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@RBeaner Anyway, he sounds like a perfectly competent researcher to catalog the aftermath of this, so hopefully he does an exceptional job at his task, but as @lillymunster said, he has no place being a spokesperson about public health at this point in time. He is not what is needed on the public stage.
by RadioGuy 8/21/2011 7:43:27 PM

@RBeaner Since you seem to have a hard time comprehending this I will type realllly slow. :-P He is not a medical doctor. He has no public health experience. He is not qualified for this project he is in charge of. End of story.
by lillymunster 8/21/2011 7:43:54 PM

His very presence made a callous and seemingly out-of-touch GoJ seem even more so.
by RadioGuy 8/21/2011 7:45:41 PM

@lillymunster Do you believe that ionizing radiation is a common health malady and that lots of dr's would be around to assess it when you bring your child in for the flu or a regular booster shot? There are NO MD's who are knowledable on the general health effects of radiation exposure. It is the realm of researchers and epidemiologists and statisticians.
by RBeaner 8/21/2011 7:48:26 PM

@RBeaner People need body counts and doctor referrals if needed. The body count give them an honest number it also gives them evidence for potential future lawsuits for damage. Tokyo has a radio-medicine department absolutely ready to go as far as having a large medical team and being able to educate and consult with the medical community on this. Yamahshita has ZERO experience in that area. The radio-medicine department deals with both the cancer treatment/radio treatment side of things and dealing with exposure issues etc. You seem to forget this is a country with the unique experience of having 2 nuclear bombs dropped on them. They have the medical experience to deal with issues. The wrong person is running things and making an epic mess.
by lillymunster 8/21/2011 7:52:17 PM

@rbeaner @RadioGuy @lillymunster www.nap.edu
by elainekirk 8/21/2011 7:52:25 PM

@elainekirk Shunichi Yamashita, MD, PhD. Dean

Nagasaki University Graduate School of Biomedical Sciences was established on April 1, 2002. During the past seven years, a number of excellent students joined this course and studied under our highly sophisticated curriculum. The students have been engaged in a variety of themes in the fields of basic medical sciences and applied medicine achieving outstanding research outcomes. Some of the accomplishments are even beginning to be published in internationally acclaimed journals.
by RBeaner 8/21/2011 7:53:41 PM

OK... must be off for a while. Don't eat any of that Nuclear Baloney!
by RadioGuy 8/21/2011 7:55:36 PM

@RBeaner he has spread his fame far and wide as you see
www-sdc.med.nagasaki-u.ac.jp

Human Health Risks to
Low-Level Radiation

A Half-Day Symposium
September 30, 2008
.
Should I spoil the surprise and tell you who the speaker is ????
The man is a turncoat lining his pocket at the expense of his own people
by elainekirk 8/21/2011 7:59:43 PM

@lillymunster Thyroid is the largest concern. I131 stopped nearly six months ago. It has a radiological half life of 8 days and a effective halflife of about 6 days. Anything these people (public) ate or breathed is gone. Radio assay or whole body counts will not give any info on the origional exposure they received. Their counts should have been done 5 months ago, but they weren't. If you are exposed to CO today due to a faulty furnace, it could affect your life. If you get Great medical treatment and testing within 12 hours, they may be able to detect that increased CO. If not, then you are left not knowing what the true effect of that CO was. After 24 hours, they can't tell you how much CO you were exposed to or even IF you were exposed to CO. But it probably was not beneficial.
by RBeaner 8/21/2011 8:02:26 PM

@RBeaner Cesium??? 30 year half- life...ingested and inhaled. I wish thyroid cancer was the only threat.
by LM 8/21/2011 8:12:33 PM

@RBeaner CO carbon monoxide ?
by Edano 8/21/2011 8:19:50 PM

@RBeaner 200 million becquerels per hour at the plant the past two weeks. Is this just staying there at the plant? (anyone?) What are they cleaning up around school yards? Sludge in waste treatment plants? Beef? Cesium-131 does not last 6 days does it? I think it's around for decades and can continue to damage body tissues (lungs, thyroid, kidneys). yes?
by Cryptococcus 8/21/2011 8:22:06 PM

Hi by the way. Sorry. Should have said hello. Sumimasen.
by Cryptococcus 8/21/2011 8:23:02 PM

@RBeaner thyroid is treatable if caught in time - not pleasant - possibly life limitting - but treatable-
DNA - cellular damage is not treatable - it is intergenerational
Why the hell does everybody who wants the nuke view to be considered rationally prattle on about the bloody thyroid ????? it stinks to high heaven it makes me think 'yeah why are they playing the thyroid card continually'
Give your point of view but for goodness sake if you want to talk risk let us talk ALL risks
by elainekirk 8/21/2011 8:23:54 PM

@Cryptococcus hi and welcome :)
by elainekirk 8/21/2011 8:24:33 PM

Domo arigato
by Cryptococcus 8/21/2011 8:24:54 PM

he spoke of iodine131.
by Edano 8/21/2011 8:25:41 PM

@Edano ty *looks up Iodine-131
by Cryptococcus 8/21/2011 8:27:00 PM

@Edano this is what stinks - the focussing on thyroid/iodine it is PR at the next level they are throwing a blanket over the risks
by elainekirk 8/21/2011 8:27:56 PM

@elainekirk If all you talk about is thyroid disorders things sound rather rosy, get your thyroid removed and take some meds. The more serious problems like bone, lung, liver and other cancers that are less common but far more serious get brushed under the rug. Even if the rates are low who wants to be "that person" who ends up being that small percentage that get a much nastier outcome.
Something else that never seems to get brought up is how problematic thyroid disorders can be. They can cause all kinds of medical problems and leave people struggling with a laundry list additional problems.
by lillymunster 8/21/2011 8:28:45 PM

