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Sounds like there is equipment to do testing. It is not being used: "There are many institutions in Japan, such as Radioisotope Centers at national universities, which have germanium detectors and other state-of-the-art detectors. But how can we, as the nation, protect our children if these institutions’ hands are tied?"
by lillymunster 8/1/2011 7:05:15 PM

“personalized medicine” would be optimal of course but noone can afford it. it also means “personalized treatment” and “personalized drugs”. it is the dream of medicine, but there are some ten years to go. unfortunately.
by Edano 8/1/2011 7:10:47 PM

supposedly, there are some individuals who already take advantage of it today, some presidents or maybe even steve jobbs...
by Edano 8/1/2011 7:12:50 PM

I added the video and some parts of the transcript with a link on the group website. Shortlink wp.me
by lillymunster 8/1/2011 7:27:23 PM

... or berlusconi. he looks like a clone of himself.
by Edano 8/1/2011 7:29:59 PM

@Edano Sounds like a good opportunity to put more of the concept into practice. It sounds like they could learn lots while better treating patients.
by lillymunster 8/1/2011 7:47:08 PM

in a nuclear accident, there is a lot to study and learn in many fields, like in hieroshioma. but the benefits will not show before the next accident.
by Edano 8/1/2011 8:00:08 PM

we can also learn a lot when a bigger asteroid hits the earth....
by Edano 8/1/2011 8:01:00 PM

Tepco Says Highest Radiation Yet Is Detected at Fukushima Dai-Ichi. Tokyo Electric Power Co., operator of Japan’s crippled Fukushima Dai-Ichi nuclear plant, said it detected the highest radiation to date at the site.

Geiger counters, used to detect radioactivity, registered more than 10 sieverts an hour, the highest reading the devices are able to record, Junichi Matsumoto, a general manager at the utility, said today. The measurements were taken at the base of the main ventilation stack for reactors No. 1 and No. 2. .... Is my understanding that is that "the highest reading the devices are able to record, Junichi Matsumoto" min that they have a Minimum of 10 sieverts an hour there..... www.bloomberg.com
by Majj 8/1/2011 8:03:27 PM

@Edano not that this is a welcome situation but putting some extra funding into new or better technology to treat people seems like a positive and better than just doing testing and not helping people.
by lillymunster 8/1/2011 8:21:30 PM

@lillymunster i really fear that they only want to learn how to improve the cover-ups. chernobyl helped them a lot in this and they invented the iaea.
by Edano 8/1/2011 8:30:30 PM

@lillymunster , back for a bit, prevention is the first line of defense. They must get more organized with testing. Telling from the picture of the BGO detectors, a person must sit next to the detector, place a sample inside, wait, note or save the result, put the next sample in, and so on, .... Drives you crazy and does get you anywhere fast.
What they need is multisampling machines. I assume that is what the Professor meant. The government has not developed any in-depth strategy yet how to deal with the contamination problem.
by Peter Melzer 8/1/2011 8:31:40 PM

english.kyodonews.jp

@lillymunster @Peter Melzer : i grabbed out this jewel of info:

FEATURE: Fukushima people seek science savvy on skepticism of government

By Junko Horiuchi
FUKUSHIMA, Japan, Aug. 1, Kyodo

A radioactivity measurement station set up in the city of Fukushima by a civic group draws people who are skeptical about government data related to the nuclear plant crisis and keen to quickly know if food products they have are safe.

The station in the city, some 50 kilometers from the crippled Fukushima Daiichi nuclear power plant, offers a German measuring machine as part of projects ongoing in Fukushima aimed at helping people get scientific information of their own. english.kyodonews.jp
by Edano via English.kyodonews.jp 8/1/2011 8:34:01 PM

@Edano They need some sort of patients right law to go with all of this. That a patients tests and medical information can not be reused or shared without specific written permission every time. Also something that if a patient is tested they must be given the results of said test and some sort of unbiased clue what the test results mean.
by lillymunster 8/1/2011 8:34:34 PM

Radioactivity measuring station in Fukushima
Takenori Chiba (R), a resident of Fukushima Prefecture, hands a bag of shredded potatoes to a staff member at the Citizens' Radioactivity Measuring Station in the city of Fukushima on Aug. 1, 2011. Chiba came to the station as he was concerned about whether the vegetable was safe from radiation contamination in the wake of the crisis at the Fukushima Daiichi nuclear plant. (Kyodo) english.kyodonews.jp
by Edano 8/1/2011 8:36:02 PM

"the highest reading the devices are able to record, " min that they have a Minimum of 10 sieverts an hour there, not maximum
by Majj 8/1/2011 8:37:12 PM

