senario ?
by Reed 6/10/2011 1:47:35 AM

Magnitude: Bigger earthquakes have more and larger aftershocks. The bigger the main shock the bigger the largest aftershock will be, on average. The difference in magnitude between the main shock and largest aftershock ranges from 0.1 to 3 or more, but averages 1.2 (a M5.5 aftershock to a M6.7 main shock for example). There are more small aftershocks than large ones. Aftershocks of all magnitudes decrease at the same rate, but because the large aftershocks are already less frequent, the decay can be noticed more quickly. Large aftershocks can occur months or even years after the main shock.
by Dean 6/10/2011 1:48:01 AM

@lillymunster : yes, but still there can be bigger shocks awaited.
by Edano 6/10/2011 1:48:49 AM

@Reed I believe that as long as the corium remains in the central area beneath the reactor vessel that it should not pass completely through the concrete
by Dean 6/10/2011 1:49:40 AM

@Dean Agreed. Thank you.
by Reed 6/10/2011 1:50:06 AM

I have a theory tho.. if the corium burns through to the heavy rebars and begins to heat them ... further deterioration of the concrete may accelerate ... not sure what that would do
by Dean 6/10/2011 1:50:58 AM

if that write up on aftershocks is correct.. a 9.0 should produce a 7.8 aftersock
by Dean 6/10/2011 1:52:18 AM

@Dean I was wondering about the rebar and how that might heat up if in contact with the Corium, thereby weakening the concrete
by Panserbjorne9 6/10/2011 1:52:29 AM

exactly like Edano said..
by Dean 6/10/2011 1:52:56 AM

i wonder if they are well prepared for a >7 eq. (with tsunami)
by Edano 6/10/2011 1:53:39 AM

@Edano Japan in general or at Fukushima?
by lillymunster 6/10/2011 1:54:08 AM

@lillymunster Fuku, aftershocks in that same region.
by Edano edited by Edano 6/10/2011 1:54:40 AM

Panser.. hi... I was just thinking of that.. if you look at the rebar shell or framework in the construction it's huge and very dense which would heat and then want to expand and stress the concrete. concrete does very good under compressive stresses but very poorly under tensile stresses. .
by Dean 6/10/2011 1:54:43 AM