Where is list of all radionuclides found in gov and layperson testing? They cannot test for everything, right? Plutonium...um? Strontium? Is this the big problem? We don't know? By the way, so many people now taking synthroid (after having thyroid removed). I should find the stats on that.
by Cryptococcus 8/21/2011 8:30:43 PM

@Cryptococcus fukushima.physikblog.eu
www.nsc.go.jp
"Estimated amount of radioactive material released into the atmosphere over the time period covered by the analysis (Bq)"
the right column is the sum of all reactors, left column half life.
by Edano via Fukushima.physikblog.eu 8/21/2011 8:31:32 PM

Thyroid problems don't end with getting so-called treatment (ablation of thyroid and drugs taken for rest of life). Often thyroid is up and down and causes a lot of trouble. Ah! thank you Edano san. Wish that was in English too.
by Cryptococcus 8/21/2011 8:32:09 PM

@Cryptococcus don't need japanese:
"Estimated amount of radioactive material released into the atmosphere over the time period covered by the analysis (Bq)"
the right column is the sum of all reactors, left column half life.
by Edano 8/21/2011 8:33:31 PM

@lillymunster I'm going off shift for posting....LOL But yes the thyroid in children is the largest effect of internally deposited radioactivity. That is a completely Preventable disaster if they employed KI early enough. Edano... What is the average or normal incidence of cancer?
by RBeaner 8/21/2011 8:49:43 PM

@Edano Thanks for posting the breakdown...a truly frightening list. Proof that there's a lot more to worry about than I 131..not that all of us didn't already know that.
by LM 8/21/2011 8:50:31 PM

@elainekirk They prattle on about the thyroid because that is, and has been, to my relatively well known understanding, the ONLY effect of low level radiation. The genetic effect in humans has been much lower than origionally expected.
by RBeaner 8/21/2011 8:54:26 PM

www.encognitive.com
www.google.de
by Edano via Encognitive 8/21/2011 8:56:46 PM

@Edano So the normal incidence of human cancer is what?
by RBeaner 8/21/2011 8:57:13 PM

@RBeaner How can you state that as fact?
by LM 8/21/2011 8:57:20 PM

@RBeaner this differs in every country.
by Edano 8/21/2011 8:57:51 PM

@LM Which "fact" in particular?
by RBeaner 8/21/2011 8:58:26 PM

@Edano Yes it differs, but what are the "norms" in industrialised countries?
by RBeaner 8/21/2011 8:59:14 PM

@RBeaner The only effect of low level radiation is on the thyroid. Are you a scientist yourself?
by LM 8/21/2011 8:59:28 PM

@RBeaner Has there been a study of chronic cesium, strontium and plutonium exposure? And when I say chronic I mean constant exposure for months to years...
by LM 8/21/2011 9:01:18 PM

@RBeaner i have no idea. but i know that every third death in japan is caused by cancer, it is the main death cause in japan, and that this is higher than in other countries.
by Edano 8/21/2011 9:02:09 PM

@LM Thats not what I am saying, and I am not a scientist. Studies of Chernobyl showed a great efffect on kids from I131 and the thyroid, and much less effect on adults. I beleive those studies, cause lots of people in the world are exposed to a higher background than Chernobyl.
by RBeaner 8/21/2011 9:02:55 PM

@RBeaner You can't actually compare Fuku to Chernobyl in this regard. The Russians actually managed to get a handle on the chronic low level emissions. We're over 5 months out with 4 meltdowns churning out all sorts of radiation. We don't have enough info to say the only low level rad exposure threat is thyroid cancer. Besides....the children of Belarus have a lot more problems than thyroid cancer. All sorts of genetic and developmental problems have popped up.
by LM 8/21/2011 9:07:08 PM

@Edano So 33% of Deaths (in Japan) are caused by cancer, and generally accepted studies say there will be a 1% increase in cancer per 100 mSv. So if all exposed to 100 mSv, instead of 33 cancers, there will be 34.... How about some risk assessment that involves normal lives and activities.
by RBeaner 8/21/2011 9:08:23 PM

@LM I need to find the study someone dug up about a month ago. It cite cases of Japanese nuclear workers that contracted cancer but their rad exposure was below the max limits. They all were awarded work related injury compensation. There was enough evidence to satisfy the courts (not an easy thing to do) that their cancers were tied to their work exposures that were below the old Japanese limit of 100 mSv. The workers were younger too.

by lillymunster 8/21/2011 9:09:43 PM

@RBeaner other studies on iodine 131 and thyroid state that there is a higher risk among children to contract thyroid cancer than adults. That doesn't mean adults don't get it, just at lower rates than children. Don't read things into studies that are not there. One group having a higher rate doesn't mean the other group has an immunity.
by lillymunster 8/21/2011 9:11:19 PM

@lillymunster I read that article, it was BS feel bad for the victim stuff. There was no science involved, as I recall.
by RBeaner 8/21/2011 9:11:42 PM

@lillymunster The studies I read, Identified thyroidcancer in children as a Statistical effect. When they go0t above 18, there was no longer a statistical effect. The effect decreased with age.
by RBeaner 8/21/2011 9:15:09 PM

@Cryptococcus There is also a slight increase in thyroid disorders and cancers that coincides with the known band of fallout from the Nevada nuclear tests. The band is states away from the test zone.
Your question about other isotopes, yes others exist. TEPCO and GoJ have been slow to test for others. Part of the excuse is it is more complicated to test for those others. It is very important to know stronium, plutonium, americium levels and locations of concentrations since those are very toxic. The amounts will likely be smaller than the levels of cesium but since they are much nastier avoiding them is important part of proper exposure mitigation.
by lillymunster 8/21/2011 9:15:45 PM