@lillymunster I think there may be a human rights violation in the children from the dosimeter angle but need to check Japans relationship with the HR and see what they signed up to countries put many exemptions in like the UK said they would still send under 18s to war
by elainekirk 8/1/2011 8:38:36 PM

the mashine is from CRIIRAD : www.criirad.org
by Edano 8/1/2011 8:38:47 PM

@elainekirk Good point there are likely some international medical experimentation laws that could apply in Japan. There was some ongoing debate in the US over patients having ownership of their cells etc. and not allowing a company to use specimens for anything without specific consent.
by lillymunster 8/1/2011 8:40:42 PM

@lilly, that is the one that this group i1214.photobucket.com subscribed to as well. It looks like a fine instrument. But work with it will be exceedingly slow and manual. By contrast, you load a multisample counter and can do something else, while it does the counting for you.
by Peter Melzer via I1214.photobucket 8/1/2011 8:41:42 PM

measuring samples up to 15000 bq/kg www.criirad.org
by Edano via Criirad.org 8/1/2011 8:45:16 PM

@Peter Melzer how much does a multisample counter cost?
by lillymunster 8/1/2011 8:47:05 PM

@Edano that is Ibaraki readings?!?!
by elainekirk 8/1/2011 8:47:25 PM

@elainekirk spinach from ibaraki
by Edano 8/1/2011 8:48:21 PM

I do not doubt that people who develop cancer in Japan will be treated. I have got no idea how good oncology there is, though. Right now, the emphasis should be on moving people out of harms way.
by Peter Melzer 8/1/2011 8:48:59 PM

@lillymunster is there a way of helping get trained councillors into any testing centres that are established I fear they are going to be needed to help people cope with results?
by elainekirk 8/1/2011 8:49:24 PM

@lillymunster , today probably in the order of 50 grant.
by Peter Melzer 8/1/2011 8:49:50 PM

@Peter Melzer : japan has a very high cancer rate, if i remember it well, the highest in the world.
by Edano 8/1/2011 8:50:00 PM

@Edano , then Japanese medicine must be experienced in treating them.
by Peter Melzer 8/1/2011 8:53:25 PM

@Peter Melzer that is about what this monastery is looking for to buy testing equipment johukuji.nanaoarchive.com

by lillymunster 8/1/2011 8:53:36 PM

@Edano is that attributed to something specific?
by lillymunster 8/1/2011 8:53:58 PM

@lillymunster : the bombs ???
by Edano 8/1/2011 8:54:58 PM

@Edano That is what I was wondering if it was related to the bombings or given an "unknown" cause.
by lillymunster 8/1/2011 8:56:38 PM

i mean, this is the second and third generation after the bombs. i will see if i get some info about it. could be interesting.
by Edano 8/1/2011 8:56:53 PM

@lilly, here is an example of what I am thinking of: www.gmi-inc.com
by Peter Melzer 8/1/2011 8:57:11 PM

@Peter Melzer So who has a really high limit on their credit card. :-) We could send it to Japan. There is even an address. :-p
by lillymunster 8/1/2011 9:01:07 PM

One in every three people dies of cancer

For several years after World War II, between 50,000 and 60,000 people in Japan died from cancer every year. Since then, the number of cancer deaths has increased steadily and became the top cause of death, surpassing strokes, in 1981. .... www.jcancer.jp Japan Cancer Society www.jcancer.jp
by Edano via Jcancer.jp 8/1/2011 9:04:47 PM

by Edano via Jcancer.jp 8/1/2011 9:04:57 PM

@Edano how does that compare to a.n.other country?
by elainekirk 8/1/2011 9:10:03 PM

upload.wikimedia.org
#1 : heart and circulation 38%-47%
#2 : cancer 22-29%
that is quite a remarkable difference.
by Edano via Upload.wikimedia.org 8/1/2011 9:13:04 PM

by Edano via Becel.at 8/1/2011 9:15:15 PM

@lillymunster , even if we could, as the Prof. pointed out, they need to train people how to use them.
by Peter Melzer 8/1/2011 9:16:51 PM

@Peter Melzer and have instructions or manuals everyone can read.
by lillymunster 8/1/2011 9:17:25 PM

@Peter Melzer I wonder if CIIRAD has enough people willing to go help set up new labs?
by lillymunster 8/1/2011 9:17:48 PM

I am sure those health statistics would be even more drastic if you grabbed the same for the US. We have too many people with a cheeseburger lodged in their arteries.
by lillymunster 8/1/2011 9:19:17 PM