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Put a large copy of the photo on the group website
by lillymunster 8/2/2011 3:11:56 PM

@lillymunster , perhaps this is done to ensure that the particles stay down there.
by Peter Melzer 8/2/2011 3:14:59 PM

@lillymunster Corroborate this for me, but when you pull up that worker photo, with the 3m magicradiationprotectorstick, that fuzzy section in the middle looks like it has been blurred intentionally, though I can't quite figure why. Blow it up and look at the pixel and aliasing patterns.
by RadioGuy 8/2/2011 3:34:55 PM

Of course it could be condensation or a smear on the lens too, knowing what it's been like there.
by RadioGuy 8/2/2011 3:36:09 PM

We know there's a bit of water on the site... ;)
by RadioGuy 8/2/2011 3:38:04 PM

...but it made me think about how contaminated all of it is, potentially. The stuff doesn't stay in one place. It runs along hills, and evaporates into the eair, and condenses out on other stuff as the temps fall.
by RadioGuy 8/2/2011 3:39:03 PM

Anyone know how much Cs-137 would be carried along during evaporation?
by RadioGuy 8/2/2011 3:41:54 PM

worker looks blurred but could be on the lens
by lillymunster 8/2/2011 3:43:39 PM

crisp descenders on the arm, large but linear pixelation kine on the stick till it gets to his hand. Look at the definition of his suit.
by RadioGuy 8/2/2011 3:44:41 PM

ground has a blurred area and the end of his stick looks odd
by lillymunster 8/2/2011 3:45:09 PM

The end of the stick aligns with the bend in the pipe in the background and the residue seems to stop clean right there.
by lillymunster 8/2/2011 3:46:10 PM

I guess water is easier since the only reason I can think of to smear that section of the picture would be to hide the fact that the detector was a type that reads higher than 10Sv/hr.
by RadioGuy 8/2/2011 3:46:27 PM

And apparently they don't make them, as Pedro Jesus pointed out earlier.
by RadioGuy 8/2/2011 3:48:50 PM

That sort of linear pixelation is what you expect on aliased straight lines, which is why the center of the other shot looks so odd.
by RadioGuy 8/2/2011 3:51:22 PM

Im leaning more towards they did a blur on the instrument
by lillymunster 8/2/2011 3:52:00 PM

Yes, the more I look at it, the less natural it looks. A water-drop would have cleaner edges, a smear wouldn't be so circular. But why?
by RadioGuy 8/2/2011 3:53:08 PM

This part has random pixel noise except in the area just right of the pipe
by lillymunster 8/2/2011 3:53:50 PM

sorry i was wrong. all the ventings happened before the explosions !
by Edano 8/2/2011 3:53:56 PM

@Edano I know mox fuel will vaporize easily as it over heats. Not sure if pure uranium does the same thing at meltdown. If it does it could explain the concentrations?
by lillymunster 8/2/2011 3:55:14 PM

@lillymunster the meltdown in #1 began at 18-20:00 on 3/11. enough time for uranium to leave the cladding and disperse in the explosion.
by Edano 8/2/2011 3:58:25 PM

@lillymunster , it could not be that the man was moving his arms ever so slightly.
by Peter Melzer 8/2/2011 4:02:33 PM

I asked Ian Goddard. He said the vent stack that burped steam before the reactor exploded was #3-4 stack before 3 blew up
by lillymunster 8/2/2011 4:04:29 PM

@Peter Melzer his torso and the background is also blurred
by lillymunster 8/2/2011 4:05:05 PM

blown up image. If you can't view in new window let me know and I can upload it to the web
by lillymunster 8/2/2011 4:06:35 PM

uranim oxide (UO2) melts at 2878 °C de.wikipedia.org
plutonium oxide (PuO2)melts at 2400 °C and boils at 2800 °C en.wikipedia.org
by Edano 8/2/2011 4:16:40 PM

Zirkalloy melts at 2550 °C and boils at 4409 °C de.wikipedia.org
by Edano 8/2/2011 4:17:01 PM

@lillymunster so, plutonium will kind of explode when the cladding melts.
by Edano 8/2/2011 4:20:01 PM

@all What is the solution? The fight? www.youtube.com
by RBeaner 8/2/2011 4:22:44 PM

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@lillymunster Really, it's a pasteup job, the shot before dressup was him playing a guitar.
by RadioGuy via I54.tinypic 8/2/2011 4:23:23 PM

@lillymunster , what would they gain by blurring this part of the pic deliberately? I noticed they blur out kanjis on people's suits at times, to protect or hide their identity I suppose.
by Peter Melzer 8/2/2011 4:24:09 PM

@Edano , there will be a good mix of things at the bottom of this stack. But, the readings probably stem from Cs isotopes.
by Peter Melzer 8/2/2011 4:26:07 PM

I stumbled across this looking for Mox vaporization info. There is a program to take plutonium down to Los Alamos, Turn it into MOX, ship it across the US to Canada and run it in some old run down reactors on the US border. W.T.F.

www.nirs.org
by lillymunster 8/2/2011 4:26:35 PM

.... and strontium. I always somehow neglect it.
by Peter Melzer 8/2/2011 4:26:40 PM

@Peter Melzer yes, i just looked up for lily some things...
by Edano 8/2/2011 4:27:05 PM

@lillymunster , the Canadians
will be really grateful!
by Peter Melzer 8/2/2011 4:27:23 PM

Tepco Reports Second Deadly Radiation Reading at Fukushima Plant. Tokyo Electric Power Co. reported its second deadly radiation reading in as many days at its wrecked Fukushima nuclear plant north of Tokyo.

The utility known as Tepco said yesterday it detected 5 sieverts of radiation per hour in the No. 1 reactor building. On Aug. 1 in another area it recorded radiation of 10 sieverts per hour, enough to kill a person “within a few weeks” after a single exposure, according to the World Nuclear Association. www.bloomberg.com
by Majj 8/2/2011 4:28:16 PM

@Peter Melzer Caesium or Strontium-90 as I pointed out earlier. I assume the radiation source in that piping is beta emitter so could be either or both because they have a half life of around 30 years. Iodine would have long dissipated.
by Pedro Jesus 8/2/2011 4:28:21 PM

@Peter Melzer Identity of workers is likely hidden. I was reading an article that even rescued animals can't be photographed without owners written permission. So it sounds like their idea of privacy is higher than the states. The only reason I can see to blur that is to block the detector details.
by lillymunster 8/2/2011 4:28:52 PM

@Peter Melzer Hiding the identity of the equipment would be one reason, but there's also the possibility the whole image was pasted up, and that was just a spot they had to blur to make it match.

btw... do you know the evaporation solubility of Cs?
by RadioGuy 8/2/2011 4:29:06 PM